Confirmed with Link: Kravtsov requests trade

[Mike in Houston]

I'd have to go re-read it, but wasn't the dressing down when Drury was GM of Hartford?

Apparently it was in the playoff bubble.

 

[NYR Viper]

Reading peoples comments the past few pages about Drury I think I finally get it. I was too young to remember Drury the player. I think some people must have an admiration for him when he was a player here, he was even our captain. I had no idea lol. So people may emotionally side with him even when he is a horrible GM. It’s like if one of my favorite players like Buch or Lundqvist became GM one day, I may have a hard time objectively criticizing their moves because I like the person so much. I don’t remember Drury the player, he was introduced to me as Drury the GM.

Edit; About Kravtsov’s ego, I think we need someone with that kind of ego. We have too many beta’s, Kakko and Laf don’t play like they think they’re the best. Kravtsov legitimately thinks he’s the best player on the planet, he’s willing to try pulling off moves and plays that Laf & Kakko couldn’t dream of. We need that overconfidence. Laf has it a bit but he still tries to play way too safe and just do the right things on the ice instead of taking risks and creating more offense

Kravtsov has had issues with not (1), but (2) GM's. Gorton AND Drury. At some point, we need to follow the evidence and realize that, maybe, it's the player.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I'd have to go re-read it, but wasn't the dressing down when Drury was GM of Hartford?

the quote was in Toronto.
That implies the bubble. Kratsov never played in toronto as a member of Hartford. Remember when we went to the bubble, Kratsov and Miller came in to practice with the team even though they couldn’t play.
Also still not for the GM to do. That’s for the coach to do.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Kravtsov has had issues with not (1), but (2) GM's. Gorton AND Drury. At some point, we need to follow the evidence and realize that, maybe, it's the player.

Do we know that he had any issues with gorton ? Because it could be that Drury caused all the issues himself but gorton shouldered the blame as GM?

 

[Machinehead]

Reading peoples comments the past few pages about Drury I think I finally get it. I was too young to remember Drury the player. I think some people must have an admiration for him when he was a player here, he was even our captain. I had no idea lol. So people may emotionally side with him even when he is a horrible GM. It’s like if one of my favorite players like Buch or Lundqvist became GM one day, I may have a hard time objectively criticizing their moves because I like the person so much. I don’t remember Drury the player, he was introduced to me as Drury the GM.

Edit; About Kravtsov’s ego, I think we need someone with that kind of ego. We have too many beta’s, Kakko and Laf don’t play like they think they’re the best. Kravtsov legitimately thinks he’s the best player on the planet, he’s willing to try pulling off moves and plays that Laf & Kakko couldn’t dream of. We need that overconfidence. Laf has it a bit but he still tries to play way too safe and just do the right things on the ice instead of taking risks and creating more offense

Most people hated Drury as a player.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Kravtsov has had issues with not (1), but (2) GM's. Gorton AND Drury. At some point, we need to follow the evidence and realize that, maybe, it's the player.

You could also say our team has had issues with several players, most drama in the league. But based on that article and stuff it seems like the problem was always between Drury & Kravtsov, it said the issue was with him as AGM of Hartford

 

[Ruggs225]

Most people hated Drury as a player.

I know i did!

but he was a very hard worker and overachiever. I will give him that.

that is why he probably is so tough on kids like Krav who have all the talent in the world but not the effort. It probably pisses him off bc he had to work and fight for every inch bc he wasnt the most talented, but he for the most out of his talents.

 

[Trxjw]

Most people hated Drury as a player.

Hated him because he got overpaid as a UFA by the Rangers, sure. Not sure what was inherently dislikeable about him as a player though.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

It really sounds like Drury took this one personally.

Airing all this dirty laundry BEFORE moving Kravtsov is just so inexplicably dumb. Unforced error.

Completely unimpressed with Drury so far.

 

[Lion Hound]

I have to laugh at some of the comments on Chris Drury. On Twitter and here. Specifically people calling Chris Drury's Character. Now adding that he also mishandled Lias Andersson. Sorry...I'm going to call bullshit here.

Chris Drury, is an 11 year NHL veteran. Has a Stanley Cup ring. He was an NHL Captain. A 3X Olympian, A 2X Olympic Silver Medalist. A National Championship. A Hobey Baker Award. A Calder Trophy. Most Goals ever in the history of the BU Mens Ice hockey program.

Maybe...Just maybe, he's a guy that a 19 yr old, or a 20 year old might want to listen to. These kids were just about to break into a career with the the F'n NY Rangers. In both scenarios after the players were sent down, other players got injured. They would have likely been the next call up and if...IF they seized the opportunity, they likely would have stuck around with the team. IMO both players couldn't see through the trees here.

The whole thing stinks of Entitlement.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

You could also say our team has had issues with several players, most drama in the league. But based on that article and stuff it seems like the problem was always between Drury & Kravtsov, it said the issue was with him as AGM of Hartford

I don't think he was all buddy buddy with JG either.

