Speculation: Kucherov Will Not Attend Training Camp

[Dr Jan Itor]

Kucherov should have been before the last 4 guys. Kucherov should have been right after Hedman

Vasilevskiy's doesn't kick in until next year, so it doesn't have much of a bearing on their immediate predicament, and Gudlevskis' looks like a nothing, minor league contract, also with little bearing on Kucherov.

 

[HawkeyTalkMan]

Vasilevskiy's doesn't kick in until next year, so it doesn't have much of a bearing on their immediate predicament, and Gudlevskis' looks like a nothing, minor league contract, also with little bearing on Kucherov.

Its clearly a mix of guys that kick in now and kick in next year, but Izodman needs to evaluate both this year AND next years cap right now because he also needs to give new RFA deals for next summer to T.Johnson, Palat, Sustr, and Drouin

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Problem is that Izerman signed a slew of other guys eating up cap space to the point where now he has cornered himself into not being able to offer Kucherov a fair value contract long term. He needs to either pray he caves or make a panic trade to clear space so that Kucherov doesnt bolt for the KHL.

Had he worked out a deal to pay Kucherov a little more than he would have liked, before all the Vasilevsky, Nesterov, Killorn, etc deals went out. THEN you penny pinch the bottom line guys and find replacements for them at bargain prices elsewhere if they dont budge.

You aint finding a replacement for Kucherov now that Yzerman is at the end of the food line

I don't think it's that big of a concern. They can sign Kucherov to a 7.5 mil contract and would just need to clear 2 million to make it work for them which is essentially trading someone like Brian Boyle but most likely trying to find a workable deal for Filppula. But the idea that the Vasilevsky or Nesterov signings really have any impact is a huge reach. A contract that starts next year and someone making 725k is really reaching on this type of thing. If they need that space, they can trade someone of similar cap space if not Nesterov himself. I agree when it comes to Killorn and Stamkos but not the other guys. Those types of contracts don't hold something like this up.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Its clearly a mix of guys that kick in now and kick in next year, but Izodman needs to evaluate both this year AND next years cap right now because he also needs to give new RFA deals for next summer to T.Johnson, Palat, Sustr, and Drouin

I wonder if it is too much of an extreme measure, with all of the mid-20's talent that they currently have, to take the 2017 draft off and just send picks away with contracts to clear their books.

Assuming they're going to be picking 20-30...

Callahan + 1st
Filppula + 3rd
Coburn + 2nd

Frees up an additional $14.5M on top their current $18M cushion for next summer. Maybe not the greatest asset management, but they're still left with...

Palat - Johnson - Kucherov
Drouin - Stamkos - Killorn
Whoever - Namestnikov - Whoever

Hedman - Stralman
Koekkoek - Garrison
Nesterov - Sustr

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

In fairness how many players report to camp without a contract, Pretty sure it's not to many.

 

[BowieSabresFan]

In fairness how many players report to camp without a contract, Pretty sure it's not to many.

Ristolainen is at least skating with the Sabres, though I agree it can't be too many overall.

 

[High n Wide]

Ristolainen is at least skating with the Sabres, though I agree it can't be too many overall.

Yes, but I would argue that the only reason we're even talking about Ristolainen participating in camp as an unsigned RFA is because it is so unusual. Good news, I would think, for Buffalo, though.

 

[DrDangles]

As a Penguins fan, I hope he goes to the KHL for the year. Tampa is the only team that worries me in the east.

This as a Penguins fan, but as a hockey fan it would suck to lose such an entertaining player.

 

[Spektre]

I wonder if it is too much of an extreme measure, with all of the mid-20's talent that they currently have, to take the 2017 draft off and just send picks away with contracts to clear their books.

Assuming they're going to be picking 20-30...

Callahan + 1st
Filppula + 3rd
Coburn + 2nd

Callahan & Filppula both have no movement clauses. Next year is the expansion draft and both have to be protected.

 

[uncleben]

Not exactly shocking. I don't think anyone expected him in camp without a deal.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2130767



It's not that uncommon at all, actually

 

[ghdi]

Callahan & Filppula both have no movement clauses. Next year is the expansion draft and both have to be protected.

Yep, provided Callahan and Filppula were willing to go to a particular destination, the cost will likely be higher to get the team receiving them to take on with no salary relief. The problem with that is that doing it anytime soon severely limits the landing spots because so many teams are set in respect to the cap + they have to be willing to expose another player in the ED. There's only a handful that could take any of these players this early in the season with no salary going back to Tampa or elsewhere. It obviously could be done, but the cost to Tampa may not be worth it. I also can't imagine either of these guys accepting moves to teams not sniffing the playoffs.

