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[sxvnert]

Hes proven himself to be one of the worst contract negotiators, if not the worst, in the entire NHL. This is unforgivable.

In the biggest market, young star players have all of the leverage. If Matthews, Marner or Nylander took the year off, the stupid media and fans would side with the player just to bask in the drama. In most other cities where hockey is borderline irrelevant, the player would only be hurting himself.

 

[stickty111]

His record speaks for itself from Cup Contender to playoff pretender, he's stolen our hopes and dreams in just two years. Sad really sad but the Record speaks for itself.

Leafs are 12-4-1 since the change. The record does speak for itself and it's great news. He has helped our hope's and dreams, except for people like you. BTW you still think the Habs have a better future?

Two years ago Leafs and Canadiens were in the same Boat
Amazing really amazing.

 

[HandshakeLineRespect]

In the biggest market, young star players have all of the leverage. If Matthews, Marner or Nylander took the year off, the stupid media and fans would side with the player just to bask in the drama. In most other cities where hockey is borderline irrelevant, the player would only be hurting himself.

lol says who? Youre giving the media too much credit dude. Dubas could have told father paul, dreger, ferris etc etc., to go kick rocks. Grow a spine, its not that hard.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Hes proven himself to be one of the worst contract negotiators, if not the worst, in the entire NHL. This is unforgivable.

No proof of that. Its your opinion. Thats cool but Marner/Matthews together looks really good as does Willy/ Tavares. I will check for the persistence of posts suggesting overpaid players at seasons.

The contention will be much harder then than now and twice as hard this time next year. After that this notion will totally disappear. Why! Them players are cream of the crop young prospects and will earn it.

Thats just my opinion by the way

 

[FreeBird]

In the biggest market, young star players have all of the leverage. If Matthews, Marner or Nylander took the year off, the stupid media and fans would side with the player just to bask in the drama. In most other cities where hockey is borderline irrelevant, the player would only be hurting himself.

No the Team has all the leverage, they owe their rights for 7 years they would be out Millions plus if they sit out they still owe the team the year and it would remain 7 years. So were are they going the KHL or the Swiss league for a pittance of that they would make in the NHL.

 

[FreeBird]

He is a Leafs hater. His posts are not fact.

I was a Leaf fan before you were born, I've seen this show for over 50 years trading draft picks and dilute their farm system, fighting for a playoff spot after two years that's not progress that's regression. When you put your 50 years In I'll listen to your assertions that just don't add up.

 

[FreeBird]

Leafs are 12-4-1 since the change. The record does speak for itself and it's great news. He has helped our hope's and dreams, except for people like you. BTW you still think the Habs have a better future?

Two years ago Leafs and Canadiens were in the same Boat
Amazing really amazing.

Montreal didn't have Matthews and Marner two years ago, the Leafs did

 

[Cor]

Posted in the Mikheyev thread, but this is suitable as well.

You can criticize some hockey moves, but boy, not many GM’s would stay with a player at the hospital this long.

 

[hobarth]

I thought Dubie had a hard time negotiating because he was negotiating in the TO market. Every day, every sports talk show did nothing but say that AM was probably the at the least the 3rd best center in the NHL so he could ask for 16 mil. but would probably settle for around 14. Then they would say that MM was probably more valuable than AM. He could've played hard ball, got them to sign for less eventually possibly wasting a year of their prime and then probably signing them to 2/3 year contracts for less money. That might have wasted this year but he would've showed them but in 2/3 years it would be the same old, same old only then they'd have years of proven productivity to support their demands.

It is what it is.

For me Dubie has proven his worth by getting rid of Babs, I hope I won't have to eat these words.

 

[stickty111]

I was a Leaf fan before you were born, I've seen this show for over 50 years trading draft picks and dilute their farm system, fighting for a playoff spot after two years that's not progress that's regression. When you put your 50 years In I'll listen to your assertions that just don't add up.

And I have seen great progress for 5 years now. The last 50 years don't matter.

 

[stickty111]

Montreal didn't have Matthews and Marner two years ago, the Leafs did

Montreal was getting carried by Price, and now since he became average, they have been in trouble since. Do they have any good players?
I rather be in the Leafs position today then Montreal 2 years ago. Leafs have a solid farm system, where the Habs farm system can't even make the playoffs.
10 million for Price?

 

[Big Muddy]

Montreal was getting carried by Price, and now since he became average, they have been in trouble since. Do they have any good players?
I rather be in the Leafs position today then Montreal 2 years ago. Leafs have a solid farm system, where the Habs farm system can't even make the playoffs.
10 million for Price?

Yes, Montreal along with Edmonton and few others have no prospects at all and should be contracted.

 

[Big Muddy]

I thought Dubie had a hard time negotiating because he was negotiating in the TO market. Every day, every sports talk show did nothing but say that AM was probably the at the least the 3rd best center in the NHL so he could ask for 16 mil. but would probably settle for around 14. Then they would say that MM was probably more valuable than AM. He could've played hard ball, got them to sign for less eventually possibly wasting a year of their prime and then probably signing them to 2/3 year contracts for less money. That might have wasted this year but he would've showed them but in 2/3 years it would be the same old, same old only then they'd have years of proven productivity to support their demands.

It is what it is.

For me Dubie has proven his worth by getting rid of Babs, I hope I won't have to eat these words.

