Confirmed with Link: Kravtsov requests trade

[Cag29]

And to be clear...completely agree that the root cause lies with the player here just as it did in previous situations like LA and ADA.

But to get pennies on the dollar for a 7OA, 9OA, and a player w DeAngelo's production is just so beyond frustrating and reeks of top to bottom incompetence. Draft interviews, keeping track of the player as they are in the org, communication to players and externally, ability to finagle trades vs other GMs etc.

Other orgs may have had information on issues with these guys (to varying degrees...DeAngelo obviously I'm sure was 100% known). But there is no reason the NYR org shouldn't have a better read on their own players, earlier, than at least what, the 1-5 teams in the league needed to facilitate a reasonable deal? It's so frustrating to see this franchise just repeatedly piss away assets.

Great points but in Anderson’s case we got Cuylle for him. Cuylle is probably going to be way better than Lias.

 

[Fireonk]

Reading peoples comments the past few pages about Drury I think I finally get it. I was too young to remember Drury the player. I think some people must have an admiration for him when he was a player here, he was even our captain. I had no idea lol. So people may emotionally side with him even when he is a horrible GM. It’s like if one of my favorite players like Buch or Lundqvist became GM one day, I may have a hard time objectively criticizing their moves because I like the person so much. I don’t remember Drury the player, he was introduced to me as Drury the GM.

Oh the sweet, sweet irony of you calling out people being emotionally clouded by Drury (swing and a miss on how people viewed the Drury era no less) after your reactions to how your favorite players have been treated recently.

 

[BBKers]

I told You all There was More to This. And all is not outta the bag - yet.

 

[NYRFAN218]

Drury was not particularly popular here. Whether it was the "not going to ruin our Christmas/weekend," the perceived poor performance and failure to live up to the contract he was stupidly offered, or the way his tenure ended with a lot of people thinking he was only trying to come back so that we couldn't buy him out...he just wasn't popular, at all. I don't think anyone has particularly fond memories of him the player. And most people have been crapping on him nonstop since the Bunchnevich trade and/or Goodrow deal, so, I'm not really sure why you think that there's some significant amount of people who are defending him because he was some beloved Ranger. He just wasn't. In general I'd say he was really disliked by most.

Who knows if the boards even go back that far anymore but I can't even begin to count how many Captain Cash comments there were anytime Drury played his final 2 years. I can't remember a player as prominent that was as actively hated as he was for the Rangers in such a long time for this team (even more so than Staal and Girardi).

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Drury was not particularly popular here. Whether it was the "not going to ruin our Christmas/weekend," the perceived poor performance and failure to live up to the contract he was stupidly offered, or the way his tenure ended with a lot of people thinking he was only trying to come back so that we couldn't buy him out...he just wasn't popular, at all. I don't think anyone has particularly fond memories of him the player. And most people have been crapping on him nonstop since the Bunchnevich trade and/or Goodrow deal, so, I'm not really sure why you think that there's some significant amount of people who are defending him because he was some beloved Ranger. He just wasn't. In general I'd say he was really disliked by most.

But being too young to remember 10 years ago explains a lot.

 

[McRanger92]

I dont think Quinn had any handle on the locker room. We know that.
But that doesn't mean the AGM steps in.
That means you either get the players to step in (like apparently buch was doing), or you fire the coach and get someone else to.
This kid was a top 10 pick.
You literally had babcock who right when he was going to be fired, it was released that he humiliated marner, a top 5 pick. Babcock is still unable to coach again.

I dont think this situation is applicable to the Babcock/Marner stuff, that went beyond just calling a young player out. If we learn more that paints Drury in a negative light, my opinion will change. But right now, calling Kravtsov out twice (accurately by the looks of it) and having the audacity to send him to the minors for conditioning after an injury, i dont think Drury is as inept as hes being made out to be

 

[nyr2k2]

But being too young to remember 10 years ago explains a lot.

LOL that's true.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

And to be clear...completely agree that the root cause lies with the player here just as it did in previous situations like LA and ADA.

But to get pennies on the dollar for a 7OA, 9OA, and a player w DeAngelo's production is just so beyond frustrating and reeks of top to bottom incompetence. Draft interviews, keeping track of the player as they are in the org, communication to players and externally, ability to finagle trades vs other GMs etc.

Other orgs may have had information on issues with these guys (to varying degrees...DeAngelo obviously I'm sure was 100% known). But there is no reason the NYR org shouldn't have a better read on their own players, earlier, than at least what, the 1-5 teams in the league needed to facilitate a reasonable deal? It's so frustrating to see this franchise just repeatedly piss away assets.

I have to agree.

If it was just one isolated scenario regarding just say - Kravstov - then you could chalk it up to a marriage gone wrong.