As a Devils fan and a team with the ability to absorb some cap, I'd take Coburn provided nothing is going back to Tampa, but the other two I'd be less enthusiastic about. Callahan because of contract length (even though Ive always liked him as a player) and Filppula because I don't think hes a large enough upgrade for $10M over 2 years + both of them need protection in the ED. Lesser in terms of cap relief for Tampa I'd take Sustr, Namestnikov or Palat and be willing to give up mid round picks or lesser prospects for, but I imagine none of those guys Stevie would want to move for relief unless add ons in bigger moves (i.e. Bishop).

Tampa's best move for salary relief remains trading Bishop, since they can at least expect to get something in return for him, but I imagine this is an offseason move unless Vasilevskiy performs at such a high level that he has to be played over Bishop night in and night out. The expansion draft is a wrench that every team has to deal with this season and can't be discounted depending on a particular roster's make up.

 

[Stuzchuk]

Eklund - E5
Rickard Rakell (C//ANA) - Will not attend Training Camp
Hampus Lindholm (LHD//ANA) - Will not attend Training Camp
Tobias Rieder (LW//ARI) - Will not attend Training Camp
Rasmus Ristolainen (RHD//BUF) - Will not attend Training Camp
Johnny Gaudreau (LW//CGY) - Will not attend Training Camp
Nikita Kucherov (RW//TBL) - Will not attend Training Camp
Jacob Trouba (RHD//WPG) - Will not attend Training Camp

Very hard to figure out without a contract

 

[2020 Cup Champions]

Yep, provided Callahan and Filppula were willing to go to a particular destination, the cost will likely be higher to get the team receiving them to take on with no salary relief. The problem with that is that doing it anytime soon severely limits the landing spots because so many teams are set in respect to the cap + they have to be willing to expose another player in the ED. There's only a handful that could take any of these players this early in the season with no salary going back to Tampa or elsewhere. It obviously could be done, but the cost to Tampa may not be worth it. I also can't imagine either of these guys accepting moves to teams not sniffing the playoffs.

As a Devils fan and a team with the ability to absorb some cap, I'd take Coburn provided nothing is going back to Tampa, but the other two I'd be less enthusiastic about. Callahan because of contract length (even though Ive always liked him as a player) and Filppula because I don't think hes a large enough upgrade for $10M over 2 years + both of them need protection in the ED. Lesser in terms of cap relief for Tampa I'd take Sustr, Namestnikov or Palat and be willing to give up mid round picks or lesser prospects for, but I imagine none of those guys Stevie would want to move for relief unless add ons in bigger moves (i.e. Bishop).

Tampa's best move for salary relief remains trading Bishop, since they can at least expect to get something in return for him, but I imagine this is an offseason move unless Vasilevskiy performs at such a high level that he has to be played over Bishop night in and night out. The expansion draft is a wrench that every team has to deal with this season and can't be discounted depending on a particular roster's make up.

Most of this is pretty reasonable, but the idea of being able to get Palat for a mid round pick or lesser prospect is ludicrous.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Callahan & Filppula both have no movement clauses. Next year is the expansion draft and both have to be protected.

Both can be bought out before the expansion draft if it comes to that. Filppula's buyout would be pretty reasonable to do so if he'd like to collect on the full amount, he's probably going to be open to a trade as opposed to just 2/3's of it plus whatever he can get on the open market. Callahan would be more difficult to buy out with three years remaining but not impossible.

 

[markog]

Both can be bought out before the expansion draft if it comes to that. Filppula's buyout would be pretty reasonable to do so if he'd like to collect on the full amount, he's probably going to be open to a trade as opposed to just 2/3's of it plus whatever he can get on the open market. Callahan would be more difficult to buy out with three years remaining but not impossible.

Buyout window is usualy after the draft and expansion draft will be before the normal draft so buyout can't happen.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Buyout window is usualy after the draft and expansion draft will be before the normal draft so buyout can't happen.

Buyout window begins 48 hours after the Stanley Cup Finals is complete or June 15 whichever is later so yeah it can happen. Not only can it happen...it probably will happen because the expansion protection lists won't be due until June 17th so there will probably be a two day window where they can buy someone out to impact their lists.

