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He should get a chance in the NHL.



This question has been answered like a thousand times. He hasn’t earned it. Blais is better right now for a third line spot.

And I couldn’t care less. Blais isn’t the future of this team. Kravtsov could be. Kravtsov should get first dibs regardless of what he’s earned.

Of course you don’t start with that approach, but if it’s between sticking to your outdated approach of taking the hardline and losing an elite prospect, or maybe making an exception for once, you make the damn exception and try to help the kid mature in other ways.

Giving top minute spots to guys that are not earning them does not sound like a great policy or how to build a winning environment. Earning spots is an outdated approach? Does Tampa just give spots regardless production and/or conditioning? Are they outdated?
 
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Lets take a look back to the other 1st round draft pick that acted like this. Lias Anderson. When we gave him his wish and traded him to LA did he become a productive player?
 
Lets take a look back to the other 1st round draft pick that acted like this. Lias Anderson. When we gave him his wish and traded him to LA did he become a productive player?
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This has nothing to do with a lack of talent on Kravtsov's part. And his attitude is certainly not enough to deny his ability and ceiling. It's just something that needs to be dealt with appropriately and I am not sure if the Rangers have done that in this scenario.

Gorton did a great job drafting, but the team did a terrible job developing until very recently. The only area where Gorton really drafted poorly is at Center, for whatever reason. But you can't look at the Rangers prospect pool at the end of his tenure and suggest he did a bad job. Now, taking on or handing out bad contracts, that's a completely different story. But so far, I wouldn't exactly say Drury has been better, all be it in a brief period of time. He appears overly obsessed with gritty depth players, even at the expense of superior talent. And while we definitely needed to add some grit and physicality to the team, we absolutely did not need all of Goodrow, Blais, Reaves and Hunt. 2 of those 4 would have been more than enough, especially considering we had Rooney, Gauthier and Barron is close to ready. And Blais came at the expense of our best RW, Buch. Buch, who would have still been our best RW this season and the way things are going, would have probably been our best RW in 3 years from now. And Kravtsov was and still is a "top" prospect. This idea that he's not is pure post hoc conjecture.

So, "this Russian kid thinks a lot of himself" is enough to not draft one of the better wing prospects in the draft class?

I don't mean to be a jerk, but that sentence must come up ALL the time in scouting and for a good chunk of top prospects. And not just Russians. But there are cultural differences too, where I think there is more a sense of self pride and maybe egoism, not sure if that's the right word, maybe just overdeveloped self confidence, in the former Eastern Block.

I think we saw it from Radulov early on after he was drafted and Kaprizov who's eventually proved WHY. But we've seen it from other players like Laine as well, who's from neighboring Finland or Tony D who's from NJ. And usually, that isn't enough to completely prevent a prospect from developing and becoming high end NHL players. Also, it's usually something that dissipates to an extent with maturity and age.

As far as "liking the picks" or "not scouting appropriately" that's absolute BS. At BEST, NHL scouting is still a crapshoot. There isn't one scout, GM or coach who has a successful record. Just meaning every single scout, coach and GM will have a higher failure rate than success rate. Kravtsov might not have been everyone's choice, but there was and is no doubt he has the talent to warrant a selection in the 1st half of the draft. Whether he works out or not is a different story. But players drafted fail way more than succeed in terms of having a complete NHL career, let alone becoming a top 6 player. Whether it's the 1st round, 2nd or beyond.

Anyway, the more news that comes out, the less this seems a wholly Kravtsov issue as opposed to an organization issue. Is Kravtsov narcissistic and egotistical? Probably. But that doesn't automatically mean he's unreasonable or self destructive.

Again, there's more than meets the eye here. His issue seems to be specifically with Rangers upper management and not simply with his own self worth.

A look deeper into Gallant's career as a head coach is interesting. He's been let go twice, from Florida and Vegas, after having a few years of successful runs. And both organizations have shown the ability to be successful after his departure. In each case, including his stint in Columbus, he's been fired within the first half of his 3rd season with that team. Which after 3 occasions can be considered a pattern. There is something to be said about his inability to remain with teams for more than 2 full seasons, even when they are performing at a relatively high level. And the question needs to be asked, is this a "Gallant issue" or just a very odd coincidence that repeated itself 3 times in a row? Why can't he keep a job for more than 2 full seasons?

