Kyle Dubas discussion

[Dreakmur]

I think Kyle Dubas is a very good GM.

I think our next GM will be much worse.

I unfortunately don't see us getting out of round 1, and that likely spells the end for Shanahan, Dubas and company.

Damn shame.

I’m not sure how much had to do with Dubas specifically, but the leafs have put together a lot of food infrastructure over the last 5-6 years. That should hold for another 5 even without replenishment. Hopefully the owners have seen true benefits of investing into the development and analytics side of things, and that is here to stay.

Assuming the next guy uses the tools at his disposal, I’m not sure he can’t build upon and improve what Dubas did.

 

[tony135420]

Just saw the presser. Dubas is delusional.

What is he delusional about?

 

[Scion]

I give Dubas alot of credit for not mortgaging the future to save his job, a lot of other managers would have in the same position.

 

[HolyCrap]

Dubas needs to be held accountable no doubt. I’m not a hater I like some things he’s done but I have felt personally, the team isn’t built right. I was right the last couple years in the post season. This year will be even tougher but I really hope this team finally figures it out. If they go down in the first round again we need new management including Shanahan who seems fine with the build. Or maybe it’s coming from the owners themselves who want this type of team? Not sure why some Leafs fans are so blindly in love with him.

 

[colchar]

So he did nothing to address their most glaring need? At least this guarantees an early exit and that Spreadsheet gets fired.

 

[KuleminFan41]

That again isn’t what I’m saying at all, but continue to be obtuse. Why be a fan of something you hate and don’t gain enjoyment from? Is life so crappy you come here to spew negatively endlessly?
This team is 6th overall, 1st in pp 6th in pk 1st in face off and like dead last in every important goalie metric since about mid December.
They’re a hot goalie run away from being a legit cup contender. Their best players are 25 years old and their biggest liability is a 2 way ppg C who’s 60% in the face off dot. Oh ya, his contract only has 3 years after this one.

The Leafs are 8th overall in the league and only are up by 2-3 points on the 2 teams behind them for the wild card, which makes a huge difference. You can go from playing Tampa to Carolina in the first round. Just by judging how our scoring has dried up in important games, I don't think "hot goaltending" will save them against a Carolina team that literally beat us with a Zamboni driver as their goalie. I think you're glossing over some real issues here, the Leafs do not have a goalie that's capable of "getting hot" and carrying this team to a series win, let alone a stanley cup. I mean, I hope so but I've lost faith in Campbell and doing well in short bursts does not mean he's a proven #1 goalie

 

[57 Years No Cup]

What did he say? Any particular highlights?

Basically just "we believe in this core" and Jack Campbell nonsense.

Hope is for religions and church. Not NHL Hockey teams.

 

[Lemontree]

Spent multiple 2nd rounders for a roster upgrade, problem is the team status of not being good enough to win a cup stayed the same. Dubas has once again failed to build an elite team, if the only goal is to win a championship, fire Dubas this off-season. He has proved he has no idea how to take a good team and make it better.

 

[capfit9]

all i know watching the presser, he’s not happy or friends with kyle davidson

 

[Lightsol]

I’m not sure how much had to do with Dubas specifically, but the leafs have put together a lot of food infrastructure over the last 5-6 years. That should hold for another 5 even without replenishment. Hopefully the owners have seen true benefits of investing into the development and analytics side of things, and that is here to stay.

Assuming the next guy uses the tools at his disposal, I’m not sure he can’t build upon and improve what Dubas did.

Guarantee the next GM is a Good "Ol Boy, because that'll be how the Leafs roll. And we'll probably witness attempt #5 at trying to recreate the Over-The-Hill Gang, followed by another decade of floundering at the bottom of the standings when Mathews leaves.

 

[Scion]

I think Kyle Dubas is a very good GM.

I think our next GM will be much worse.

I unfortunately don't see us getting out of round 1, and that likely spells the end for Shanahan, Dubas and company.

Damn shame.

There is no guarantee that the new regime is better, but if the Leafs bow out in round one for the 5th consecutive year it's going to be awfully hard to classify any changes as a shame. Frankly, as much as I like some of the things Dubas has done he has failed to manage the cap effectively and complement our core with the types of players that are needed to win in the playoffs.

I suspect that Dubas is one of those guys that is good at building a core, but not effective at pushing it over the edge. The Leafs best bet may be to hire a Jim Rutherford type for a few years.

 

[Suntouchable13]

At the end of the day, it is up to the core guys to carry this team. They have failed at that in the playoffs so far. If they can’t do that, why should I care if Matthews leaves? There was nothing out there that would move the needle enough. The core guys have not delivered in the clutch. I am fine with what Dubas did.

 

[Dreakmur]

Guarantee the next GM is a Good "Ol Boy, because that'll be how the Leafs roll. And we'll probably witness attempt #5 at trying to recreate the Over-The-Hill Gang, followed by another decade of floundering at the bottom of the standings when Mathews leaves.

And people think I’m the negative guy….

 

[AuraSphere]

If we lose playoffs because of goaltending - Dubas is gone

 

[tony135420]

Dubas needs to be held accountable no doubt. I’m not a hater I like some things he’s done but I have felt personally, the team isn’t built right. I was right the last couple years in the post season. This year will be even tougher but I really hope this team finally figures it out. If they go down in the first round again we need new management including Shanahan who seems fine with the build. Or maybe it’s coming from the owners themselves who want this type of team? Not sure why some Leafs fans are so blindly in love with him.

Interesting how if someone doesn't dump on Dubas, they are in love with him. He's made some very good moves and some very bad moves and several in between. He's made his bed in committing to this core, for better or worse, and his job surely hinges on how they perform in the playoffs. I for one, respect his commitment to his team, but like you said, if they go dumpster fire mode in the first round again or even past the first round, some hard questions need to be asked about this management team from shanny down.

