Kyle Dubas discussion

[fahad203]

Well Chicago moved both players that were mentioned on their end and the leafs moved none of pieces in question…

Dubas knows who leaked it. People dont' just accuse someone of something without being sure, especially someone like Dubas

There is a rule of engagement, Davidson felt he needed to leak that

 

[nsleaf]

I'm almost the same as you in that regard. I want a good team that I can enjoy watching and has a chance year after year but I also want to win a playoff round or two every now and then and the fact that we haven't won even one damn round yet is what bugs the crap out of me. I mean Sharks sure, I get what you mean that they never won the cup but they won a round every now and then, even made it to the finals once IIRC so we're nowhere close to even their level yet. I get that it's still early and we're in a tough division (though that wasn't an issue in the last two playoff failures) but man, the fact that Matthews can leave in two years makes me nervous.

I agree completely about the contracts - Nylander I expect to push and Matthews ... well hopefully he'll settle for being the highest paid player in the NHL and won't push for getting like 3 million more than anyone else or whatever ... really hope that the fact that Dubas has been such a nice guy to the players will count for something or that Matthews will feel like he has unfinished business here.


Saying that these two recent trades Dubas made are the two best deals anyone in the NHL has made this season has hyperbole and extreme homerism written all over it. But if you think that's the truth, you are of course entitled to that opinion.

Pretty sure poster was referring to deadline day, not the whole season.
But of course you are entitled.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Pretty sure poster was referring to deadline day, not the whole season.
But of course you are entitled.

You're right, I misread the post. My bad.

Edit - I take it back, my bad for trusting what you said. If you go back to where the discussion started, the original post I took issue with and quoted had this to say:


Despite making two of the best deals of the year (Ritchie trade and Gio trade),


So no, you were mistaken. He clearly wasn't just referring to TDL deals.

 

[GoonieFace]

Agents don't know the details unless they are told them. Comes back to Davidson.

Of course they do, if their client is potentially being traded, of course they would know.

 

[zeke]

Dubas knows who leaked it. People dont' just accuse someone of something without being sure, especially someone like Dubas

There is a rule of engagement, Davidson felt he needed to leak that

to be fair, it probably wasn't Davidson, but it's still Davidson's responsibility to keep a tight ship.

if Davidson is smart he'll fire the leaker. that's not a guy you can trust. that organization is probably still littered with schmucks that need replacing.

 

[ShaneFalco]

His resume will start with "4 first round exits in 4 years at the helm of the Toronto Maple Leafs". Teams may be interested, but falling over themselves to get him, I severely doubt it. Might be wise to stay away from Budget teams.

And failure to make adjustments in playoffs
And he's starting early this year with the 2nd line

 

[Nylanderthal]

Losing to Boston I can chew on. They wre a very good team, we were a very young team

Losing to Columbus and Montreal. Unless Keefe wins a Stanly Cup, I'll never forgive him Especially playing Montreal and North. You couldn't have a path to Stanly Cup set any easier. Yet you blew it

The Columbus thing is highly overrated imo. They were tied with us in the standings & to be honest the whole bubble summer tourney felt weird and a number of good teams got bounced in the play in round.
Montreal is inexcusable and if they haven’t shown growth from that fat L this upcoming post season then all bets are off.

 

[Machinae]

The Columbus thing is highly overrated imo. They were tied with us in the standings & to be honest the whole bubble summer tourney felt weird and a number of good teams got bounced in the play in round.
Montreal is inexcusable and if they haven’t shown growth from they then all bets are off.

The Montreal loss is very very hard to swallow and has made watching this team very unenjoyable.

With that said, Montreal beat two other good teams and went to the finals. It keeps coming back to excuses but the Leafs just keep running into hot goalies, injuries/suspensions to key veterans, and officiating that does not lend itself to their style of play.. but they keep going the distance in the series' that they play in despite that.

 

[Nylanderthal]

The Montreal loss is very very hard to swallow and has made watching this team very unenjoyable.

With that said, Montreal beat two other good teams and went to the finals. It keeps coming back to excuses but the Leafs just keep running into hot goalies, injuries/suspensions to key veterans, and officiating that does not lend itself to their style of play.. but they keep going the distance in the series' that they play in despite that.

I agree with you 100%

 

[A1LeafNation]

Of course they do, if their client is potentially being traded, of course they would know.

All they need to know is if that player would waive to go to a certain team.

They do not need to know specifics of the trade.

The fact that Toronto rejected the offer makes me wonder why Alan Walsh was a part of the conversation to begin with...

 

[ChazzMichaelMichaels]

Why not exactly?

There are plenty of reasons why players wouldn't want to be here.

Auston loves the Coyotes as any Torontonians love the Leafs. There are other cities players would love to play

If he goes to the Rangers, he'll be treated like god in NY and the lifestyle in NY is just something else
He can easily go to California, I mean that's where he's orginally from

He can go to Tampa, players rave about living in Tampa and MIami

There are a lot Canadians' love living in the states and playing for American teams. Rick Nash never wanted to move to Canada, Brent Burns has a nice barn he lives off in Texas

Yah but ... We got the Biebs so BAM, trump card ... you think were wearing a Bieber jersey next game for nothing?

 

[Sypher04]

The issue with the Auston will leave comments are the way they are usually framed.

Is it possible he might? Yes. Is there anything specifically that can be used to infer he’s going to? No.

