Tribute Kyle Dubas discussion

[Big Muddy]

Hey, I'm on earth. Dubas didn't significantly overpay. And I've provided extensive proof of that.

Can you provide it to the rest of the league who disagrees. Stragglers.

Ya, I remember one of the talking heads on NHL Network (usually they are ex players or coaches) saying that he spoke to GMs after the trade and they were pissed. Its hard to know whether to believe in the ex coaches/GMs or the astute HFer's in here.

 

[DarkKnight]

It's important to remember that sports media isn't representative, unbiased, or informed, or even there to tell you the truth if they were informed.

Hockey people, GM’s, former agents, former front office, media with league sources, not sports media.

I read everything you post on this subject because it is an empirical presentation, interesting, but I’ve read plenty that suggests otherwise too, so it seems easy to support any particular view. I then look for a sampling of hockey people, always outliers, but in general the view is pretty clear our RFA’s did very very well.

 

[LeafsNation75]

The nice thing is we didn’t use a mid 1st round pick on Robertson and he’s probably better than Canfield.

That's almost like trading back from the 25th pick to the 29th pick when they selected Sandin in 2018.

 

[DueDiligence]

Posted in the Mikheyev thread, but this is suitable as well.

You can criticize some hockey moves, but boy, not many GM’s would stay with a player at the hospital this long.

Most GMs do not have a "gazillion' support staff to do most of their work. Nice gesture on his part but other guys can't spare the time.

 

[Eye Test]

Popped up on my Facebook from NHL Rumors that the Leafs and Rangers are apparently close to finalizing a "Georgiev for Bracco or Timashov and some picks". Not sure how the salary would work out here, and I'd assume they'd want Bracco over Timashov for upside. Not sure why the Rangers would want to move him but would love if it were true. Georgiev is 23 and already reaching "starter" status. Would be great as Goalie of the future as Andersen will likely get super expensive in 2 years and will be 32 years of age at that time. Would be cool if we could work something out to get Lias Andersson in there too but it all seems fairly pipe dreamish as is lol

I can see a deal in the off-season tbh

 

[DarkKnight]

Popped up on my Facebook from NHL Rumors that the Leafs and Rangers are apparently close to finalizing a "Georgiev for Bracco or Timashov and some picks". Not sure how the salary would work out here, and I'd assume they'd want Bracco over Timashov for upside. Not sure why the Rangers would want to move him but would love if it were true. Georgiev is 23 and already reaching "starter" status. Would be great as Goalie of the future as Andersen will likely get super expensive in 2 years and will be 32 years of age at that time. Would be cool if we could work something out to get Lias Andersson in there too but it all seems fairly pipe dreamish as is lol

Love it.

 

[hotpaws]

Trolling much? Marner 94 pts Panarin never ! Matthews 40 goals Panarin never? Oh sh!t i forgot that doesn’t count because they were RFA’s lol what a joke your responses are. Hockey evaluations and you don’t play well together lol

but Marner never had 31 goals and Mathews never had 87 pts and neither could shop himself to the entire league as a ufa to drive up there price but i guess this doesn't count because um ah , because it just doesn't count

 

[LeafsNation75]

but Marner never had 31 goals and Mathews never had 87 pts and neither could shop himself to the entire league as a ufa to drive up there price but i guess this doesn't count because um ah , because it just doesn't count

Marner was an RFA and it was reported he had offer sheets from Minnesota and Columbus, however he decided not to sign them.

 

[hotpaws]

Marner was an RFA and it was reported he had offer sheets from Minnesota and Columbus, however he decided not to sign them.

yup always rumors after the fact as to why Dubas overpaid , lol

Mathews would have got 14-15m if it was a 8yr term
Marner had offer sheets
Tavares had an offer of 13.5m per from another team

hell even Clarkson said he turned down more money , lol , it's pretty standard how pretty much all the guys said they turned down more money or there's a rumor of another team offering more

and people still believe it because it makes them feel better for some strange reason

 

[hotpaws]