Drury chewed him out and rightfully so. Maybe he shouldn't have done it in front of the entire team but at the end of the day, Krav is the one who allowed it to impact him negatively. Thats on NO one but himself.

The article paints Krav in a pretty terrible light, MUCH worse than it does so with Drury.

 

[McRanger92]

Wishes he took it back? Why the f*** is an AGM dressing down any player? That’s the coaches job.
Where was Quinn in this?

You think Quinn had any kind of handle on that locker room? And i agree that Drury should not have done that, but considering Kravtsov missed the team bus to a game he knew he wasnt playing in, doesnt that kind of prove Drury's point.

Idk, it seems to me like VK wasn't willing to do the bare minimum to earn a spot.

 

[smoneil]

Reading peoples comments the past few pages about Drury I think I finally get it. I was too young to remember Drury the player. I think some people must have an admiration for him when he was a player here, he was even our captain. I had no idea lol. So people may emotionally side with him even when he is a horrible GM. It’s like if one of my favorite players like Buch or Lundqvist became GM one day, I may have a hard time objectively criticizing their moves because I like the person so much. I don’t remember Drury the player, he was introduced to me as Drury the GM.

Edit; About Kravtsov’s ego, I think we need someone with that kind of ego. We have too many beta’s, Kakko and Laf don’t play like they think they’re the best. Kravtsov legitimately thinks he’s the best player on the planet, he’s willing to try pulling off moves and plays that Laf & Kakko couldn’t dream of. We need that overconfidence. Laf has it a bit but he still tries to play way too safe and just do the right things on the ice instead of taking risks and creating more offense

I hated the Drury signing. Didn't think much of him during his time here and thought his leadership was way overrated. I tend to like more fiery leaders on a team. So it's definitely not that with me.

As for Kravtsov's ego, any NHL player is going to have a certain degree of egotism. You almost have to to even get to that level. But there's a fine line between confidence and arrogance. The former is necessary to succeed. The latter will usually make you fail.

As for the new narrative trotted out to save Kravtsov's reputation, am I to understand that some of you are now saying that "getting yelled at by his boss"--and not just that, but getting yelled at by your boss a full year ago--is acceptable justification for violating a signed contract and storming home? Seriously? Have any of you ever HAD a job? I got chewed out by a Dean last year for not filing a piece of paperwork by the deadline. It wasn't his job to do that--it was the department chair's, and on top of that, I had actually filed the stupid form two weeks prior (his data was out of date). Not only did I not go home demanding to be traded to another university, but I hung out with the Dean at the last tailgate. Bosses yell sometimes. Sometimes it's justified, other times not so much. If he thinks that's going to be different with ANY other team, then Krav is delusional.

 

[McRanger92]

I have to laugh at some of the comments on Chris Drury. On Twitter and here. Specifically people calling Chris Drury's Character. Now adding that he also mishandled Lias Andersson. Sorry...I'm going to call bullshit here.

Chris Drury, is an 11 year NHL veteran. Has a Stanley Cup ring. He was an NHL Captain. A 3X Olympian, A 2X Olympic Silver Medalist. A National Championship. A Hobey Baker Award. A Calder Trophy. Most Goals ever in the history of the BU Mens Ice hockey program.

Maybe...Just maybe, he's a guy that a 19 yr old, or a 20 year old might want to listen to. These kids were just about to break into a career with the the F'n NY Rangers. In both scenarios after the players were sent down, other players got injured. They would have likely been the next call up and if...IF they seized the opportunity, they likely would have stuck around with the team. IMO both players couldn't see through the trees here.

The whole thing stinks of Entitlement.

All of NYR Twitter hates Drury because he traded Buchnevich, this incident is just being used to further the confirmation bias. I dont want to be Drury yes-man because he shoulders blame for letting this linger and not adequately addressing the RW depth, but this is a non-issue if Kravtsov just played in HFD over the weekend.

 

[TheDirtyH]

Drury was a 3rd round pick who won the Calder on a very deep Colorado team that won the cup. He was never a huge scorer but on buffalo he was a top end goal scorers and stayed in the league as long as he did by making adjustments and playing a shutdown game throughout. Drury was really underwhelming relative to his paycheck but he wasn't somebody who ever looked like he was coasting. Callahan several times listed him as an important mentor and inspiration, and I imagine he had as much to do with the attitude of that 2011-12 team as Torts did.

I don't know the details of the conversations he had with Kravtsov, but he's the boss--was then in the AHL too. He's allowed to be hard on guys and make demands of them. The notion--raised by staple from sources-- that Kravtsov would take Buchnevich being traded as some kind of message to him is also more evidence to me that this is a kid who expects the seas to part for him. At the end of the day of Kucherov isn't too good to have played in the AHL, Kravtsov certainly isn't. And I don't see it as a drury ego trip if he as general manager tells his player that.

Kravtsov would have a leg to stand on if he ever did go to the AHL and perform well, but he didn't. That's either because he didn't care to try or because he wasn't good enough. Either way you slice it, that's not an NHL player.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

And to be clear...completely agree that the root cause lies with the player here just as it did in previous situations like LA and ADA.

