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I stated earlier, I can understand why he might be frustrated. ... wondering is if there are issues in the locker room...

frustrated is one thing, quitting on team is another

certainly the reports that Bobrov over-promised elevation to NHL contributed, if true

but i do thing he got poor guidance (or ignored better guidance)

but also, i do thing the series of events - Lias, Tony D, now Krav - may indicate that the 'leadership group' is not 'leading' effectively

and if management didn't treat his demotion differently than others/Barron's, with some private chat on why and that they still had strong faith in him,
that was at best naive and perhaps negligent
 
So you want to cut your nose off to spite your face? I like it!!! Count me in!!!
Cut off what nose? A 2nd round pick or random reclamation project doesn't move the needle. "Assets" are incredibly overrated here.
 
Gauthier -Libor H and Tinordi would also likely all be plucked off of waivers if exposed which was what most thought in preseason ....most had Hunt around 50/50. They wanted Tinordi around for at least the first few games Caps/Isles as they did not know what to expect . We could have had a donnybrook in those games and lost guys to either injury or suspension . The only guy we had as waiver safe was VK .and the management likely knew it was just a timing thing until they got past these opening games and /or until Drury worked out a trade for possibly one of these guys rather than losing them being placed on waivers . Drury was doing what was best for the club...attempt to get an asset for somebody rather than losing one for nothing....VK was a bit impatient and put himself ahead of the club in his little team versus VK hissy fit . Thirty days would not have killed somebody who only had to swallow a bit of pride . Entitled kids....


LOL... It's a good think Sam Pollock was or is not our GM right now ....he was and always will be known as the GM who stockpiled picks like VK ....and it certainly worked out well for him and the Habs. Cups upon Cups....So...lets let our GM do his work .
 
Who needs Kravtsov, seriously when you have Laf and Kakko.....

(A few days later) - "Kakko to IR".

Well, what are the chances?

This team is one blunder away from drafting Shane Wright..... which would actually be progress. But I am sure we could figure out a way to alienate him too.
 
Who needs Kravtsov, seriously when you have Laf and Kakko.....

(A few days later) - "Kakko to IR".

Well, what are the chances?

This team is one blunder away from drafting Shane Wright..... which would actually be progress. But I am sure we could figure out a way to alienate him too.

3 years later, Wright wants a trade because he cant beat Rooney and Mckegg on the depth chart.
 
Remember when Jonathan Drouin was doing something similar back in 2016? Tampa didn't trade him for peanuts. They reconciled, let him play for a year where he put up 53 points in 73 games and then traded him for Mikhail Sergachev, a top-4 defenseman. A defenseman who was an integral part of their 2 Cup wins, by the way.

I know people don't want to hear this, and this doesn't change the fact that Kravtsov has himself to blame for the situation he's in, but it's in Rangers best interest if they reconcile, up his value and then trade him for something useful next year instead of letting him sit out in Russia, and settling for a 2nd rounder.

That said: f*** Kravtsov for not reporting.

IMO, we have a strong enough core of vets now to insulate the team and let this play out like TB did. At this point let the kid hang with the big boys and sit him in the stands if someone else takes his minutes. No AHL, no "what's best for him longterm" development, just produce or you sit. Put the onus on him and hope he increases his trade value or, matures and values the locker room and begs to stay.
 
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I think one of the logical conclusions is that Bobrov did not do enough homework on the players selected before recommending them to senior management. The responsibility still rests with the (deposed) GM and the (reassigned) scouting director who I know did travel to Europe to see the players but the deep on site scouting responsibility belonged to Bobrov and his underlings. Character background is a very important part of scouting. It's pretty obvious that box was not properly checked.

It's also very possible (in fact perhaps likely) that Drury did not like the picks. Neither did a lot of those who post here. Yes, other teams also liked the players but that does not mean their scouting work was done properly either.

In short, we may have settled on one of the real reasons Gorton was fired.
 
It's also very possible (in fact perhaps likely) that Drury did not like the picks
Idk about the Andersson pick but it was mentioned last week Drury was one of the ones who went to see Kravstov multiple times prior to that draft and was one of the higher ups pushing for them to take Kravstov

It’s convenient for people to use Gorton and Bobrov as the fall guys but this pick has Drury’s finger prints all over it.
 
I think one of the logical conclusions is that Bobrov did not do enough homework on the players selected before recommending them to senior management. The responsibility still rests with the (deposed) GM and the (reassigned) scouting director who I know did travel to Europe to see the players but the deep on site scouting responsibility belonged to Bobrov and his underlings. Character background is a very important part of scouting. It's pretty obvious that box was not properly checked.

