Kyle Dubas appreciation / hot seat discussion ***Mod warning in OP***

[biotk]

I think that incident with Matthews was extremely minor. I wouldn't even care enough to read a snippet about it if the same thing happened to a player on, say, the Senators or Rangers.

Hiding it from the team afterwards was both bizarre and dumb. But that is between the team and Matthews.

To me Dubas did the absolute correct thing. I understand that some think he should try to protect his players no matter what, but the first rule in this kind of situation for an organization is to tell the truth. Dubas handled the situation right. Matthews handled it wrong.

 

[Daisy Jane]

This is the type of reeeeeaction I expect to get when dropping truth bombs to the credulous.

Dubas did nothing wrong. Matthews did a minor thing wrong but the Benjamins have come calling. Everything else is the blather of people/media, including me and you, looking for attention.

no. that's the kind of reaction you should expect when you aren't making sense.

did I say Dubas did anything wrong? no.

Matthews was wrong not informing his employer regarding his legal issues. (I'm not really sure what he did, didn't do because i've been too busy working to really deal w/anything hockeyish. my issue wiith what Matthews did wasn't do his due diligence in preparing his employers for something that the media would eventually find out about and confront said employer, and the employer looks like "well, i dunno i just found out too." is due to immaturity on Matthews end and poor advice from his team). I am not calling for his head, I haven't even commented on it (outside of this because thewave has been making zero sense).

if in what i said made you believe I look up to the news media then whatever. i have no idea where you got from point a to b but whatever.

 

[Stephen]

Looking at the big picture, I could see this being a good wake up call for Auston Matthews who has been riding high as the poster boy for the Leafs and NHL, is getting paid a fortune and everyone wants to hand him the keys to the kingdom. Just a reminder of the responsibility he has to himself and all the other commitments that follow. Do you want to be the guy we think you can be? Well, now he’ll have a better understanding of that real responsibility and hopefully he lives up to it.

In terms of the captaincy let’s not forget he’s the second youngest guy likely on the Leafs behind Sandin. So maybe we’ve all been trying to give him too much too soon.

 

[ottomaddox]

Looking at the big picture, I could see this being a good wake up call for Auston Matthews who has been riding high as the poster boy for the Leafs and NHL, is getting paid a fortune and everyone wants to hand him the keys to the kingdom. Just a reminder of the responsibility he has to himself and all the other commitments that follow. Do you want to be the guy we think you can be? Well, now he’ll have a better understanding of that real responsibility and hopefully he lives up to it.

Good post.

Hi5

 

[Menzinger]

Considering the financial, legal and PR resources at MLSEs disposal, Matthew's was pretty dumb not going immediately to Dubas - and that's all on Matthews.

Thos probably could have gotten swept under the rug quietly without any PR issue this summer

 

[Menzinger]

This is STILL a thing?

20 years from now.folks will still be talking about it (and conveniently still ignoring the Leafs had ample opportunity to finish the series at home in game 6)

 

[ShaneFalco]

20 years from now.folks will still be talking about it (and conveniently still ignoring the Leafs had ample opportunity to finish the series at home in game 6)

AND the back-up goalie was totally a non-factor in the playoffs

 

[Nineteen67]

I think that incident with Matthews was extremely minor. I wouldn't even care enough to read a snippet about it if the same thing happened to a player on, say, the Senators or Rangers.

Hiding it from the team afterwards was both bizarre and dumb. But that is between the team and Matthews.

To me Dubas did the absolute correct thing. I understand that some think he should try to protect his players no matter what, but the first rule in this kind of situation for an organization is to tell the truth. Dubas handled the situation right. Matthews handled it wrong.

Matthews and his legal team may have handled this wrong. Literally had they called the security guard and met with her n the summer this could have been taken care of long ago.
Maybe they tried, let’s wait and see, but they certainly should have notified the Leafs.

 

[Nineteen67]

Considering the financial, legal and PR resources at MLSEs disposal, Matthew's was pretty dumb not going immediately to Dubas - and that's all on Matthews.

Thos probably could have gotten swept under the rug quietly without any PR issue this summer

One would think that his agent could have made this go away with a little effort let alone MLSE. Maybe they tried, I don’t know, but still they should have notified them.

 

[deletethis]

Considering the financial, legal and PR resources at MLSEs disposal, Matthew's was pretty dumb not going immediately to Dubas - and that's all on Matthews.

I don't agree. Matthews' lawyer(s) is Matthews' advocate. MLSE's lawyers are MLSE's advocates. In many ways I'm sure their interests intersect but in other ways they don't intersect at all.

If anyone gets in a personal criminal legal kerfuffle, should they go to their employer's Human Resources dept to get access/recommendation to a lawyer or find one on their own and not involve their employer in any way? If you think the former is a good idea, you may be hopelessly naive and don't know how the legal system works.