And Drury well, there's not a whole lot we can tell right now. This being his first role as a GM. But in the brief time he's been GM, I wouldn't exactly say he's been "impressive" or done anything to make me say "great move". In fact, aside from maybe the Goodrow and Reeves acquisitions, all his other moves have been at best TBD and at worst questionable to mediocre.

So putting this all on Kravtsov or even mostly on Kravtsov, right now at least, I think is very premature and unfair. Yes, ideally he would have accepted a stint at Hartford. But a lot went on here, some things we certainly are not privy to and clearly a few players that made the roster had worse preseasons or at least didn't "earn" their roster spot.

I agree that every pick is not going to work out.

But I disagree that things do get missed by some scouts.

Go read about Jimmy Johnson and how he built the Dallas Cowboys. They hit on almost every draft pick because of the layers of work they put in on scouting and researching players.

Look I know all about falling in love with players. I did that a couple of times when I was in the minor leagues. But what I learned was what is on my signature line. You can't fall in love with hockey players.

Whatever Drury said in the past was exactly what you would expect a number two guy to say.
 
I agree that every pick is not going to work out.

But I disagree that things do get missed by some scouts.

Go read about Jimmy Johnson and how he built the Dallas Cowboys. They hit on almost every draft pick because of the layers of work they put in on scouting and researching players.

Look I know all about falling in love with players. I did that a couple of times when I was in the minor leagues. But what I learned was what is on my signature line. You can't fall in love with hockey players.

There is absolutely no comparison between the NFL and NHL in terms of development and drafting. It's apples and hamburgers.

Only MLB surpasses the fail/success rate of the NHL. NFL has the highest. 4th and 5th round picks in the NFL draft are still quite valuable. In the NHL, not so much. In the NFL you are turning out hundreds of plausible productive players every single year, not so in the NHL. It's completely different and much has been written about this.

So, I seriously do not think you can use an NFL team as an example.

Now look at this teams track record over the last 8 seasons or so. Who have they developed? Only Fox, who they didn't draft, Shesterkin, who was developed overseas by the time he arrived in the NHL, Lindgren and Chytil have been successful. That is an absolutely pitiful record.

Yet guys like JT Miller, Pionk, maybe Andersson, are thriving elsewhere and soon Buch and Blackwell probably. And likely Krav wherever he goes. This organization has been putrid at developing prospects. And pretty much everything else we have right now, outside of the prospects who haven't yet been ruined, we paid for.

And it has nothing to do with falling in love. Kravtsov clearly has the talent. He's 21, so I take attitude issues with a grain of salt. I speculate he was disrespected by the organization more than we even know. He's simply too good a prospect, with too high a ceiling and too important to the organization to act at the organization has done in this situation and other situations.

Laf and Kakko have been far from successful so far. If either one of them fail and we do not have Kravtsov as a back up, whom I think stands a very good chance of being a better offensive player than Kakko, this club could be in a lot of trouble and this rebuild could fail terribly.

The only winner here will be Kravtsov and the team he ends up on.
 
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He was also a true generational talent and the Flyers traded half a team to get him. If your point is that some athletes are dicks, and you have to deal with that, then okay; otherwise I'm not sure I understand the comparison.

My point was that it seems like a lot of people think Kravtsov will fail because he's a brat, when the two things aren't correlated at all.
 
You know who else was a brat? Eric Lindros. Total bust that guy.
Yes they are totally comparable. The only differences are:
Lindros was the #1 pick expected to be a superstar.
Lindros was a mountain of a 19 year old kid at 6-4 235 and in phenomenal shape.
Lindros clearly earned his spot on Philly.
Lindros 27 points in his first 20 games while Krav scored 4 points in his first 20 games
Otherwise they are exactly the same.
 
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My Kravtsov take is, yes, he's acting like a brat, he shouldn't do that. BUT, this is the second year in a row players not as good as him are playing ahead of him, so I understand why he's upset. But don't act like a brat. Even still, I don't want him to get traded, and I find it hard to believe players will have a problem with him coming back, so get some retired vet to act like an intermediary between management and Kravtsov and try to get Kravtsov ready to be the next man up, which he should have been with the Kaako injury, anyway.
 
