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[LeafsNation75]

Johnsson value
Kapanen Value. > contracts
Holl. Value
Mikheyev Value
Spezza. Value
Nylander ha on this one that was percieved as bad before a minute was played in it.

Every contract below our top 4 because i will add on the Nylander deal because some don’t like it still. (They are dwindling before embarrassment) are value deals.

Sandin is a steal
Robertson is a steal
Mikheyev is a steal
Holl is a outright travesty that The dirtbag would not play him

kerfoot,Barrie and Muzzin were ok deals. Moving Marleau and Zaitsev was somewhat costly but they actually got takers by Dubas.

Very nice body of work and i am only going off the topmof my head in this post. Might have missed something?????? Ohhhhh ohhh Yeah Tavares ha yeah he signed that guy ha

Don't forget the contracts of Marleau and Zaitsev was 100% on Lou Lamoriello for giving them out and it's why Dubas made the trades he did to get rid of them.

 

[Teeder Keon]

Johnsson value
Kapanen Value. > contracts
Holl. Value
Mikheyev Value
Spezza. Value
Nylander ha on this one that was percieved as bad before a minute was played in it.

Every contract below our top 4 because i will add on the Nylander deal because some don’t like it still. (They are dwindling before embarrassment) are value deals.

Sandin is a steal
Robertson is a steal
Mikheyev is a steal
Holl is a outright travesty that The dirtbag would not play him

kerfoot,Barrie and Muzzin were ok deals. Moving Marleau and Zaitsev was somewhat costly but they actually got takers by Dubas.

Very nice body of work and i am only going off the topmof my head in this post. Might have missed something?????? Ohhhhh ohhh Yeah Tavares ha yeah he signed that guy ha

Not bad for results in a job where you know that not every deal will turn out
Not bad for a young inexperienced GM
Not bad for a GM who had to make tough moves
Not bad for a GM that promised he would keep the young talented core and did it ! When 98% of honest fans wanted that more than anything ...
Not bad for Dubas
I’ll take those results

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Don't forget the contracts of Marleau and Zaitsev was 100% on Lou Lamoriello for giving them out and it's why Dubas made the trades he did to get rid of them.

Ceci and his $4,500,000 is gone seasons end if they want. Zaitsev has 4 years left and Connor Brown needs to be qualified at $2,100,000 as a RFA this summer. Thats great cap management right there. There isn’t a team around the league that isn’t holding a bad contract i believe. ( I’ll have to check) Dubas has spun a nice web. Basically if you have three of the best players in the league making top money or slightly better its a good problem. Just malcontents needle this stuff.

They had something to latch in to when babcock was micro managing the team in to the ground with his authoritarian approach and losing with it. Now with Keefe and the winning back to normal anticipated levels, there is nothing to argue.

This is a great team again with a good coach!

I am really interested in the Saturday game against the stingy Islanders against our high flying offense. Should be a benchmark game for evaluations. I hope both teams play top level so we see how the two styles expose each other. Can’t wait to watch it The Islanders give up the least goals per and by Saturday we could be the highest sscoring team.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Yeah, most GMs have to be back at the office with their paper and quill so they can sit by candlelight and write and stamp a letter for the messenger boy to run along to the other villages before it gets dark.

If only there was a way to communicate and do work from anywhere...

haha awesome

 

[Big Muddy]

Man, people blew a couple comments from people who stood to gain from such comments into some hockey-wide consensus really fast in their heads.

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The guys on NHL Network did say that they had spoken to GMs and they were pissed. It was either Grimson, Lawton or Weekes iirc. Not a bad show to watch & don't think they had anything to gain from comments like that.

I would guess a lot of folks underestimated how much the big three would get. Can see people that got that wrong turning themselves into pretzels & doing back flips now - LOL.

Sorry for not reading the rest, although the bending to authority comment seemed ironic given its source.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Top 20 salaries this year: ha ha i like it. No wonder they hate us
Top 20 NHL Salaries in 2019-20 — The Fourth Period

we just have resources as the largest hockey fanbase in the world

 

[Optimist]

If we had one of Matthews, Marner or Tavares on the team, I'd be ecstatic. Last time I looked we had all 3 of them. I think that Dubas is smarter than most people think. The game has changed. Why shouldn't the way a GM builds a team change? He has some new and fresh ideas. Sure, our game has some gaping holes. But it is compensated by an incredibly high flying offense. Will it work? It's not money in the bank, but I think that it can. Time will tell.