I wish you guys would go look at the contracts before arguing over them. Panarin has a FULL NMC in his entire contract. Matthews and Marner are still wide open to trade for 4 years of their deals. The flexability is far more favourable to us. Its a better contract if there is uninhibited movement allowed last i figured.

but but but Marner didn't score 31 goals and Mathews never had 87 pts

so now you've moved the goalposts saving the rfa deals are better because we can trade them ?

your posts are getting more and more ridiculous

but i'll play along , i guess you don't like JT's deal because he has FULL NMC for the length of his contract , i'm guessing that's different because um reasons , lol

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Awesome to have two superstars like Matthews and Marner playing behind our first line center and his villainous sidekick Willy the hun lol. Sure could have done better than Matthews and Tavares for your top two centers Dudas you terrible G.M you ha

 

[hotpaws]

Awesome to have two superstars like Matthews and Marner playing behind our first line center and his villainous sidekick Willy the hun lol. Sure could have done better than Matthews and Tavares for your top two centers Dudas you terrible G.M you ha

yup . unbelievable how in just a season and a half Dubas could have have added Mathews/Marner/Nylander/Anderson/Rielly among others

i can't think of another GM who added that much talent in such a short period of time . it's a truly remarkable accomplishment

 

[LeafsNation75]

yup always rumors after the fact as to why Dubas overpaid , lol

Mathews would have got 14-15m if it was a 8yr term
Marner had offer sheets
Tavares had an offer of 13.5m per from another team

hell even Clarkson said he turned down more money , lol , it's pretty standard how pretty much all the guys said they turned down more money or there's a rumor of another team offering more

and people still believe it because it makes them feel better for some strange reason

I know he didn't get the exact same contract Marner got, but it was also reported that Montreal originally wanted to offer sheet Brayden Point instead of Sebastian Aho. However Point turned them down, so why is it hard to believe that Marner had offer sheets from Minnesota and Columbus?

 

[hotpaws]

I know he didn't get the exact same contract Marner got, but it was also reported that Montreal originally wanted to offer sheet Brayden Point instead of Sebastian Aho. However Point turned them down, so why is it hard to believe that Marner had offer sheets from Minnesota and Columbus?

Montreal wanted to offer sheet everyone and the only one who signed was Aho for 8.5m x 5yrs so tell me why i should believe Mon offered more than the Dube paid ?

and saying Point not getting the exact same deal as Marner is being very nice to the Dube , lol

 

[LeafsNation75]

Montreal wanted to offer sheet everyone and the only one who signed was Aho for 8.5m x 5yrs so tell me why i should believe Mon offered more than the Dube paid ?

All I'm saying is that it was reported with multiple sources saying it was Minnesota and Columbus who wanted to offer sheet Marner. Most likely they offered more AAV than what Dubas gave him because why wouldn't he sign the offer sheets, compared to the $10.93 AAV he got from Toronto.

 

[meefer]

I like Dubas and I'm glad he's our GM.

That said, he's not been perfect. He overpaid our trio, or under achieved their length of terms. That has hampered our team. But, by no means has it destroyed our ability to contend this year or in the near future. He's been too 'talkative' with the media, be it through honest opinion or boastfulness/arrogance/ignorance. He's not 'won' every trade (who does?). He may be relying too much on skill sets that are too similar. He has the audacity to have a vision that not everyone agrees with...just like every GM in the league, and it provides us with hours of debate.

I think he is smart. I like that he's forward thinking in his approach to introducing more 'fact' based information to the table. He appears to treat his players like people and wants to help them achieve to the best of their best abilities. He's picked up two players from deep within their respective drafts that look to be steals. He signed our trio. Tavares and Muzzin. Providing more opportunities for Marlies to contribute in the show. Babcock.

He reminds me of a 1st or 2nd overall pick being thrust into the league on a good, but not yet great team. The talent is obvious, they learn on the job, but the immediate impact isn't what was dreamed of. Long term they're going to be a star, short term we all can see some warts. What's required is patience, a noted trait in the world of Leaf fans everywhere.