But to get pennies on the dollar for a 7OA, 9OA, and a player w DeAngelo's production is just so beyond frustrating and reeks of top to bottom incompetence. Draft interviews, keeping track of the player as they are in the org, communication to players and externally, ability to finagle trades vs other GMs etc.

Other orgs may have had information on issues with these guys (to varying degrees...DeAngelo obviously I'm sure was 100% known). But there is no reason the NYR org shouldn't have a better read on their own players, earlier, than at least what, the 1-5 teams in the league needed to facilitate a reasonable deal? It's so frustrating to see this franchise just repeatedly piss away assets.

 

[will1066]

So done with this kid. Just send him a six-pack of Bart Simpson underpants and let him be on his way to oblivion.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Kravtsov said he had no idea what a Little League World Series was and Drury hated him from that very moment

 

[EdJovanovski]

So done with this kid. Just send him a six-pack of Bart Simpson underpants and let him be on his way to oblivion.

LMAO

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

It really sounds like Drury took this one personally.

Airing all this dirty laundry BEFORE moving Kravtsov is just so inexplicably dumb. Unforced error.

Completely unimpressed with Drury so far.

Right??

Like you’re actively trying to move this kid and someone is leaking out all this negative shit. I guess you could argue other teams might have already been aware of these issues but still.

I see no benefit in the Rangers leaking this stuff, unless it’s not from them, which is possible

 

[IDvsEGO]

You think Quinn had any kind of handle on that locker room? And i agree that Drury should not have done that, but considering Kravtsov missed the team bus to a game he knew he wasnt playing in, doesnt that kind of prove Drury's point.

Idk, it seems to me like VK wasn't willing to do the bare minimum to earn a spot.

I dont think Quinn had any handle on the locker room. We know that.
But that doesn't mean the AGM steps in.
That means you either get the players to step in (like apparently buch was doing), or you fire the coach and get someone else to.
This kid was a top 10 pick.
You literally had babcock who right when he was going to be fired, it was released that he humiliated marner, a top 5 pick. Babcock is still unable to coach again.

 

[will1066]

I have to laugh at some of the comments on Chris Drury. On Twitter and here. Specifically people calling Chris Drury's Character. Now adding that he also mishandled Lias Andersson. Sorry...I'm going to call bullshit here.

Chris Drury, is an 11 year NHL veteran. Has a Stanley Cup ring. He was an NHL Captain. A 3X Olympian, A 2X Olympic Silver Medalist. A National Championship. A Hobey Baker Award. A Calder Trophy. Most Goals ever in the history of the BU Mens Ice hockey program.

Maybe...Just maybe, he's a guy that a 19 yr old, or a 20 year old might want to listen to. These kids were just about to break into a career with the the F'n NY Rangers. In both scenarios after the players were sent down, other players got injured. They would have likely been the next call up and if...IF they seized the opportunity, they likely would have stuck around with the team. IMO both players couldn't see through the trees here.

The whole thing stinks of Entitlement.

Kravtsov said he had no idea what a Little League World Series was and Drury hated him from that very moment

I was going to address that 800-pound elephant of Little League World Series being missing among Drury's accolades in Lion Hound's post.

 

[nyr2k2]

Reading peoples comments the past few pages about Drury I think I finally get it. I was too young to remember Drury the player. I think some people must have an admiration for him when he was a player here, he was even our captain. I had no idea lol. So people may emotionally side with him even when he is a horrible GM. It’s like if one of my favorite players like Buch or Lundqvist became GM one day, I may have a hard time objectively criticizing their moves because I like the person so much. I don’t remember Drury the player, he was introduced to me as Drury the GM.

Drury was not particularly popular here. Whether it was the "not going to ruin our Christmas/weekend," the perceived poor performance and failure to live up to the contract he was stupidly offered, or the way his tenure ended with a lot of people thinking he was only trying to come back so that we couldn't buy him out...he just wasn't popular, at all. I don't think anyone has particularly fond memories of him the player. And most people have been crapping on him nonstop since the Bunchnevich trade and/or Goodrow deal, so, I'm not really sure why you think that there's some significant amount of people who are defending him because he was some beloved Ranger. He just wasn't. In general I'd say he was really disliked by most.

 

[New York RKY]

Drury was not particularly popular here. Whether it was the "not going to ruin our Christmas/weekend," the perceived poor performance and failure to live up to the contract he was stupidly offered, or the way his tenure ended with a lot of people thinking he was only trying to come back so that we couldn't buy him out...he just wasn't popular, at all. I don't think anyone has particularly fond memories of him the player. And most people have been crapping on him nonstop since the Bunchnevich trade and/or Goodrow deal, so, I'm not really sure why you think that there's some significant amount of people who are defending him because he was some beloved Ranger. He just wasn't. In general I'd say he was really disliked by most.

Your explanation was boring and top heavy.

 

[RickChartraw]

Lmao.

That Devil fan is a f***ing loser and a half though.

i was so confused....that's the one poster on the entire board I put on ignore. couldn't figure why i was seeing him again.