Confirmed with Link: Kravtsov requests trade

[Lindberg Cheese]

Lets take a look back to the other 1st round draft pick that acted like this. Lias Anderson. When we gave him his wish and traded him to LA did he become a productive player?

I just hope the guy isn’t playing videos games all night anymore and getting some good sleep and oh yeah his feet are ok too

 

[mas0764]

Perhaps

Hard eh

Sure, shame he's an entitled brat though

It is a shame. Kravtsov takes blame.

But the Rangers have the power here, and they have the power to make this better.

It mostly is about them swallowing their pride. I expect more from the billion dollar organization than the 21 year old kid.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Why should we want to keep and develop our elite prospects?

Cause winning a Cup kinda depends on having elite talent.

If he was really elite teams would be knocking down our door to trade for him.

 

[Tob]

 

[NickyFotiu]

It is a shame. Kravtsov takes blame.

But the Rangers have the power here, and they have the power to make this better.

It mostly is about them swallowing their pride. I expect more from the billion dollar organization than the 21 year old kid.

The kid left the organization. Nobody kicked him out or locked him out. If he wants to come back he should apologize and come back.

 

[egelband]

Really great fashion sense. This team just gets uglier and uglier over the years. We lose Henrik, Skjei, Howden, and Kravtsov. Not seeing an end to this rebuild tbh.

So this team needs a makeover, not a rebuild.

 

[2014nyr]

There is absolutely no comparison between the NFL and NHL in terms of development and drafting. It's apples and hamburgers.

Only MLB surpasses the fail/success rate of the NHL. NFL has the highest. 4th and 5th round picks in the NFL draft are still quite valuable. In the NHL, not so much. In the NFL you are turning out hundreds of plausible productive players every single year, not so in the NHL. It's completely different and much has been written about this.

So, I seriously do not think you can use an NFL team as an example.

Now look at this teams track record over the last 8 seasons or so. Who have they developed? Only Fox, who they didn't draft, Shesterkin, who was developed overseas by the time he arrived in the NHL, Lindgren and Chytil have been successful. That is an absolutely pitiful record.

Yet guys like JT Miller, Pionk, maybe Andersson, are thriving elsewhere and soon Buch and Blackwell probably. And likely Krav wherever he goes. This organization has been putrid at developing prospects. And pretty much everything else we have right now, outside of the prospects who haven't yet been ruined, we paid for.

And it has nothing to do with falling in love. Kravtsov clearly has the talent. He's 21, so I take attitude issues with a grain of salt. I speculate he was disrespected by the organization more than we even know. He's simply too good a prospect, with too high a ceiling and too important to the organization to act at the organization has done in this situation and other situations.

Laf and Kakko have been far from successful so far. If either one of them fail and we do not have Kravtsov as a back up, whom I think stands a very good chance of being a better offensive player than Kakko, this club could be in a lot of trouble and this rebuild could fail terribly.

The only winner here will be Kravtsov and the team he ends up on.

this is so backwards...nhl teams don't "develop" players. you think they're teaching kids to skate or teaching them how to catch a pass on their backhand? they'll scout and provide feedback before they arrive but thats about it.

by your definition of development the rangers would be among the best in the league, other teams just reap the benefits. also one of the best at identifying talent. nhl teams can screw up by bringing kids to the pros too early where they're in over their head. they can damage a kid by having a poor culture that cultivates the wrong habits. a kid won't be set back by having to wait for his opportunity in the role he wants. vancouver didn't teach jt miller how to play hockey, he just got into a role he didn't get here...because av was to stubborn or stupid to see he was light years better than brad richards. wpg didn't teach pionk anything, he was a good young player here who kept improving there.

kravtsov was handed a 3rd line spot and it was universally acknowledged thoroughly beaten out by gauthier. yea its a tough draw he ended up being in an org one of the best top 6 wingers in the league...dumb luck we get 2 lotto picks behind him with no brainer picks and both play wing. i do think he could have taken kreiders spot at some point this year but he wasn't starting there, and he did nothing to show he should be there to date. seriously you think the rangers screwed up his development? he's a basket case. oh you didn't get your way? tough tits buddy welcome to life. i don't like paying taxes but i do because i live over here in reality.

the kid needs therapy not a pp role. a normal rational person unhappy with whats in front of him and being practical about it would go to the ahl and speak privately to mgmt about wanting to get an opportunity elsewhere. not such a tough sell, not an easy lineup to break into. show you're committed to being here and your ability and probably happens quickly. orrr you know about a week later a top 6 role emerges and all of a sudden you get a chance to show you belong. how anyone can look at this and say the rangers shoulda just put him on the nhl roster to keep him happy is mindblowing. this is now the second time about 5 mins after he got news he didn't like he walked out on his team and flew halfway across the world over it. thats the response of a petulant child. you think that just goes away? yea, but just until the next time he hears something he doesn't want to.

i was as high on him as anyone up through this preseason...but he can kick rocks.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Really great fashion sense. This team just gets uglier and uglier over the years. We lose Henrik, Skjei, Howden, and Kravtsov. Not seeing an end to this rebuild tbh.