It's also very possible (in fact perhaps likely) that Drury did not like the picks. Neither did a lot of those who post here. Yes, other teams also liked the players but that does not mean their scouting work was done properly either.

In short, we may have settled on one of the real reasons Gorton was fired.
In theory, I agree with this. The only problem I see with this is the bolded, which as far as I understand simply isn't true. At least in terms of Kravtsov, Drury went to Russia as AGM to scout Kravtsov himself and according to the Bobfather himself on the night of the draft, he said live on air that Drury was the one to fall in love with his skill set when scouting him and pushed for the Rangers to take him. That line, even years later, has stuck with me.
 
Idk about the Andersson pick but it was mentioned last week Drury was one of the ones who went to see Kravstov multiple times prior to that draft and was one of the higher ups pushing for them to take Kravstov

It’s convenient for people to use Gorton and Bobrov as the fall guys but this pick has Drury’s finger prints all over it.
I'd have to think that getting inside off ice info on and of the family of young Russian kids and even deeper into their ever changing personality traits is not an exact science by any means because of many things and reasons . Drury might have whiffed on him...that is possible and we certainly whiffed on Lias for sure . Not every pick will be a home run by any means .
 
I think one of the logical conclusions is that Bobrov did not do enough homework on the players selected before recommending them to senior management. The responsibility still rests with the (deposed) GM and the (reassigned) scouting director who I know did travel to Europe to see the players but the deep on site scouting responsibility belonged to Bobrov and his underlings. Character background is a very important part of scouting. It's pretty obvious that box was not properly checked.

It's also very possible (in fact perhaps likely) that Drury did not like the picks. Neither did a lot of those who post here. Yes, other teams also liked the players but that does not mean their scouting work was done properly either.

In short, we may have settled on one of the real reasons Gorton was fired.

This has nothing to do with a lack of talent on Kravtsov's part. And his attitude is certainly not enough to deny his ability and ceiling. It's just something that needs to be dealt with appropriately and I am not sure if the Rangers have done that in this scenario.

Gorton did a great job drafting, but the team did a terrible job developing until very recently. The only area where Gorton really drafted poorly is at Center, for whatever reason. But you can't look at the Rangers prospect pool at the end of his tenure and suggest he did a bad job. Now, taking on or handing out bad contracts, that's a completely different story. But so far, I wouldn't exactly say Drury has been better, all be it in a brief period of time. He appears overly obsessed with gritty depth players, even at the expense of superior talent. And while we definitely needed to add some grit and physicality to the team, we absolutely did not need all of Goodrow, Blais, Reaves and Hunt. 2 of those 4 would have been more than enough, especially considering we had Rooney, Gauthier and Barron is close to ready. And Blais came at the expense of our best RW, Buch. Buch, who would have still been our best RW this season and the way things are going, would have probably been our best RW in 3 years from now. And Kravtsov was and still is a "top" prospect. This idea that he's not is pure post hoc conjecture.

So, "this Russian kid thinks a lot of himself" is enough to not draft one of the better wing prospects in the draft class?

I don't mean to be a jerk, but that sentence must come up ALL the time in scouting and for a good chunk of top prospects. And not just Russians. But there are cultural differences too, where I think there is more a sense of self pride and maybe egoism, not sure if that's the right word, maybe just overdeveloped self confidence, in the former Eastern Block.

I think we saw it from Radulov early on after he was drafted and Kaprizov who's eventually proved WHY. But we've seen it from other players like Laine as well, who's from neighboring Finland or Tony D who's from NJ. And usually, that isn't enough to completely prevent a prospect from developing and becoming high end NHL players. Also, it's usually something that dissipates to an extent with maturity and age.

As far as "liking the picks" or "not scouting appropriately" that's absolute BS. At BEST, NHL scouting is still a crapshoot. There isn't one scout, GM or coach who has a successful record. Just meaning every single scout, coach and GM will have a higher failure rate than success rate. Kravtsov might not have been everyone's choice, but there was and is no doubt he has the talent to warrant a selection in the 1st half of the draft. Whether he works out or not is a different story. But players drafted fail way more than succeed in terms of having a complete NHL career, let alone becoming a top 6 player. Whether it's the 1st round, 2nd or beyond.

Anyway, the more news that comes out, the less this seems a wholly Kravtsov issue as opposed to an organization issue. Is Kravtsov narcissistic and egotistical? Probably. But that doesn't automatically mean he's unreasonable or self destructive.