 

[hotpaws]

All I'm saying is that it was reported with multiple sources saying it was Minnesota and Columbus who wanted to offer sheet Marner. Most likely they offered more AAV than what Dubas gave him because why wouldn't he sign the offer sheets, compared to the $10.93 AAV he got from Toronto.

i don't think Minny even had the cap space and it's only more likely they offered more because you don't want to believe Dubas got f***ed over even though every f***ing rfa signed more team friendly deals than Marner and Mathews which you completely ignore for some reason

and the bolded part doesn't even make sense

 

[Wafflewhipper]

yup . unbelievable how in just a season and a half Dubas could have have added Mathews/Marner/Nylander/Anderson/Rielly among others

i can't think of another GM who added that much talent in such a short period of time . it's a truly remarkable accomplishment

Phhhhhhenomenal

 

[LeafsNation75]

i don't think Minny even had the cap space and it's only more likely they offered more because you don't want to believe Dubas got ****ed over even though every ****ing rfa signed more team friendly deals than Marner and Mathews which you completely ignore for some reason

and the bolded part doesn't even make sense

So explain this link which says Minnesota was one of the teams to present Marner with an offer sheet that he did not end up signing.

https://www.bardown.com/according-t...heets-before-signing-with-the-leafs-1.1366403

If they had offered more than what Dubas was offering at that time why didn't Marner sign it?

 

[HandshakeLineRespect]

i don't think Minny even had the cap space and it's only more likely they offered more because you don't want to believe Dubas got ****ed over even though every ****ing rfa signed more team friendly deals than Marner and Mathews which you completely ignore for some reason

and the bolded part doesn't even make sense

RFA deals in other markets don't count. Its the father paul, dreger and ferris axis of evil that makes signing a team friendly deal in Toronto impossible remember?

 

[LeafsNation75]

don't post stuff from bloggers and i heard what his agent said and as i already mentioned , almost every time a player gets overpaid they say they could have signed for more or a rumor gets floated about some team

and how are you defending what Dubas gave by saying the offer sheets were less than what the Dube offered ?

I'm saying if Marner thought the offer sheets were more than what Dubas was offering don't you think he would have signed one?

Last offseason we consistently heard from Darren Dreger pushing the Marner offer sheet threat and when it came down to it that was a non story.

 

[hotpaws]

RFA deals in other markets don't count. Its the father paul, dreger and ferris axis of evil that makes signing a team friendly deal in Toronto impossible remember?

yup , Marners dad , Willies dad , Mathews mom , JT's wife

there's always a reason it's not KD's fault for handing our millions extra like Halloween candy

 

[hotpaws]

I'm saying if Marner thought the offer sheets were more than what Dubas was offering don't you think he would have signed one?

Last offseason we consistently heard from Darren Dreger pushing the Marner offer sheet threat and when it came down to it that was a non story.

the offer sheets were being used as an excuse to defend why Dubas overpaid Marner , fact is i don't believe a team offered him more than what Dubas did

go down the list of rfa's and Mathews and Marner did much better than all there comparable's

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Johnsson value
Kapanen Value. > contracts
Holl. Value
Mikheyev Value
Spezza. Value
Nylander ha on this one that was percieved as bad before a minute was played in it.

Every contract below our top 4 because i will add on the Nylander deal because some don’t like it still. (They are dwindling before embarrassment) are value deals.

Sandin is a steal
Robertson is a steal
Mikheyev is a steal
Holl is a outright travesty that The dirtbag would not play him

kerfoot,Barrie and Muzzin were ok deals. Moving Marleau and Zaitsev was somewhat costly but they actually got takers by Dubas.

Very nice body of work and i am only going off the topmof my head in this post. Might have missed something?????? Ohhhhh ohhh Yeah Tavares ha yeah he signed that guy ha

 

[LeafsNation75]

the offer sheets were being used as an excuse to defend why Dubas overpaid Marner , fact is i don't believe a team offered him more than what Dubas did

go down the list of rfa's and Mathews and Marner did much better than all there comparable's

The offer sheets were only brought up because once Matthews had signed his extension he couldn't get an offer sheet, so the media and specifically Darren Dreger used Marner to make headlines which never happened.