 

[thewave]

Too far man, now its blatant that you're just ****ing with us.

Missing the boat by too much to be taken seriously. This has zero to do with rule of law, media, propanda, majority... it's PR and distraction minimization pure and simple. Your way would have been bad, his way will blow over quickly.

As the media is positioning to strike. Dregs said he was not the guy, just wait its going to blow up when JT or Morgan get named. If he does get named they will talk about that. If not its about had he known and the drama continues because Dubas said he didn't know when he didn't have to offer that information. Gossip for profit is a powerful force in this town, Lou knew how to shut them down, Kyle doesn't.

 

[4thline]

As the media is positioning to strike. Dregs said he was not the guy, just wait its going to blow up when JT or Morgan get named. If he does get named they will talk about that. If not its about had he known and the drama continues because Dubas said he didn't know when he didn't have to offer that information. Gossip for profit is a powerful force in this town, Lou knew how to shut them down, Kyle doesn't.

And all that would be worse if it was based on speculation and gossip instead of being addressed on day 1. If he didn't tell them, they'd speculate. Then speculation would lead to interview questions directed at Matthews on game dayWho would then either come clean or get trapped in the lie. It would be dirty, it would be ongoing, it would be more of a distraction.

 

[deletethis]

no. that's the kind of reaction you should expect when you aren't making sense.

did I say Dubas did anything wrong? no.

Matthews was wrong not informing his employer regarding his legal issues. (I'm not really sure what he did, didn't do because i've been too busy working to really deal w/anything hockeyish. my issue wiith what Matthews did wasn't do his due diligence in preparing his employers for something that the media would eventually find out about and confront said employer, and the employer looks like "well, i dunno i just found out too." is due to immaturity on Matthews end and poor advice from his team). I am not calling for his head, I haven't even commented on it (outside of this because thewave has been making zero sense).

if in what i said made you believe I look up to the news media then whatever. i have no idea where you got from point a to b but whatever.

I know you're jonesing for an exchange so I'll keep "not making any sense" and talking past your affected "I'm a reasonable person" personna. I know your actual intentions sunshine. I haven't forgotten that you tried to get me banned.

 

[egd27]

how? exactly? how is this the media's fault now?
All it takes is Matthews (or his camp) to privately call Dubas and say "Hi, I did something extremely stupid. there might be legal trouble. I'm preparing you for it in case it goes public you know what's going on and you aren't caught unawares." being forewarned is being forearmed. Seriously.

Seems pretty simple, doesn't it?

 

[egd27]

I don't agree. Matthews' lawyer(s) is Matthews' advocate. MLSE's lawyers are MLSE's advocates. In many ways I'm sure their interests intersect but in other ways they don't intersect at all.

If anyone gets in a personal criminal legal kerfuffle, should they go to their employer's Human Resources dept to get access/recommendation to a lawyer or find one on their own and not involve their employer in any way? If you think the former is a good idea, you may be hopelessly naive and don't know how the legal system works.

You're way too smart to not see that the $11M Franchise Centre of the Leafs is not just "anyone".

 

[thewave]

And all that would be worse if it was based on speculation and gossip instead of being addressed on day 1. If he didn't tell them, they'd speculate. Then speculation would lead to interview questions directed at Matthews on game dayWho would then either come clean or get trapped in the lie. It would be dirty, it would be ongoing, it would be more of a distraction.

All this from me saying don't feed the trolls. The media in this town are toxic weasels who twist everything you say. This country has some of the absolute worst reporting and news anywhere. Its a joke. He just had to say very minimalistic things instead he gave them things to spin. I don't think you understand how this works tbh.

 

[deletethis]

You're way too smart to not see that the $11M Franchise Centre of the Leafs is not just "anyone".

Lawyers are not allowed to have a conflict of interest. The lawyer employed by MLSE has a conflict of interest in representing Auston Matthews as his sworn loyalty is to the MLSE corporation before anything else. A lawyer can represent MLSE OR Matthews, not both, because their interests are different. That's just a basic thing.

 

[Pocket Hercules]

Considering the financial, legal and PR resources at MLSEs disposal, Matthew's was pretty dumb not going immediately to Dubas - and that's all on Matthews.

Thos probably could have gotten swept under the rug quietly without any PR issue this summer

Steve Keough is the Leafs version of Winston Wolfe. Would probably had been a non-issue had Matthews just come forward and own up to it in May.

 

[4thline]

All this from me saying don't feed the trolls. The media in this town are toxic weasels who twist everything you say. This country has some of the absolute worst reporting and news anywhere. Its a joke. He just had to say very minimalistic things instead he gave them things to spin. I don't think you understand how this works tbh.

Right back at you. Minimalism can squash a story early, but once it's going it just feeds it. There's a time to punt, and a time to rip the bandaid off.

