Kyle Dubas discussion

[RebuildYear5]

Well we all get opinions, thats what a message board is for. D looks better to me over Hutton and Letonen. How much a dive can we really take from a goalie that can't win a playoff round? Another goalie that can't win a round? I don't mean any disrespect to Freddie but you gotta move on.

Look at Andersen's numbers last playoffs what more could you ask for, and Campbell has a month to get fully recovered to play 16 straight games of the hardest hockey he has yet to play...keeping our fingers crossed he doesnt tweak somthing again.....also we had Andersen & Campbell lastyear....
Now were left with Mrazek(how do you sleep at night)

Oooo and when we lose in the 1st round this year and Andersen gets his team in the second round...what's gonna be the excuse then?

 

[zeke]

Sorry to burst your bubble but we didnt upgrade at all on defense from last year and even if we did it's so small you won't notice anything different.....

i think everyone will agree that Giordano is a substantial upgrade on Dermott.

but what you will notice is we took a dive in net, only 1man we can rely on and he's currently injured atm with only a month left in the season.

Playoffs are a good 6 weeks away, and a cracked rib while painful will heal much quicker than that.

Cherry on top we downgraded offense aswell lol

How do you figure?

 

[Ciao]

I'm not the biggest Dubas guy out there, but I think their most obvious path to success is actually more of an organizational status quo approach, because the big picture isn't 2020, 2021 or 2022. It's more like 2016-2032 or something like that.

Once they successfully navigate the Matthews and Marner re-signings in a few years, let some of the big pre-pandemic flat cap salaries fall by the way side, continue a responsible stewardship of the prospect pool, I think that will unlock the next phase of the window of contention, to say nothing of the possibility that they win in 2022, 2023 or 2024. And the key is to just hang around long enough for those percentage to play out, for more building and evolution to happen. We have some special pieces, but it takes time to find the right combination of supporting cast.

Just look at the time horizons of other contenders. Tampa's foundations were originally laid back in 2008 and 2009. Boston's Bergeron/Marchand core was largely drafted and assembled between 2003 and 2006. Even Florida's Huberdeau, Barkov, Ekblad predates the Matthews era.

A client of mine was in the restaurant business. He owned a few.

He would never own a restaurant without a ten-year lease with at least another ten-year right of renewal.

Some of his restaurants failed -- that was a risk he was willing and able to take -- but most of them succeeded, and he knew the importance of patience, perseverance and longevity in building a successful business.

I don't really know much about business or hockey, but I do wonder if the same principle applies?

 

[colchar]

It isn't really possible to fire a spreadsheet.

It is when 'Spreadsheet' is a nickname.

 

[Leaf Fans]

It is when 'Spreadsheet' is a nickname.

I guess it would be.

 

[Squiffy]

Look at Andersen's numbers last playoffs what more could you ask for, and Campbell has a month to get fully recovered to play 16 straight games of the hardest hockey he has yet to play...keeping our fingers crossed he doesnt tweak somthing again.....also we had Andersen & Campbell lastyear....
Now were left with Mrazek(how do you sleep at night)

Oooo and when we lose in the 1st round this year and Andersen gets his team in the second round...what's gonna be the excuse then?

"This year is different"

 

[zeke]

It is when 'Spreadsheet' is a nickname.

Great nickname

 

[Ciao]

As far as I know, the Stanley Cup hasn’t been awarded yet, and the Leafs' chances are pretty much as good as anyone's.

If they should happen to lose, they will be just one of 31 teams, each for their own reasons all in the same boat!

 

[Leaf Fans]

i think everyone will agree that Giordano is a substantial upgrade on Dermott.


Playoffs are a good 6 weeks away, and a cracked rib while painful will heal much quicker than that.


How do you figure?

Leafs were the only team to add a Norris Trophy winner.

 

[Squiffy]

Look at Andersen's numbers last playoffs what more could you ask for, and Campbell has a month to get fully recovered to play 16 straight games of the hardest hockey he has yet to play...keeping our fingers crossed he doesnt tweak somthing again.....also we had Andersen & Campbell lastyear....
Now were left with Mrazek(how do you sleep at night)

Oooo and when we lose in the 1st round this year and Andersen gets his team in the second round...what's gonna be the excuse then?

Andresson just never stole a game. No, its not his fault, not at all. Probably won't be Jack or Peter's fault this year either if it goes south. Core shows up and Leafs, we win. Core shows up and Leafies, lose.

 

[justloveleafs]

Myself? Well, I am impressed that he didn't capitulate to trading anything over meaningful to add MAF.

MAF would have been cool from my vantage point, but I obviously, did not judge how seriously, MLSE, Dubas, and the locker room judge Jack Campbell.