I’ll also put out there that is much more likely he stays than goes, based on historical precedent with players of his ilk

 

[The Iceman]

When I sign in to access my Avaya Cloud Office telephone system each morning I get to view the Dubas lookalike. Most of my co-workers are not hockey fans so when I ask if it looks like Dubas I get blank stares LOL.

 

[New User Name]

If the Leafs lose in the first round again they all should be gone. Shanny (who I never did like) Kyle and Keefe.

If they win one round, let's have have a parade and then fire them all.

 

[New User Name]

I am so nasty. I really think if the Leafs win one round and then lose in the second round someone should seriously arrange a Downtown Toronto parade to celebrate. It would be world wide news. CNN. Fox, BBC etc. LOL

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

Who outside of MAF would you like that is truly an upgrade?

I had said Forsberg a few days ago. Cheaper and is doing a lot better on a worse team

 

[Strangle]

This is nonsense, they wouldn’t put a priority on bringing in guys like that then neuter them. Maybe these “tough guys” on others teams shift in and out just aren’t what you think they are compared to highlight packs you get on sportscentre

I’m not sure, man. There was a quote from keefe recently that made a lot of sense to the play of the grittier leafs when you kinda read between the lines.

Here is the play:



And here is Keefe’s response to the team’s reaction:

“It can go both ways for me. I think there is a symbolic part of it, where you're staying together and all that. But you can say whatever you want to Tom Wilson – it’s not going to change a single thing about how he plays or what he does,” Keefe said Wednesday. “So, I don't know if it's worth really engaging it.

“There's a certain number of guys that it doesn't matter. Just like, in a different way, it doesn't matter what you say or do to Michael Bunting – you're not going to change how he plays.

“So you can pretend that it’s going to make a difference, but it's not going to make a difference. If I have my choice, I'd rather just keep playing. Play harder. Be more competitive when the puck drops.”

What does that make you think the message to the team overall is? Kind of sounds like this is how Keefe is coaching them. Ignore it, just play on

“So, I don’t know if it’s really worth engaging in it”

“You can pretend it’s going to make a difference, but it’s not going to make a difference”

“I’d rather just keep playing”

Reading between the lines here, I think Keefe is telling his team to not fight back

 

[The Masters]

So do we just stick with him until he retires due to the fact he's guaranteed to win cups everywhere else he goes?

no need to be smart.
I actually think his moves have made sense, they just havent worked out as good as he hoped.

 

[Dreakmur]

The Columbus thing is highly overrated imo. They were tied with us in the standings & to be honest the whole bubble summer tourney felt weird and a number of good teams got bounced in the play in round.
Montreal is inexcusable and if they haven’t shown growth from that fat L this upcoming post season then all bets are off.

What about the slow start being all Babcock’s fault and the team being on pace for 100+ points under Keefe? That’s not a thing anymore?

 

[Nylanderthal]

What about the slow start being all Babcock’s fault and the team being on pace for 100+ points under Keefe? That’s not a thing anymore?

Of course it is, both Columbus and Toronto were pacing to both finish with over 98 points. Babcock had the leafs headed towards 80-81

 

[budzz]

Kinda getting tired of "if the Leafs don't make it out of round one again" talk, over and over. Tampa had their struggles early. Avalanche have had their share, although they've won a few rounds. Whatever. Boston and Washington we were underdogs, went to 7. Columbus was an even match. Montreal... ok I get it, but that matchup scared me from minute one. All bets are off against Montreal or Ottawa, games are always tight. Tampa was swept by Columbus FFS. It happens.

Let's let it play out and see what happens. This is a very good team, just need to get hot at the right time. I am anxious to see how GIO settles the whole defense after settling in and finding pairings that work.

 

[Dreakmur]

Of course it is, both Columbus and Toronto were pacing to both finish with over 98 points. Babcock had the leafs headed towards 80-81

You can’t have it both ways…. Either the team was equal to Columbus or we were elite under Keefe.

 

[Dreakmur]

Kinda getting tired of "if the Leafs don't make it out of round one again" talk, over and over. Tampa had their struggles early. Avalanche have had their share, although they've won a few rounds. Whatever. Boston and Washington we were underdogs, went to 7. Columbus was an even match. Montreal... ok I get it, but that matchup scared me from minute one. All bets are off against Montreal or Ottawa, games are always tight. Tampa was swept by Columbus FFS. It happens.

Let's let it play out and see what happens. This is a very good team, just need to get hot at the right time. I am anxious to see how GIO settles the whole defense after settling in and finding pairings that work.

Columbus was not an even match, regardless of the standings. Not one person here thinks the Leafs were a borderline playoff team that year. People here were talking sweep before the series started.

 

[ChazzMichaelMichaels]

Seems like Dubas is being a bit of a baby here. Agents know there are trade talks so it could have been leaked by anyone. For Dubas to come out and name names is pretty lame

Fans: "Dubas is too nice"

Dubas: *shows some bite*

Also fans: "Dubas is being a bit of a baby here"

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

I like the Rangers adds (but tbh offhand can't remember the price they paid), but I think the Avs adds were pretty meh tbh.

But generally I think both those teams added Blackwell level guys not Gio level guys.

Agreed it wasn't a homerun for Dubas and a good goalie would have been nice....then again I'm not sure a Fleury or Kahkonen would have been much of an upgrade tbh.

Adding Manson to an already stacked defense is pretty big for them. Especially the physicality he will bring to their lineup. Adding Lehkonen and Cogliano were very solid adds to bolster the bottom 6. I thought those were excellent playoffs moves. Colgliano is a warrior and brings a ton of leadership.