There was blood in the water. They were going to keep hunting till they got the story. Non answers lead to speculation, open spin, further digging. The last thing we need is opening day questions like "Auston, any comment on the rumours that you kept your legal troubles from the Leafs? Is it the reason why they went with JT as captain?"

There's nothing left to dig, nothing left to spin, very little left to ask.

 

[Menzinger]

I don't agree. Matthews' lawyer(s) is Matthews' advocate. MLSE's lawyers are MLSE's advocates. In many ways I'm sure their interests intersect but in other ways they don't intersect at all.

If anyone gets in a personal criminal legal kerfuffle, should they go to their employer's Human Resources dept to get access/recommendation to a lawyer or find one on their own and not involve their employer in any way? If you think the former is a good idea, you may be hopelessly naive and don't know how the legal system works.

It was 100% in MLSEs interests to keep this quite - so theres a clear overlap immediately.

And a multi billiion dollar corporate entity has way more ways to keep this under wraps than an individual (even a wealthy one like Matthews). Theres nothing naive about that.....

Being a public athlete isnt the same as having a regular job so you're making an apples oranges comparison

 

[Wafflewhipper]

This security guard seems to have waited a considerable amount of time to decide to file. I find that curiously questionable! I do have a sneaky suspicion its not all about don’t call me a liar as she explains for he deciding to file a charge.

Don’t go pranking strangers seems like a good takeaway from this too.
No excuses either for Matthews as a representative of the Leafs, he just can’t do this stuff lol.
Lets see if she sues for damages?
I think she tried to give the impression in the video that she didn’t know who Matthews was. Just my take!!!!
I see her as making a play for fear of doing her job now etc,we’ll see.

Matthews is in a mess whatever way you slice it. I think this security though about this long enough and figured there is some money to be had.

Lol so i guess the question is how much you think she’ll get in damages because he was a dumb dumb.

 

[deletethis]

It was 100% in MLSEs interests to keep this quite - so theres a clear overlap immediately.

And a multi billiion dollar corporate entity has way more ways to keep this under wraps than an individual (even a wealthy one like Matthews). Theres nothing naive about that.....

Being a public athlete isnt the same as having a regular job so you're making an apples oranges comparison

You didn't address my main point that MLSE's lawyers CANNOT represent Matthews (admittedly I didn't make that clear). At best they could steer him to an independent lawyer.

But would it be better if MLSE had hidden/buried this then was found out? I don't think so. Again, Matthews and his representation gave MLSE an absolute gift of non-involvement. MLSE hasn't done anything shady or perceived as shady because they knew nothing. And there was always a chance this never came out to the public sphere.

 

[Menzinger]

You didn't address my main point that MLSE's lawyers CANNOT represent Matthews (admittedly I didn't make that clear). At best they could steer him to an independent lawyer.

But would it be better if MLSE had hidden/buried this then was found out? I don't think so. Again, Matthews and his representation gave MLSE an absolute gift of non-involvement. MLSE hasn't done anything shady or perceived as shady because they knew nothing. And there was always a chance this never came out to the public sphere.

And the point in was getting at is there are obviously are fairly broad alternative ways mlse could have assisted in the matter beyond directly representing him. Corporations keeping things under wraps is a common exercise -"shady" is a fairly subjective term...

"If a tree falls in the forest and nobdy is around to hear it....."

Id wager if you asked anyone Leafs management if they would have simply avoided talking about this matter at all, it would have been a overwhelming "yes"

 

[deletethis]

And the point in was getting at is there are obviously are fairly broad alternative ways mlse could have assisted in the matter beyond directly representing him. Corporations keeping things under wraps is a common exercise -"shady" is a fairly subjective term...

"If a tree falls in the forest and nobdy is around to hear it....."

Id wager if you asked anyone Leafs management if they would have simply avoided talking about this matter at all, it would have been a overwhelming "yes"

Don't forget once MLSE would have known about it, the number of potential little birdies who could talk multiply exponentially.

"Shady" is just how I believe the media vultures would have framed the narrative. I don't actually think it's shady at all to wish to keep personal matters to yourself.

 

[yubbers]

no. that's the kind of reaction you should expect when you aren't making sense.

did I say Dubas did anything wrong? no.

Matthews was wrong not informing his employer regarding his legal issues. (I'm not really sure what he did, didn't do because i've been too busy working to really deal w/anything hockeyish. my issue wiith what Matthews did wasn't do his due diligence in preparing his employers for something that the media would eventually find out about and confront said employer, and the employer looks like "well, i dunno i just found out too." is due to immaturity on Matthews end and poor advice from his team). I am not calling for his head, I haven't even commented on it (outside of this because thewave has been making zero sense).

if in what i said made you believe I look up to the news media then whatever. i have no idea where you got from point a to b but whatever.

Why let the press know that? Helps nothing. Say we're waiting for the legal proceedings. Until then no comment. Then deal with it internally.

Simple