When the team posted a slideshow of our players pics this comment made me die lol

Here are some more doozies lol

Seriously though, I do think looks play a big role in success in life and also on the ice. You know how they say the taller candidate wins almost every election? The more handsome team wins almost every cup final. When I construct teams in Chel I definitely take looks into account and I think this is something we’ve lost sight of in our rebuild.

 

[ViD]

Panarin hides his receding hairline but Shestyorkin? That hairstyle is pure garbage

 

[EdJovanovski]

Panarin hides his receding hairline but Shestyorkin? That hairstyle is pure garbage

LOL to be fair that is a pretty bad pic of Panarin too. He’s a bit odd, like I could definitely see people finding him goodlooking but I could also see them finding him ugly. He has a very unique look. He’s one of the most charismatic players in the league and has a swagger to him so I think it makes him look better though. He also has beautiful flow.

Shesterkin on the other hand idk, I like when a player has flow that sticks out of their helmet. Panarin’s is arguably the best in the league, but I think Shesterkin’s head is just too bulbous shaped to pull off slicked back hair. He should fade the sides and have some sort of length to the top, needs some form of bangs because of that head shape imo

 

[Idlerlee]

When the team posted a slideshow of our players pics this comment made me die lol

Here are some more doozies lol

Seriously though, I do think looks play a big role in success in life and also on the ice. You know how they say the taller candidate wins almost every election? The more handsome team wins almost every cup final. When I construct teams in Chel I definitely take looks into account and I think this is something we’ve lost sight of in our rebuild.

I can't help but appreciate how people still find it perfectly acceptable to mock mens bodyshapes so openly. Imagine if this forum thread was discussing women. It would be moderated immediately.

 

[JHS]

So now that we are about 2 weeks into the season and the team has had multiple opportunities to call up Kravtsov (if he was still in the organization) can we safely say that he’s no longer even a viable option under any conditions to play for the Rangers? If that’s, in fact true, it’s time to move on. He’s quickly falling into Tony D territory.

I’ll also just add that in order for a situation to spiral this far this quickly, Kravtsov must have never really been in love with North America or the organization. It’s very easy to dismiss an opportunity if you don’t view it as such.

 

[RangerBoy]

The situation is delicate as is, what you’re describing would do no favors for either side.

When there’s a fire clearly the best course of action is to dump gasoline on it

if he doesn’t get traded in the short term I suspect they’ll loan him to his KHL team similar to what they did with Andersson. Having him sit does nothing for either side

The kid gloves treatment hasn't worked. Let him sit out the season. He knew the consequences of his decision.

 

[RangerBoy]

That the Rangers are here with Kravtsov, the ninth pick in 2018, may come as a surprise to those outside the organization but perhaps not as much to those on the inside, who have witnessed a stubborn young prospect and his AHL general manager-turned-NHL GM butt heads early and often since he was drafted.
According to multiple league sources, the friction between Kravtsov and Chris Drury dates back to October 2019. Kravtsov didn’t make the Rangers out of camp as a 19-year-old and didn’t enjoy his first stay in AHL Hartford. He exercised the out clause in his contract to return to the KHL, where he’d played the prior two seasons.
Sources say that when Kravtsov went to retrieve his gear and say his goodbyes to Wolfpack teammates and staff, Drury told Kravtsov that he’d “quit” on the team.
Kravtsov would ultimately return to the organization and to Hartford less than two months later after a mediocre KHL stint. He joined the Rangers in the Toronto bubble for the team’s brief 2020 playoff appearance and there was, again according to multiple sources, an incident between Kravtsov and Drury in which the young forward was dressed down by the then-assistant GM for not working hard enough. That happened on the ice in full view of teammates.
Kravtsov also missed the bus from the team hotel to the rink one day in the Toronto bubble, which led to further frustration in the organization, according to two people who were there.