Obviously, the wild card from here on out, is Jack Campbell.

I trade stocks and can be sometimes harsh on stocks, that I feel should be shuffled out of the deck.

Apparently, Jack Campbell is well regarded, and felt to be a force in the playoffs.

Nothing, and I mean nothing would be cooler than seeing a guy like the Soupster, pull something big off. Apart from Johnny Bower, never seen or heard a Leaf, as deep as this cat.

I have to admit, I was starting to put him in the Mrazek category of, ....well you know. but apparently, he got a huge thumbs up from management and the locker room today.

Kudo's to Dubas for not taking one of his prize prospects and turning them into tdl cannon fodder. Truly, well done Kyle.

I do think this though, I think it would be great to see, Kyle inject some newbie, into the lineup, for a playoff matchup shakeup.

If he thinks Knies has the stones to handle it, might just be him. The crowd, la molle, the colisseum, of course, me included would love it.

Giordano and Bunting part two, Blackwell, are great pickups. Didn't break any banks, but good to see the Kraken get some well deserved value, we can call upon them again.

Very quietly, Dubas, has built a team, that has some snarl now.
AND, signing this guy who just recently won a gold medal, brilliant move, full on head scratcher.

Look at the guys numbers, he could have even Jon Cooper going wtf?

I hope the Leafs never fire Dubas, I really think the guy knows what most of us don't most of the time. And heck, we know everyting on this board, don't we? Just ask us.

 

[Leaf Fans]

"This year is different"

Yes, every year is.

 

[Tak7]

He’s gone if they lose in the first round. It’s his coach, his team, he wears it. Only a loser organization keeps accepting embarrassment year after year, he’s had his bullets. I’ll leave his own words to start this season:

“That can only be achieved in the playoffs. When we don’t reach that in the playoffs, I think you have to be very realistic and objective in saying you fell short.” But he didn’t stop there, adding, “it is certainly fair to say that if there aren’t changes in our performance, in the end, there will be changes to the organization. I think that comes with the territory of operating in a market like this and operating with a team that hasn’t reached its potential in the playoffs thus far.”

It's all speculation.

You don't know any better than I do what their internal thought process is. Any amount of repeating yourself won't change that, but carry on

 

[Strangle]

Yeah and I doubt Clifford wouldn’t do it. He was probably told not to fight or engage. Similar to how Muzzin was turned into a marshmellow, as well as everyone who came here. I am super disappointed they couldn’t make Ritchie work. He would of been fantastic for the leafs in the playoffs. Since he’s gone to Arizona he’s been pretty good too. No idea how they can’t make grit work here

This does seem to be a coaching/philosophy issue.

The players seem to be being instructed not to play physical

 

[janesy12]

This team lives and dies with the big 4, so not many deadline moves would have made a difference. If they falter (see last year), then this team barely makes it to game 5 against Tampa. My concern right now is the only goaltender that's given us even league average goaltending since the beginning of 2022 is a 25 year old rookie with 3 NHL starts to his name. If Campbell continues his 2022 trend none of this matters anyway.

It's not like we had oodles of cap space to bring in MAF or Giroux anyway (even if they were willing to come here, which they weren't).

 

[The Podium]

What a terrible analogy, I recall watching them the last three years after we lost in the first round.

Unltimately the Avs fail to meet expectations and have their own hurdle, albeit in round 2 vs 1. But the comparison is still apt.

 

[ChazzMichaelMichaels]

Said this in the other thread but might be better placed here:

Giordano
Brodie
Muzzin
Holl
Sandin
Lybushkin


Man, Dubas has really brought in a nasty blueline.

In the matter of a few short years that's a huge difference from the Hainsey (although he was decent), Zaitsev, Polak, Hunwick, etc.

 

[janesy12]

Unltimately the Avs fail to meet expectations and have their own hurdle, albeit in round 2 vs 1. But the comparison is still apt.

Similar, but not as embarrassing. It's hard not to laugh about it all. 0 series wins since the 2004-2005 lockout. 18 years. I'm 34 years old, more than half of my life I've never seen them in the 2nd round of the playoffs.

The Habs making it all the way to the Cup finals last year when they barely made the playoffs was icing on the cake. Something the Leafs haven't done in 55 years....they accomplished on a whim.

 

[The Podium]

I don't care about the Islanders. Not many people do. Why's your boy Kyle taking us back in the standings? As you keep telling us, he's the best at absolutely everything. How are we tied (with a game in hand) with the over the hill Bruins? Tell me some expected nonsense per 60 to cheer me up.