 

[PetterssonSimp]

I don't know what the Canucks could give up that would be too much for Kucherov. Pretty sure Juolevi and Virtanen wouldn't be enough. Maybe if he added Tanev to that, but I'm still unsure. Kucherov has been a top 20 forward in the league the passed two seasons

A one year deal just under the two 1st's and more offer sheet threshold is the only thing a Canucks team can offer to acquire Kuch.
I'd do it myself, as this is a usual tactic I use in EA Be A GM, create some tough decisions in Tampa now rather than later at the expansion draft. If they keep him, they can't trade him for anything, his contract is one season long and would be high enough to put them over the cap NEEDING to shed cap before the season.
But this is still an old boys group of General Managers in the NHL so nothing will happen, there will be low ball offers, Yzerman will come out and say the plan was to wait for Kuch to sign at a reasonable rate all along and put it on Kuch as the "Bad Guy"

 

[TampaJay]

Really kind of headscratching he let Kucherov go this long.

This is order of the moves Izodman made this offseason:

Extended Paquette
Extended JT Brown
Extended Stamkos
Extended Hedman
Extended Vasilevsky
Extended Gudlevskis
Extended Killorn
Extended Namestikov

-Kucherov TBD

This list leaves out the first and the real mistake. Tampa had two UFAs this summer. SY should have waited to learn Stamkos’ decision before he re-signed Coburn. If Stamkos leaves, then sign Coburn. If he stays let Coburn walk. That would have solved all his cap issues for this year.

 

[markog]

Buyout window begins 48 hours after the Stanley Cup Finals is complete or June 15 whichever is later so yeah it can happen. Not only can it happen...it probably will happen because the expansion protection lists won't be due until June 17th so there will probably be a two day window where they can buy someone out to impact their lists.

True, I have mistaken that for free agent period when players can talk with other teams a week before July 1.

 

[Todd1a]

This list leaves out the first and the real mistake. Tampa had two UFAs this summer. SY should have waited to learn Stamkos’ decision before he re-signed Coburn. If Stamkos leaves, then sign Coburn. If he stays let Coburn walk. That would have solved all his cap issues for this year.

Stevie gave up a 1st, 3rd and gudas the plan all along was to get coburn signed and 3.7 cap hit is a steal for coburn

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

Oilers should really try and grab Kucherov. Dangerous around the net where he can get the rebounds and passes from McDavid.

 

[135ace]

If I'm in Tampa's shoes I try to send Callahan packing. I mean his NMC will screw them during the expansion draft, and he's arguably on one of the worst contracts in the league with his current production.

Maybe they can get him to waive his NMC to go to NJ and package him with a 1st rounder. I don't see the Devils sending anything back. Hell, if we didn't have infinite cap room I wouldn't even do it, but there's really no way we won't have the space for his contract so why not pick up a late 1st.

On a different note, I'd love to see the Devils offer sheet Kucherov.

 

[TampaJay]

If I'm in Tampa's shoes I try to send Callahan packing. I mean his NMC will screw them during the expansion draft, and he's arguably on one of the worst contracts in the league with his current production.

Maybe they can get him to waive his NMC to go to NJ and package him with a 1st rounder. I don't see the Devils sending anything back. Hell, if we didn't have infinite cap room I wouldn't even do it, but there's really no way we won't have the space for his contract so why not pick up a late 1st.

On a different note, I'd love to see the Devils offer sheet Kucherov.

As a big Cally fan I think his down year was due to his hip injury and he will bounce back after surgery. But who knows. If I were Yzerman I would give up a 1st to move him if that is what it took to sign Kucherov. I don’t see NJ doing it – at least not until he proves he is back to a minimum of a 40 point guy, and I don’t think Cally would waive.

 

[Killer Orcas]

Oilers should really try and grab Kucherov. Dangerous around the net where he can get the rebounds and passes from McDavid.

The last thing the Oilers need is another scorer they have plenty of those too many really. Defense is all they are lacking and maybe some bottom 6 defensive centre.

 

[TampaJay]

The last thing the Oilers need is another scorer they have plenty of those too many really. Defense is all they are lacking and maybe some bottom 6 defensive centre.

We do have a defensive centre for you, and a pass first play maker who played 2C all the way to the game 7 of the ECF. And, he speaks the language of your latest top pick… would be a great mentor. Am I selling this too hard? The only reason we need to move him is to sign Kucherov. He will come at a reasonable price. You just have to convince him to waive his NMC.

I should add, in his entire 10 year career in the NHL, he has made the playoffs every year. Wouldn’t that be a good omen?