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Tak7
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Thanks for the heads up.
Not expecting much more than what he gave at his presser, but always fun to listen to GMs on days like these past few.
binop7
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Nice to see Kyle with a little bee in his bonnet. Hopefully that travels down to the room and the boys stand up for each other for a change
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He's on now
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Kypreos spent 5 minutes praising Lou last hour.
They are about to miss the playoffs by 20 points and didn't offload a bunch.
Insane he's on radio still
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I love Kyp. He’s entertaining, even if I don’t agree. Change the channel?
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binop7
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Yeah I don't know. Hopefully Campbell comes back from his rib injury and can find his game
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Best D core we’ve had, kids maturing a factor as well. Forward group looks potent. Dubas is betting his career in Campbell coming back, it’s a giant if and let’s just hope it works out. He will be crucified if it doesn’t, a hero if it works out.
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Dubas still mentioning mrazek makes me think he's going to be our backup going into the playoffs
of course he is. Dubas was hoping someone would claim him by 2pm then he'll get another goalie
When he didn't, now we are back to original program, Mrazek backing up Campbell
Dubas and Shanahan’s biggest failure is that they have never done what they needed so the team could play a heavier game and beat the big, physical teams in the playoffs. Every one of their opponents know that they can’t match the Leafs skill but they can run them out of the building. It’s easier to build a team that is physical and tough to play against than win with pure skill the way Dubas wants them to. He was given the skill but never surrounded it with the type of players that they needed to win playoff series. They thought they were the Unicorns and never could see past that.
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DarkKnight
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That’s the realistic option, hoping this unknown keeps it up is a gamble for sure. He keeps mentioning Mrazuc’s long career, which to me is meaningless right now.
Curious though, what does workout mean to you?
Lets be honest, sure Campbell go on Binnington type of run. He can catch fire and just win it all
But as of today, the fact that you are betting on a mentally fragile goalie who has never been a starter since the day he was drafted, shows me you don't have it what it takes to be a GM
You don't have the guts to cut your losses. You didn't plan well enough or maybe you don't have the relationship in the league to pull things through
My other question, who had dip on Sateri? who was first on waivers ?
Why didn't he make a pre-claim deal. I am going to sign this player, he's going to go on waivers, can you please pick him up and send it to me for let's say 7th round in 2024?
Was that not possible?
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No chance, Dubas is no idiot. Kyle knows he would have a better chance winning a Powerball lottery than having someone claim Mr. Rebound and his $3.8M anchor for the next two seasons.
I have no problem with people having different viewpoints, but there are very clearly people on here that just complain to complain. Like was KD supposed to get a franchise goalie at the TDL? Do people actually think that is possible? Remember MAF has to agree to go to TOR as well, so before even suggesting that, think that one through as well.
I really don't know how anyone could look at this deadline as a complete failure. We got better, period. Maybe not as much as our direct competition, but we also paid by far the least and I'd argue going forward we have the brightest future of the bunch.
No matter what, we will be facing TB, FLA, BOS, or CAR in the first round and we are likely the underdog in every single one of those series.
what feasible trade did we miss out on that drastically improves our chances to get past that gauntlet? We are riding our horses that have got us here, and if we fail we will still have Robertson, Knies, Neimela, Abruzzese, Holmberg, and Steeves all on their ways in the coming years in addition to all of our 1st rounders.
Every other team contending in our division was content to mortgage their future. And guess what, between BOS, TB, and FLA only 1 of them can win it all, and maybe not even that. I think I am OK keeping our chips to stack the deck in years where the path to the end doesn't look so challenging.
Wouldn't it be hilarious to see TB, FLA, and BOS get rid of multiple 1st round selections only to be beat out by the Leafs in the playoffs? has anyone given consideration to that possibility? as unlikely as it may seem, it is still a possibility.
long term we will almost certainly win by this "inactivity"
It may not have been a grand slam deadline, but we didn't strike out by any means
Well if he's not an idiot then he really should have gotten another goalie
He had weeks to work on it. He can still get lucky with Campbell going on a tear but he would still be an idiot
Not sure Shanahan would have let him do that. He knows the writing is on the wall. Too many holes to fill and changes will be coming in the off season.
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I agree with you, hence the nervous feeling. Dubas is betting his GM job on a mentally fragile guy who was falling apart prior to the injury. It’s a bet, and I’m not sure it’s a great one.
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Dubas on 590 with Kypreos and Bourne:
- On establishing deadline targets: Spent the first 20 games evaluating his own team, and then narrowing focus on what types of players they wanted to acquire. Said they had interest in Giordano at that point. Blackwell and Lyubushkin interest goes back further before this season
- On working under the cap: He had more flexibility under the cap this year than in previous years. Didn't want to overspend and prevent injured players, including Muzzin, from returning to the roster. Thinks teams that made larger scale moves had guys who were out long term. Important for the team to bring Muzzin back and find great form.
- On Giordano: Didn't think specifically of fit with Brodie when acquiring Giordano. Wanted to give coaching staff multiple options and flexibility. Entirely up to Keefe on how to use him.