 

[LeafsNation75]

Ceci and his $4,500,000 is gone seasons end if they want. Zaitsev has 4 years left and Connor Brown needs to be qualified at $2,100,000 as a RFA this summer. Thats great cap management right there. There isn’t a team around the league that isn’t holding a bad contract i believe. ( I’ll have to check) Dubas has spun a nice web. Basically if you have three of the best players in the league making top money or slightly better its a good problem. Just malcontents needle this stuff.

They had something to latch in to when babcock was micro managing the team in to the ground with his authoritarian approach and losing with it. Now with Keefe and the winning back to normal anticipated levels, there is nothing to argue.

This is a great team again with a good coach!

I am really interested in the Saturday game against the stingy Islanders against our high flying offense. Should be a benchmark game for evaluations. I hope both teams play top level so we see how the two styles expose each other. Can’t wait to watch it The Islanders give up the least goals per and by Saturday we could be the highest sscoring team.

Even though Ceci isn't the greatest defenseman I would still take him at $4.5 million AAV for 1 year compared to Zaitsev.

 

[LeafingTheWay]

If we had one of Matthews, Marner or Tavares on the team, I'd be ecstatic. Last time I looked we had all 3 of them. I think that Dubas is smarter than most people think. The game has changed. Why shouldn't the way a GM builds a team change? He has some new and fresh ideas. Sure, our game has some gaping holes. But it is compensated by an incredibly high flying offense. Will it work? It's not money in the bank, but I think that it can. Time will tell.

I agree.

A lot of people in the hockey world are not accustomed to this strategy, even though it makes a lot sense.

People think you HAVE to pay your depth players big money, when it's simply not true. Engvall, Mikheyev, Moore, Timashov, Spezza, Gauthier, etc are all examples of that on this roster. Then guys making under 4M includes Kapanen, Johnsson, Hyman, Kerfoot. It's fantastic. Other teams pay their secondary players a shit ton of money (I.e 4M - 6M) when it's completely unnecessary if you continuously have a great pool of depth players.

We can afford to pay our main superstar players because of this. Guys like Bracco, Robertson, Korkshov, Marchment, Brooks + other European signings (like Mikheyev) will be a great source of depth. On D, we have a great line of D coming through such as Dermott, Sandin, Lilijegren, Holl to add to our group of Rielly, Muzzin, Barrie (even if a few of them leave).

I've always been afraid of the draft and off-season because Leafs used to make very stupid moves. But Dubas makes off-seasons interesting and actually something to look forward to (without being worried).

 

[Optimist]

Very good point. We have so much depth that it doesn't even concern me when we lose one of our stars for a few weeks. There's lots of guys that can fill those holes.

 

[Big Muddy]

Very good point. We have so much depth that it doesn't even concern me when we lose one of our stars for a few weeks. There's lots of guys that can fill those holes.

Except for Andersen?

 

[Optimist]

I'd even give this another shot. Hutch was thrown under the bus by Babcock having to play against a lot of good teams with a tired squad in front of him. He had little chance to succeed. I'd give this more time under Keefe, which is ultimately under Dubas.

 

[ImpartialNHLfan]

yup . unbelievable how in just a season and a half Dubas could have have added Mathews/Marner/Nylander/Anderson/Rielly among others

i can't think of another GM who added that much talent in such a short period of time . it's a truly remarkable accomplishment

It's crazy how we went from absolutely nothing to greatest leaf team of all time under his time here.

 

[hotpaws]

It's crazy how we went from absolutely nothing to greatest leaf team of all time under his time here.

yup and he did it all by himself , lol

 

[egd27]

It's crazy how we went from absolutely nothing to greatest leaf team of all time under his time here.

We did?

I thought we were coming off a franchise record 105 point season when Dubas took over.