Wow, elite? I just don't see it.

How could the player he describes not be #1 in the Rangers prospect pool for the last several years? He was at best an honorable mention in all of the redrafts.

I thought he was a nifty player with a lot of skill and was eager to see him come over but I never expected anything elite from him, especially his defense and physical presence.

If he is that good then teams should be knocking down Drury's door for a deal to be made. We have 5 teams rumored. 5.
Well we shall see. To me, that’s a lot of teams for a player with supposed character issues.
 
Yes they are totally comparable. The only differences are:
Lindros was the #1 pick expected to be a superstar.
Lindros was a mountain of a 19 year old kid at 6-4 235 and in phenomenal shape.
Lindros clearly earned his spot on Philly.
Lindros 27 points in his first 20 games while Krav scored 4 points in his first 20 games
Otherwise they are exactly the same.

I'm not about to compare Kravy with Lindros, but to be fair Lindros didn't play under 10 minutes a night with Howden and whoever-the-f*** else was on that 4th line for David Quinn.
 
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lol, Kravy vs Lindros. This convo is jumping the shark.
Yes, people can be bratty and succeed but a better indicator of success would be being a 1st OA point-per-game wrecking ball.
If Howden and McKegg played with a young Lindros, they'd each have 60+ point seasons. That's how good Lindros was in his prime.
 
Why?

Again this all comes off as "I like this prospect so I think he should be getting all the icetime no matter what"
People usually want accountability until it's someone they like and suddenly it's all the excuses

Why should we want to keep and develop our elite prospects?

Cause winning a Cup kinda depends on having elite talent.
 
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My point was that it seems like a lot of people think Kravtsov will fail because he's a brat, when the two things aren't correlated at all.

you can be an asshole when you’re damn good. He just forgot the damn good part.

he hasn’t proved nearly enough to make demands. I think that’s everyone’s issue. Whether he’s a dick or not doesn’t really matter in the long run, so long as you work through the short run.
 
Giving top minute spots to guys that are not earning them does not sound like a great policy or how to build a winning environment.

In general, no. That's why I said to make an exception.

Earning spots is an outdated approach?

Clinging to hard line notions like everyone has to put in their time, pay their dues, accept a demotion like a man, etc, is outdated. We live in an era where professional athletes get coddled and special treatment all the time.

Realizing Kravtsov was beaten out/not in shape enough to earn a top 9 spot, but still saying "You know what? You will crater if we send you down, maybe we should stretch our 'earn it' policy a little here and let you stay with the big club at the expense of Dryden Hunt," is not gonna cause us to have a losing environment. That's ridiculous.
 
I agree that every pick is not going to work out.

But I disagree that things do get missed by some scouts.

Go read about Jimmy Johnson and how he built the Dallas Cowboys. They hit on almost every draft pick because of the layers of work they put in on scouting and researching players.

Look I know all about falling in love with players. I did that a couple of times when I was in the minor leagues. But what I learned was what is on my signature line. You can't fall in love with hockey players.

Whatever Drury said in the past was exactly what you would expect a number two guy to say.

Actually Jimmy Johnson knew he wouldn't hit on every pick, his strategy was to flood his system with picks, picks and more picks. He shipped out the Chris Kreiders of the Dallas Cowboys because he knew players like that weren't the key to winning long term.

Which is what we should have continued to do.
 
Why should we want to keep and develop our elite prospects?

Cause winning a Cup kinda depends on having elite talent.
Honestly, I feel like the case has been made at least 2 dozen times that this isn’t exactly reality.

Unless Craig Button ranking him the best prospect in hockey like 3 years ago is what we’re going off of.
 
Honestly, I feel like the case has been made at least 2 dozen times that this isn’t exactly reality.

Unless Craig Button ranking him the best prospect in hockey like 3 years ago is what we’re going off of.

I mean, he's a top 6 talent and possibly a top line talent.

And we have no one else even close to him in the minors.

And plenty of room long term on the roster.

He's kind of a necessity.
 
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I'm not about to compare Kravy with Lindros, but to be fair Lindros didn't play under 10 minutes a night with Howden and whoever-the-f*** else was on that 4th line for David Quinn.
Neither did Krav, Krav was playing over 12 minutes a game.
 
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