Again, there's more than meets the eye here. His issue seems to be specifically with Rangers upper management and not simply with his own self worth.

A look deeper into Gallant's career as a head coach is interesting. He's been let go twice, from Florida and Vegas, after having a few years of successful runs. And both organizations have shown the ability to be successful after his departure. In each case, including his stint in Columbus, he's been fired within the first half of his 3rd season with that team. Which after 3 occasions can be considered a pattern. There is something to be said about his inability to remain with teams for more than 2 full seasons, even when they are performing at a relatively high level. And the question needs to be asked, is this a "Gallant issue" or just a very odd coincidence that repeated itself 3 times in a row? Why can't he keep a job for more than 2 full seasons?

And Drury well, there's not a whole lot we can tell right now. This being his first role as a GM. But in the brief time he's been GM, I wouldn't exactly say he's been "impressive" or done anything to make me say "great move". In fact, aside from maybe the Goodrow and Reeves acquisitions, all his other moves have been at best TBD and at worst questionable to mediocre.

So putting this all on Kravtsov or even mostly on Kravtsov, right now at least, I think is very premature and unfair. Yes, ideally he would have accepted a stint at Hartford. But a lot went on here, some things we certainly are not privy to and clearly a few players that made the roster had worse preseasons or at least didn't "earn" their roster spot.
 
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He was given a chance.

He should get a chance in the NHL.

Why should Kravtsov just be given top 6 or top 9 minutes? I 100% want this kid to be great but I'm asking what has he done to earn them? Last season he played over 12 minutes a game. 20 games-4 points-minus 6

This question has been answered like a thousand times. He hasn’t earned it. Blais is better right now for a third line spot.

And I couldn’t care less. Blais isn’t the future of this team. Kravtsov could be. Kravtsov should get first dibs regardless of what he’s earned.

Of course you don’t start with that approach, but if it’s between sticking to your outdated approach of taking the hardline and losing an elite prospect, or maybe making an exception for once, you make the damn exception and try to help the kid mature in other ways.
 
I's have to think that getting inside off ice info on and of the family of young Russian kids and even deeper into their ever changing personality traits is not an exact science by any means because of many things and reasons . Drury might have whiffed on him...that is possible and we certainly whiffed on Lias for sure . Not every pick will be a home run by any means .
Oh I agree not every pick is going to work out

I’m just saying I’m certainly not absolving Drury in this situation. It’s not like he’s a new to the team and became GM. He’s been in that room shaping the organizations decisions for a while now.

So he’s not getting a pass, he’s getting blame for these situations
 
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He should get a chance in the NHL.



This question has been answered like a thousand times. He hasn’t earned it. Blais is better right now for a third line spot.

And I couldn’t care less. Blais isn’t the future of this team. Kravtsov could be. Kravtsov should get first dibs regardless of what he’s earned.

Of course you don’t start with that approach, but if it’s between sticking to your outdated approach of taking the hardline and losing an elite prospect, or maybe making an exception for once, you make the damn exception and try to help the kid mature in other ways.

Based on what? I am not sure Blais is at all a legit 3rd liner let alone better than Kravtsov. Did Hunt and Gauthier earn their roster spots? Miller and Hajek? The answer is no. At least, they were not better than Kravtsov in preseason. Krav didn't light it up, but to suggest he was significantly worse than other guys who made the roster is just BS. Even Laf I would say, wasn't great in preseason but you no there's no chance they'd even consider sending him to Hartford.
 
Oh I agree not every pick is going to work out

I’m just saying I’m certainly not absolving Drury in this situation. It’s not like he’s a new to the team and became GM. He’s been in that room shaping the organizations decisions for a while now.

So he’s not getting a pass, he’s getting blame for these situations
I still think as a good GM you put the needs of the team over the needs/wants of an individual/rookie especially since he was the only guy that could be sent down without fear of being taken from us for nothing . Depth wins championships....it might seem like a reach right now....but I think he did the right move in the long run for the club and they will get through this and I am also of the thinking he knew that he might have to cross this bridge if VK balked . Anyways...we definitely all have our opinions on the subject and who knows at this time who is right or wrong ? It will play out .....if we win 2-3 cups in the next 8 years...nobody will care. Stay positive .
 
He should get a chance in the NHL.

Why?

Again this all comes off as "I like this prospect so I think he should be getting all the icetime no matter what"
People usually want accountability until it's someone they like and suddenly it's all the excuses
 
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