Yes. Thank God Dubas got the contracts he did versus the $14 - $16 m aav that everyone was expecting.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

Yes, Montreal along with Edmonton and few others have no prospects at all and should be contracted.

Both have been horrible at developing talent at the AHL level for years. Not sure if it is still the case, but at one point Montreal didn't have one player on their roster that they could say was developed in Laval. That's horrible mis-management of an AHL team.

The Leafs have been great recently. Not just bringing along top guys, but guys like Johnsson,Timashov, Engvall, Moore, etc.. Hopefully it continues so that we can keep replenishing this roster with talent year after year.

 

[FreeBird]

Montreal was getting carried by Price, and now since he became average, they have been in trouble since. Do they have any good players?
I rather be in the Leafs position today then Montreal 2 years ago. Leafs have a solid farm system, where the Habs farm system can't even make the playoffs.
10 million for Price?

And how many games have the Leafs won that didn't involve Freddy being the best goalie on the night.

 

[hobarth]

Yes, Montreal along with Edmonton and few others have no prospects at all and should be contracted.

Blue chip prospects Edmonton has Pulijujarvi, Yamamoto, Bouchard and Broberg.

Montreal's blue chippers Poehling, Caufield, Romanov.

TO's blue chippers Lilly and Sandin.

This is from The Hockey News' Top 100 21 and under edition.

Poehling scored 3 goals in a game against TO last year.

I think we Leaf fans would feel pretty good about those prospects if they were Leaf prospects.

 

[Gallagbi]

And how many games have the Leafs won that didn't involve Freddy being the best goalie on the night.

5 of their last 6 to start...

 

[Big Muddy]

Both have been horrible at developing talent at the AHL level for years. Not sure if it is still the case, but at one point Montreal didn't have one player on their roster that they could say was developed in Laval. That's horrible mis-management of an AHL team.

The Leafs have been great recently. Not just bringing along top guys, but guys like Johnsson,Timashov, Engvall, Moore, etc.. Hopefully it continues so that we can keep replenishing this roster with talent year after year.

Yes, for Montreal Cole Caufield, F, Nick Suzuki, F., Ryan Poehling, F., Cayden Primeau, G., Josh Brook, D. and Romanov will all bust for sure.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Yes. Thank God Dubas got the contracts he did versus the $14 - $16 m aav that everyone was expecting.

Huh?

NOBODY was expecting 14-16 million.

In fact, when you look at projections like 2 years ago, average estimates were around 11 million for Matthews and 9 for Marner. And that’s at EIGHT year terms.

 

[HandshakeLineRespect]

No proof of that. Its your opinion. Thats cool but Marner/Matthews together looks really good as does Willy/ Tavares. I will check for the persistence of posts suggesting overpaid players at seasons.

The contention will be much harder then than now and twice as hard this time next year. After that this notion will totally disappear. Why! Them players are cream of the crop young prospects and will earn it.

Thats just my opinion by the way

The court of public opinion, media, hockey lifers, other GMs etc etc., have all made the point Dubas has overpaid but go ahead and disregard all that and go off your little hf boards ledger of posts that you track lol.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

Yes, for Montreal Cole Caufield, F, Nick Suzuki, F., Ryan Poehling, F., Cayden Primeau, G., Josh Brook, D. and Komanov will all bust for sure.

Caufield, Suzuki, and I'm guessing you meant Romanov? haven't played a game with Laval yet, Poehling, Primeau, and Brook are in their first seasons there.

What do any of those guys have to do with Laval's inability to develop talent over the last decade?

 

[Throw More Waffles]

The court of public opinion, media, hockey lifers, other GMs etc etc., have all made the point Dubas has overpaid but go ahead and disregard all that and go off your hf boards ledger of posts that you track lol.

Yes. It's universally accepted that Dubas significantly overpaid.

Even Dubas's biggest defenders focus on lame excuses for why he had to overpay, as opposed to denying he overpaid at all. "Toxic Toronto Media", "high taxes", "They all hate Babcock".

The excuses are rationalizations for overpayments. Not denial of overpayments. Because quite literally everybody on earth is in 100% agreement that Dubas significantly overpaid.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

Yes. It's universally accepted that Dubas significantly overpaid.

Even Dubas's biggest defenders focus on lame excuses for why he had to overpay, as opposed to denying he overpaid at all. "Toxic Toronto Media", "high taxes", "They all hate Babcock".

The excuses are rationalizations for overpayments. Not denial of overpayments. Because quite literally everybody on earth is in 100% agreement that Dubas significantly overpaid.

I don't think you know what the word "literal" means.

 

[Big Muddy]

Huh?

NOBODY was expecting 14-16 million.

In fact, when you look at projections like 2 years ago, average estimates were around 11 million for Matthews and 9 for Marner. And that’s at EIGHT year terms.

The guy I responded to did, along with several others in here. Were there no comparable type posts in here basing the new contracts on "comps"? Man I'm glad we got these bargain contracts like we did.

 

[Big Muddy]

Caufield, Suzuki, and I'm guessing you meant Romanov? haven't played a game with Laval yet, Poehling, Primeau, and Brook are in their first seasons there.

What do any of those guys have to do with Laval's inability to develop talent over the last decade?

Yes, Romanov - typo. Just saying Montreal has not got any good prospects and should be contracted.