Kyle Dubas Discussion (continued) the 2021 edition

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How do you figure? Zaitsev Komarov Martin to 4 years, PM to 3 - I see no evidence we were on an upward trajectory at the end with him

Weird considering his last season was our record breaking point total.

Also weird considering he sought out both Martin and Komarov in NY and they have had significantly more success than we have... without Tavares too.
 
How do you figure? Zaitsev Komarov Martin to 4 years, PM to 3 - I see no evidence we were on an upward trajectory at the end with him
Hmmmmm..........
Lou's 3 years
2015-16 , 29 - 42 -11
2016-17 , 40 - 27 -15
2017 -18 , 49 - 26 - 7

See a trend there?
 
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Weird considering his last season was our record breaking point total.

Also weird considering he sought out both Martin and Komarov in NY and they have had significantly more success than we have... without Tavares too.

Yeah man Komarov is such a big difference maker for them that he's regularly a health scratch for them last season and waived and a healthy scratch so far this season. That's why they're winning, Komarov is really good at cheering them on from the pressbox. The 3 million dollars he's getting paid not to play is probably an underpayment if anything.
 
I know his is heresy to many, but maybe Babcock was right and he should be playing with Tavares rather than Matthews.
I don't think it's an either or situation. Float the lines as needed. Having anyone of the big 4 off limits from the other is silly IMO.
 
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At the same time Lou signs with the Islanders they lose their best player and yet after not making the playoffs for the previous 2 years they get to the 2nd round in year 1 and the conference finals in yr 2. Just a coincidence I guess.
All true but still doesn’t excuse Lou for not having any playoff success with the leafs
He did leave us with a few nice contracts
 
Yeah man Komarov is such a big difference maker for them that he's regularly a health scratch for them last season and waived and a healthy scratch so far this season. That's why they're winning, Komarov is really good at cheering them on from the pressbox. The 3 million dollars he's getting paid not to play is probably an underpayment if anything.

blah blah blah. Komarov may or may not be done. Who cares?

it’s been decades since I saw my Leafs in the conference final.

Islander fans saw it a few a months ago.

F’ing win already and stop apologizing for failure.

if Matthews had an ounce of Komarov’s compete, he would be one of the NHL’s top 3 forwards.

If Dubas had an ounce of Lou’s awareness of intangibles, we might be able to win a round.
 
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I don’t consider Matthews locked up long term.

This season plus 2 more before he hits the lame duck year and becomes a UFA at the end of it.

wouldn’t risk a Tavares like exit with him. If he can’t be resigned at the start of his last year, he must be moved.

Not to mention Rielly is UFA in two years. We are going to need to find money.
Well yeah from now, its not considered long term. But he signed that deal a few years ago. If he signed a 2 year bridge, imagine how much Leafs would have to pay now? Feb 2021 would be 2 years since he signed.

5-8 years to me is mid to long term. Maybe I shouldn't have said long, but instead mid. Regardless, I'm glad they could go 5 years as opposed to 2.

I don't know how much covid would change that? You think he still wouldn't ask for 11-13 mill now?

What do you think Nylander would go for now, after that 30 goal season?

Lots of interesting scenarios, but all hypothetical.

Dubas chose to pay his core stars, and during the last 2 years has chosen to support the core with cheap players. You have to when you pay 40+ million. But I like that approach. The big guys have to show up every game but just don't as enough.

Matthews is the rare exception but even he has had a lot of bad games over the years. Thats a problem. But how long do we have to hear "these are growing pains of young players"? Eventually it's tiring and your guys just gotta strap up and play 60. Do whatever to get the win. It's still not there yet.

Andersen definitely hasn't helped the case over last two years, let's not kid ourselves but the forwards have not supported d zone play for a long time. A lot are just looking for quick plays out or cherry picking by red line.

Maybe that's how these skill players are. Maybe Leafs will be like Washington. Win 1 cup with the main core but it'll take time. Who knows.

I will never give up on this team though. No matter who stays or goes. Matthews, Marner, or JT.
 
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All true but still doesn’t excuse Lou for not having any playoff success with the leafs
He did leave us with a few nice contracts
Lou took a crappy team and in his 3rd season had the team hit a record points total. I bet if Lou had stayed on the Leafs would have been in the conference final by now.
 
Hmmmmm..........
Lou's 3 years
2015-16 , 29 - 42 -11
2016-17 , 40 - 27 -15
2017 -18 , 49 - 26 - 7

See a trend there?

Dude no one can take away anything from Lou. His reputation in the NHL is probably 2nd to none. Cups, HOF, etc. The only people that think they can tear him down are young fools. He has nothing to prove.


Unlike our current Management team who have everything to prove.
 
Evaluating Kyle Dubas can’t be a Kyle vs Lou debate anymore. It’s 2021 and Lou departed in 2018.

Lou’s teams are run like collegiate programs that value collective success and often have smaller budgets and value defensive and checking attributes. Toronto’s model is built on individually great players that can both entertain on a big stage and also hopefully bring success.

It’s time to uncouple this comparison.
 
He looks like he's made two mistakes that might be the downfall of him though I'm hoping I'm wrong and it works out.

1. Hired Keefe as the Babcock replacement. Should've been an interim hire for last season tbh. I doubt that he fires Keefe this year and Keefe isn't looking to me like an NHL coach (yet). Seems like a good junior/AHL guy.

2. He did the right thing by getting rid of guys like Johnsson and Kapanen but needed to go a bit further and hasn't replaced them with enough speed. Team identity needs to stick to speed and it's quite mixed now.
 
All true but still doesn’t excuse Lou for not having any playoff success with the leafs
He did leave us with a few nice contracts

Well, perhaps making the playoffs in a full season for the first time in a dozen years could be considered a success. But hey water under the bridge.
 
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When everyone is praising Lou as a wizard to do the impossible
NO ITS NOT

The Leafs made the the playoffs in a full season for the first time in ages (12 yrs?) and increased their point total each season that Lou was the GM.

Just facts my "all caps" friend. Can't change them.
 
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The Leafs made the the playoffs in a full season for the first time in ages (12 yrs?) and increased their point total each season that Lou was the GM.

Just facts my "all caps" friend. Can't change them.
Well here’s one for you
The leafs had been horrible for a good 10 years
They couldn’t get much worse
So when you tank a season on purpose to get top over all pick to add to a few high picks they already made from being so bad your bound to get better
Luckily they were in the eastern conference and made the playoffs
But that 0 series wins still holds today
It’s kinda easy to get better when your the worse
It’s hard to go from good to contender
If Lou was that good he would have resigned and life would have been great ... but he didnt
 
Weird considering his last season was our record breaking point total.

Also weird considering he sought out both Martin and Komarov in NY and they have had significantly more success than we have... without Tavares too.
Yeah you do you but if I'm looking at a gms success im looking beyond 2 years
 
Well here’s one for you
The leafs had been horrible for a good 10 years
They couldn’t get much worse
So when you tank a season on purpose to get top over all pick to add to a few high picks they already made from being so bad your bound to get better
Luckily they were in the eastern conference and made the playoffs
But that 0 series wins still holds today
It’s kinda easy to get better when your the worse
It’s hard to go from good to contender
If Lou was that good he would have resigned and life would have been great ... but he didnt

Yes, aside from the last line those are also facts, well done.
 
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