- On Giordano's age: he's been a top 4 for a very long time with Calgary and now with Seattle. Thinks he can do it here too - doesn't want team relying on one pair, but to build a group of 7 or more where responsibilities can be spread around. Knows that Rielly / Brodie & Muzzin / Holl work well already. Reiterates that priority was giving 7 or more guys that could be relied upon by coaches.
- On goaltending: Want the 2 established goaltenders to find their groove and play to their ability. Think Campbell's injury will be blessing in disguise - now gets good time with practice and goalie sessions. Really likes Jack's history of finding his groove again after difficult stretches. They need Petr to get back to work and find his feet again. Hard work in the gym and practice, find confidence, and put it back into play on the ice. Calls Kallgren a great story, and excited to see how he responds after the disappointment of Nashville. Says it's easy to believe in goalies when things are going well, but he still believes in them even though things haven't gone as well lately.
- On Harri Sateri waiver claim: since October 2018, we've had 11 players claimed on waivers. Next closest team has 6. Thinks there's something to playing in Toronto. Wasn't sure whether he would get through waivers or not, until this morning - spoke to Harri's agent who informed that he believed a number of teams would be putting in claims.
- On Matthew Knies: Minnesota is playing Friday night. Says focus is on making sure player enjoys the week and enjoying NCAA tournament. Hasn't discussed with him or family about the path forward. Once tournament concludes, as per standard, they will discuss with player and fam about their preferred path forward.
- On not wanting to move 1st / top prospects: admits that Matthew Knies name came up a few times over the past few days. Says you always think highly of your prospects, but that belief is reaffirmed when other teams are calling about that player.
- On Blackwell: Likes Colin's ability to be versatile and move around the lineup. Tenacious forecheck, strong work ethic. Really likes the fact that he brings all of those things + playing both special teams. Think he can make plays with the puck as well. Good combination of hard work & skill.
- On Kase's injury luck: Everytime you have player with that sort of injury history, you want to help them best you can. Thinks Kase's case is bad luck + how hard he plays every shift. Always puts himself into competitive positions, never takes a shift off. Doesn't think he will ever shy away from contact, but they are helping him with assessing and avoiding contact.
- On Robertson & Liljegren's usage: With Robertson, last stretch has been good to move him around all over the lineup and see where he is compared to when he came up similar time last year. Says player needs to get bigger and stronger, but thinks his playmaking and teamwork has really come along nicely. Has been a valuable measuring period. With Liljegren, has continually earned more opportunities. Thinks the mistakes are being minimized in his game, and praises a great performance against Carolina last week. Very happy with his progress.
- On LTIR usage putting teams over the cap: Can't speak for other teams, but says team's thought process with Muzzin was always to take cautious approach with his 2 concussions. Thought that Muzzin's playstyle + role/assignments would have made it very unfair to just drop Muzzin straight into the playoffs. Says he has missed 7 of the last 9 weeks, and didn't think it's fair to ask Muzzin to drop into the playoffs, cold.
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Every other team contending in our division was content to mortgage their future. And guess what, between BOS, TB, and FLA only 1 of them can win it all, and maybe not even that. I think I am OK keeping our chips to stack the deck in years where the path to the end doesn't look so challenging.
Not a single team mortgage their future. Just because you traded your 1st rounders doens't mean you mortaged your futures
1st rounders are not guranteed anything. Detroit Red Wings went years not having top talent being drafted in top rounds in mid 2000s
Starting 2001 - 2010 they absolutely no body that was a star from their 1st round picks
Boston maintained all their top prospects. Not a single one of them was gone. Lysell, Lohrei. Urho Vaakanainen was their Dermott. Very expendable
Florida. They kept Lundell and Knight. Tippett has been a super flop so far. They have a very young core. They dont' care about their 1st rounders nor should they
None of these teams mortgaged their futures. You don't need gazillion prospects in your system. You need handful and you build your team around them. All of these teams have them
Their future is now. So should ours be.
You are never going to find a player like Matthews for next 20 years then to have another player like Marner, Nylander on top of that some dude although he's being hated on Tavares who was the envy of every team not to long ago. Who once was a pernieal superstar
He's still a very good player. That's 4 very good stars in this league
You do all that, only to F it up by not getting good goaltending
Not a single team mortgage their future. Just because you traded your 1st rounders doens't mean you mortaged your futures
1st rounders are not guranteed anything. Detroit Red Wings went years not having top talent being drafted in top rounds in mid 2000s
Starting 2001 - 2010 they absolutely no body that was a star from their 1st round picks
Boston maintained all their top prospects. Not a single one of them was gone. Lysell, Lohrei. Urho Vaakanainen was their Dermott. Very expendable
Florida. They kept Lundell and Knight. Tippett has been a super flop so far. They have a very young core. They dont' care about their 1st rounders nor should they
None of these teams mortgaged their futures. You don't need gazillion prospects in your system. You need handful and you build your team around them. All of these teams have them
Their future is now. So should ours be.
You are never going to find a player like Matthews for next 20 years then to have another player like Marner, Nylander on top of that some dude although he's being hated on Tavares who was the envy of every team not to long ago. Who once was a pernieal superstar
He's still a very good player. That's 4 very good stars in this league
You do all that, only to F it up by not getting good goaltending
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