Sources indicated that a few NHL teams have inquired about Kravtsov — more so to get an understanding of the situation than to see what the Rangers’ price in a trade might be — and a move does not appear imminent at this point. It would be farfetched to think that all that’s gone on between player and organization would make one of the 31 other GMs leap at the chance to acquire Kravtsov and want to surrender any asset worth having to get him. Not now, anyway. And certainly the longer this stalemate goes, the more teams will forget that Kravtsov might have something to offer them.
Kravtsov has returned to the Rangers fold before, so perhaps he will reconsider his position. That doesn’t appear likely at the moment.

Nice work by Arthur.

Kravtsov left for the KHL on October 25. He didn't even give it a chance to work.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Staples article signals to me Drury has an ego the size of NY to think he could work things out here. When you have multiple incidents with a player, why even continue to play with fire?

Just move him and be done with it

Again he was in the room making decisions when Lias and DeAngelo happened, how many times does the team need to get bitten in the ass before you stop and think “hmm maybe this can’t be fixed and we should move on”?

 

[Jim Ramsay]

Nice work by Arthur.

Kravtsov left for the KHL on October 25. He didn't even give it a chance to work.

So I cant read the article without paying, but I did see in there that Drury actually confronted VK the first time he went back to the KHL and told him he quit on his team? I never knew that before

 

[NYRFAN218]

I wonder how much of this info was out there in hockey circles. Obviously in hindsight the move was to trade him but who knows what was being offered and how much teams knew.

 

[mas0764]

Staples article signals to me Drury has an ego the size of NY to think he could work things out here. When you have multiple incidents with a player, why even continue to play with fire?

Just move him and be done with it

Again he was in the room making decisions when Lias and DeAngelo happened, how many times does the team need to get bitten in the ass before you stop and think “hmm maybe this can’t be fixed and we should move on”?

Drury comes off as someone not qualified for the position of GMing a rebuilding team that needs to acquire more talent.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Nice work by Arthur.

Kravtsov left for the KHL on October 25. He didn't even give it a chance to work.

Staples article signals to me Drury has an ego the size of NY to think he could work things out here. When you have multiple incidents with a player, why even continue to play with fire?

Just move him and be done with it

Again he was in the room making decisions when Lias and DeAngelo happened, how many times does the team need to get bitten in the ass before you stop and think “hmm maybe this can’t be fixed and we should move on”?

Maybe he couldnt get fair value for Kravsotv, but either way after that first incident I would've been packing his bags - I agree.

Im still pissed at Kravy for being a little unprofessional baby bitch. Drury was in the right to challenge the player but yeah, you get the sense that this whole thing was mis-managed from an asset pov afte reading that.

Not happy about this.

 

[Rempe73]

I can't help but appreciate how people still find it perfectly acceptable to mock mens bodyshapes so openly. Imagine if this forum thread was discussing women. It would be moderated immediately.

There is no body acceptance for men haha. Never was. Never will be.

But calling Kravtsov Frankenstein? Come on.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Yeah this is why Bobrov got the boot lol.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Drury comes off as someone not qualified for the position of GMing a rebuilding team that needs to acquire more talent.

I wouldnt say he is unqualified by any means. Maybe a little too headstrong.

If he has a focused idea of the type of player he wants on this team and Kravstov obviously didnt fall into that category, he should have moved on from him months ago.

This is a little concerning

 

[Trxjw]

I don't think it's an ego thing with Drury. I think it's a "Why can't you just think like I do?" thing. Drury is a worker. He made a career out of working his ass off every night and gave his body up to be an NHLer. I think the disconnect is that he can't connect with a player who simply gets by on talent. Similar to the way great players generally don't make great coaches. Drury is going to have to figure out his approach to dealing with kids who have inflated egos, or the org is just going to have to stay away from them entirely. Drury put too much faith in a kid to mature quickly and here we are.

Kravtsov walked (again) as soon as things didn't go his way. This goes far beyond Bobrov telling him what he wants to hear. This is a kid who refuses to put in the work. It's not at all surprising that the league-wide interest in him is minimal.

The Rangers are at fault for investing in this kid and not punting on him earlier when it was very, very clear that he was a problem.

The rest is on Kravtsov.

 

[Hockey Gamer]

great, we have lookism and heightism being addressed here. this feels like an Incel forum. yuck.

 

[Idlerlee]

There is no body acceptance for men haha. Never was. Never will be.

But calling Kravtsov Frankenstein? Come on.

Yes men don't have bodyimage issues 100%