 

[Racer88]

I think Kyle Dubas is a very good GM.

I think our next GM will be much worse.

I unfortunately don't see us getting out of round 1, and that likely spells the end for Shanahan, Dubas and company.

Damn shame.

If he was a good GM shouldn’t he be able to build a team that could at least get out of the first round

With the lack of desperation the Leafs showed at the deadline I'd almost bet money that Dubas has been guaranteed another year.

if he has been and they don’t get out of the first line then both he and Shanny should be fired

 

[Racer88]

If we lose playoffs because of goaltending - Dubas is gone

If they lose for any reason he should be fired. He built this team

 

[Fogelhund]

No matter what Dubas would have done, there would have been a certain portion of the fanbase who would be mad. Gave up too much, or didn't do enough... same people, same tired stuff.

The only real thing we could have used, was a goalie. Clearly Dubas didn't want to move the ask for Fleury, and I don't blame him. I wouldn't have wanted to move Knies and a 1st either.

I would have wanted a goalie though, and it didn't happen... I think we all are impatient, and want everything NOW. I might even agree, that the core hasn't show enough yet, to go fully in, and with the young players we've got, the prospects we've got coming, the additions on D we should have next year... the team is only getting better. The goaltending is of course a major question mark.

So, no matter the level of anxiety amongst Leafs fans, that doesn't affect what actually happens on the ice... now we sit back as the armchair GM, and the team is going to do what they will, or not. If they don't get past the first round, who knows what will happen... changes to coaching, changes to GM, changes to roster??

 

[fahad203]

If we lose playoffs because of goaltending - Dubas is gone

He should be done regardless. I mean he could get lucky and still win a series
but the fact he's leaving this to chance is what should be concerning

He had weeks to plan for this. It's not like goalies fell out of the cliff yesterday

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

The reason the Leafs look stronger is that Matthews, Marner and Nylander have come into their prime. They are carrying the team. Rielly is still the best Dman and the Leafs are weaker in goal.

Ya all that and the fact that our overall team defense is better and our defense core is better than what it was.

Rielly Lyubushkin
Giordano Brodie
Muzzin Liljegren/Holl

Is way better than

Rielly Hainsey
Gardiner Zaitsev
Dermott Polak

We don't give up nearly as many shots or scoring chances as we did back then

 

[notbias]

Basically just "we believe in this core" and Jack Campbell nonsense.

Hope is for religions and church. Not NHL Hockey teams.

Confirmed, Florida out first round due to goaltending.

 

[LeafsFan89]

Interesting how if someone doesn't dump on Dubas, they are in love with him. He's made some very good moves and some very bad moves and several in between. He's made his bed in committing to this core, for better or worse, and his job surely hinges on how they perform in the playoffs. I for one, respect his commitment to his team, but like you said, if they go dumpster fire mode in the first round again or even past the first round, some hard questions need to be asked about this management team from shanny down.

Do you blame him on not believing that Matthews, Marner, JT and Willy will produce in the playoffs? Four years ago, if you said these guys wouldn't produce in the playoffs, I would lol. Should give Willy credit as he does produce in the playoffs.

We could have Prime Price in net and we will lose if our big guns don't show up in the playoffs.

 

[fahad203]

No matter what Dubas would have done, there would have been a certain portion of the fanbase who would be mad. Gave up too much, or didn't do enough... same people, same tired stuff.

The only real thing we could have used, was a goalie. Clearly Dubas didn't want to move the ask for Fleury, and I don't blame him. I wouldn't have wanted to move Knies and a 1st either.

I would have wanted a goalie though, and it didn't happen... I think we all are impatient, and want everything NOW. I might even agree, that the core hasn't show enough yet, to go fully in, and with the young players we've got, the prospects we've got coming, the additions on D we should have next year... the team is only getting better. The goaltending is of course a major question mark.

So, no matter the level of anxiety amongst Leafs fans, that doesn't affect what actually happens on the ice... now we sit back as the armchair GM, and the team is going to do what they will, or not. If they don't get past the first round, who knows what will happen... changes to coaching, changes to GM, changes to roster??

No we wouldn't be. If he had done somethign to address his biggest need, nobody here would be upset

Leafs fan base is emotional and roudy but we are not stupid. He had to get a goalie. Simple has that. If he had paid big price, he would still be blamed. I mean he did put himself in this spot with Campbell and Mrazek. Those are both his goalies

But not to fix that issue is even bigger crime. He would have had to pay, but that's the price you pay when you completely f up your goalie situation

 

[fahad203]

Do you blame him on not believing that Matthews, Marner, JT and Willy will produce in the playoffs? Four years ago, if you said these guys wouldn't produce in the playoffs, I would lol. Should give Willy credit as he does produce in the playoffs.

We could have Prime Price in net and we will lose if our big guns don't show up in the playoffs.

Actually kind of not true. Considering we gave our goalies 3-1 series lead

Price would have one a game for you, which he did

 

[DANTHEMAN1967]

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The Leafs are 8th overall in the league and only are up by 2-3 points on the 2 teams behind them for the wild card, which makes a huge difference. You can go from playing Tampa to Carolina in the first round. Just by judging how our scoring has dried up in important games, I don't think "hot goaltending" will save them against a Carolina team that literally beat us with a Zamboni driver as their goalie. I think you're glossing over some real issues here, the Leafs do not have a goalie that's capable of "getting hot" and carrying this team to a series win, let alone a stanley cup. I mean, I hope so but I've lost faith in Campbell and doing well in short bursts does not mean he's a proven #1 goali

Don't forget Carolina has playoff Freddie in net.