 

[cesareborgia]

Don't forget the contracts of Marleau and Zaitsev was 100% on Lou Lamoriello for giving them out and it's why Dubas made the trades he did to get rid of them.

Don't forget that we wouldn't have been so desperate to trade Marleau if Dubas didn't give out such ridiculous RFA contracts.

Don't forget that Rantanen took 9.25.

 

[ImpartialNHLfan]

We did?

I thought we were coming off a franchise record 105 point season when Dubas took over.

Tell that to the Dubas fanboy we were replying too.

 

[ponder]

I mostly like Dubas, and really like the Holl contract, but he needs to bring in some toughness. Tonight is a good example - Foligno running around laying all sorts of dirty hits, may have concussed Dermott on a hit from behind, and there’s nobody to respond, at all. Nobody who can fight, nobody who can even lay a hard hit.

I’d trade a bit of skill for a player or two who can wreck guys like Foligno when they start playing dirty like this.

 

[LeafsNation75]

Don't forget that we wouldn't have been so desperate to trade Marleau if Dubas didn't give out such ridiculous RFA contracts.

Don't forget that Rantanen took 9.25.

Say what you want but Kyle Dubas was not responsible for Marleau getting his contract, that's 100% on Lou Lamoriello.

 

[cesareborgia]

Say what you want but Kyle Dubas was not responsible for Marleau getting his contract, that's 100% on Lou Lamoriello.

An intelligent negotiator would use that "immovable" Marleau contract as leverage to make the RFAs take less. "We don't have the space, we want to be competitive, take market value or sit out the year."

An unintelligent negotiator would take that contract and trade it along with a very valuable 1st, just to be able to transfer that money straight into the pockets of RFAs as an overpayment. "Bend me over and take what you want, derp."

 

[LeafsNation75]

An intelligent negotiator would use that "immovable" Marleau contract as leverage to make the RFAs take less. "We don't have the space, we want to be competitive, take market value or sit out the year."

An unintelligent negotiator would take that contract and trade it along with a very valuable 1st, just to be able to transfer that money straight into the pockets of RFAs as an overpayment. "Bend me over and take what you want, derp."

Do you think Dubas wanted to trade a 1st round to get rid of Marleau's contract, obviously he did not. He tried to add other things like a 2nd round pick or multiple 2nd round picks. Perhaps you would have wanted him to trade one of their young prospects instead. So he did what he to do all because Lou Lamoriello decided to give Marleau 3 years, when even San Jose where he wanted to stay would only offer him 2 years.

 

[cesareborgia]

Do you think Dubas wanted to trade a 1st round to get rid of Marleau's contract, obviously he did not. He tried to add other things like a 2nd round pick or multiple 2nd round picks. Perhaps you would have wanted him to trade one of their young prospects instead. So he did what he to do all because Lou Lamoriello decided to give Marleau 3 years, when even San Jose where he wanted to stay would only offer him 2 years.

You misunderstood my point. Giving away the pick is nowhere near the problem that the overpayments are. The Marleau contract could have been used as leverage in the negotiations. An experienced negotiator would have done this.

 

[Merrrlin]

An intelligent negotiator would use that "immovable" Marleau contract as leverage to make the RFAs take less. "We don't have the space, we want to be competitive, take market value or sit out the year."

An unintelligent negotiator would take that contract and trade it along with a very valuable 1st, just to be able to transfer that money straight into the pockets of RFAs as an overpayment. "Bend me over and take what you want, derp."

Such naivity.

 

[Havoc]

You misunderstood my point. Giving away the pick is nowhere near the problem that the overpayments are. The Marleau contract could have been used as leverage in the negotiations. An experienced negotiator would have done this.

Marleau as leverage?

Your calendar is broken. It's New Years, not April Fools.

 

[LeafsNation75]

You misunderstood my point. Giving away the pick is nowhere near the problem that the overpayments are. The Marleau contract could have been used as leverage in the negotiations. An experienced negotiator would have done this.

Marleau still needed to be traded so Dubas could re-sign Marner, Kapanen and Johnsson. Hell Marleau and Babcock even said that he didn't expect him to play out the 3rd year of his contract, so why the hell would Lamoriello and his experience give him that to start with?