Why is it “tied with over the hill Bruins” and not “1 point back of back to back Stanley cup champions”?

What happened to “regular season doesn’t matter, show me playoffs”?

 

[Leafsfan74]

Said this in the other thread but might be better placed here:

Giordano
Brodie
Muzzin
Holl
Sandin
Lybushkin


Man, Dubas has really brought in a nasty blueline.

In the matter of a few short years that's a huge difference from the Hainsey (although he was decent), Zaitsev, Polak, Hunwick, etc.

This is the point I have been making this year. It's on the core now to lead. The team has a strong defense and other teams know it.

Mario Lemeiux was drafted by the worst team in hockey when the Penguins picked him in 1984. He lead the worst team to back to back Cups in 6-7 years of him being in the league. It's time for the Core to step up when it matters most. I see Marner and Matthews taking the body more often now and it's an extremely promising in my opinion.

They have plenty of support now. As a team, they need to be willing to play two way hockey and battle hard for the puck, use their size. In essense, the type of hockey they have been playing over the last couple of weeks or so. If they continue this, it will be other teams who will not want to face the Leafs who will have finally combined top talent with strong sacrifice.

 

[The Podium]

Sorry to burst your bubble but we didnt upgrade at all on defense from last year and even if we did it's so small you won't notice anything different.....but what you will notice is we took a dive in net, only 1man we can rely on and he's currently injured atm with only a month left in the season.

Cherry on top we downgraded offense aswell lol

Worst part of it all, we couldn't close out the series on Montreal for our captain and Kyle expects this downgraded squad to make a difference...we had all the momentum and every reason to win and still flopped like a fish.

At the end of the day its years wasted on our prime players contracts, and draft picks tossed away every year in the same fashion...only to end up with a squad with more holes in it then when he started.

Can we pick one or the other, full rebuild or send it and go full tilt for 2years if we get nothing done blow it up just like buddy did with Lowry and DeRozan for the Raptors...our management is falling into the same old trap.

We have the best prospect groupe in a long time, possibly the best and were just burning years away

Reilly - Bush
Gio - Brodie
Muzzin - Sandin/Holl/Lilly

Isn’t better than

Rielly - Brodie
Muzzin - Holl
Sandin - Dermott

And then consider Muzzin got hurt in game 1 or 2. Literally 2 or 3 of the bottom 3 won’t even be in the lineup since they’ve been upgraded on.

Also how did they downgrade the offense? Hyman, Thornton and Foligno out for Bunting, Kase and Kampf seems like a huge upgrade to me. Not to mention Tavares will likely play more than 3 minutes.

Look at Andersen's numbers last playoffs what more could you ask for, and Campbell has a month to get fully recovered to play 16 straight games of the hardest hockey he has yet to play...keeping our fingers crossed he doesnt tweak somthing again.....also we had Andersen & Campbell lastyear....
Now were left with Mrazek(how do you sleep at night)

Oooo and when we lose in the 1st round this year and Andersen gets his team in the second round...what's gonna be the excuse then?

Andersen is 0-8 in career playoff clinching games spanning both the Leafs and Ducks. He may get to the second round but it’ll be a new personal accomplishment for him.

 

[ACC1224]

Said this in the other thread but might be better placed here:

Giordano
Brodie
Muzzin
Holl
Sandin
Lybushkin


Man, Dubas has really brought in a nasty blueline.

In the matter of a few short years that's a huge difference from the Hainsey (although he was decent), Zaitsev, Polak, Hunwick, etc.

Nasty??

 

[ChazzMichaelMichaels]

This is the point I have been making this year. It's on the core now to lead. The team has a strong defense and other teams know it.

Mario Lemeiux was drafted by the worst team in hockey when the Penguins picked him in 1984. He lead the worst team to back to back Cups in 6-7 years of him being in the league. It's time for the Core to step up when it matters most. I see Marner and Matthews taking the body more often now and it's an extremely promising in my opinion.

They have plenty of support now. As a team, they need to be willing to play two way hockey and battle hard for the puck, use their size. In essense, the type of hockey they have been playing over the last couple of weeks or so. If they continue this, it will be other teams who will not want to face the Leafs who will have finally combined top talent with strong sacrifice.

I love how it's going to be 3 pairs with experience vs top competition. If a pair gets stuck out vs a top line they won't have to worry too much. It's also a rangy group that's much more physical than past iterations. Definitely a reason to be excited.

If we can just get some saves it really is quite the team.

 

[ChazzMichaelMichaels]

Nasty??

You don't think that's a strong blueline?

 

[ACC1224]

You don't think that's a strong blueline?

Laughing at the ‘nasty’ description. About as nasty as a s’more.