I dont know whats going on but I agree its very frustrating, especially considering had even one of these 2 first rounders become an integral part of the current roster as well as another potential roster piece for ADA - we would probably have even more true depth. Especially the miss on Andersson from the center depth issue. Guys like Hunt, Gauthier, Tinordi and McKegg wouldn't even sniff this roster.

 

[nyr2k2]

Who knows if the boards even go back that far anymore but I can't even begin to count how many Captain Cash comments there were anytime Drury played his final 2 years. I can't remember a player as prominent that was as actively hated as he was for the Rangers in such a long time for this team (even more so than Staal and Girardi).

Captain Cash. Jesus I forgot all about that.

Yeah, he was not liked around here. I don't think the Garden crowd disliked him quite as much, but we're talking about HF and on these boards he was basically hated. I mean you had some of us that would defend him against those that hated him the first couple seasons because he wasn't producing (when he was basically hitting his career averages), but that was basically it. No one else had anything nice to say. LOL.

 

[McRanger92]

I have to agree.

If it was just one isolated scenario regarding just say - Kravstov - then you could chalk it up to a marriage gone wrong.

I dont know whats going on but I agree its very frustrating, especially considering had even one of these 2 first rounders become an integral part of the current roster as well as another potential roster piece for ADA - we would probably have even more true depth. Especially the miss on Andersson from the center depth issue. Guys like Hunt, Gauthier, Tinordi and McKegg wouldn't even sniff this roster.

Seems like the old regimes talk about "character" was mostly BS imo. Totally whiffed on their evaluations of Andersson/Kravtsov who were reaches to begin with, gave Tony D a big contract, knowing that he was causing friction in the locker room, and buying out a franchise icon to keep Georgiev who weve heard nothing but whispers about him being a malcontent.

The focus on this team needs to get back to whats happening on the ice. There has been far too much bullshit off it, and that task falls on Drury for better or worse

 

[EdJovanovski]

 

[NickyLongLegz]

Assuming he was kept to be a piece in a potential trade for Eichel or Larkin before reaching a contract with Zib. That being said, this kid seems like a loser and I dont want him on the team. The issue is we traded Buch and now have legit zero RW depth.

I wonder what would happen if Krav is traded to another team and can’t crack the top 9 and his new coach or gm tells him he needs to work on his conditioning. Interested in seeing how this saga plays out.

 

[will1066]

Wishes he took it back? Why the f*** is an AGM dressing down any player? That’s the coaches job.
Where was Quinn in this?

"I had nothing to do with the Vitaliy situation. In all honesty, I was pretty preoccupied at the time thinking of new ways to limit Kaapo's minutes."

 

[New York RKY]

"I had nothing to do with the Vitaliy situation. In all honesty, I was pretty preoccupied at the time thinking of new ways to get those pictures back from Brett Howden."

Minor correction.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

I told You all There was More to This. And all is not outta the bag - yet.

Something like this

 

[will1066]

Minor correction.

Haha. That's good

 

[RGY]

I told You all There was More to This. And all is not outta the bag - yet.

Umm do tell.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Drury was not particularly popular here. Whether it was the "not going to ruin our Christmas/weekend," the perceived poor performance and failure to live up to the contract he was stupidly offered, or the way his tenure ended with a lot of people thinking he was only trying to come back so that we couldn't buy him out...he just wasn't popular, at all. I don't think anyone has particularly fond memories of him the player. And most people have been crapping on him nonstop since the Bunchnevich trade and/or Goodrow deal, so, I'm not really sure why you think that there's some significant amount of people who are defending him because he was some beloved Ranger. He just wasn't. In general I'd say he was really disliked by most.

I loved when we got Drury because he always came up big against us and he was a winner. I'd be lying if I said there isn't a little residual feeling in that regard. I wasn't exactly pissed he was taking over as GM. I don't think we can completely judge him on his job as of yet, but it hasn't been stellar on the surface. We will see how this team evolves.

However, going back to his playing days there was something that stood out to me that is hard to forget.

He took some shots to the head and had a few concussions with both the Sabres and the Rangers, in addition to his knee issues. When he came back after recovering from the last concussion he was in complete self preservation mode. He avoided contact, especially open ice collisions and it was really obvious to see. He was really taking some shifts off - and as a captain it was a little tough to stomach. And then that "weekend" comment. It was pretty pathetic.

Now you can't really blame him completely for that - he went out and tried to fulfill his contract - but it was half assed and the Rangers knew it and bought out his final 2 seasons. At the time the research on concussions was improving and we knew a little more about how multiple concussions in succession and the time between each have a direct affect on the healing process. But he really went out of his way at the end there to avoid any physicality, which was very un-Drury like. He was not, in anyway going to sacrifice himself for the team.

Now some can argue that it was a bad look for him considering what kind of team he wants to build here, a little hypocritical for sure. Not that Kravy had any of these issues but more so surrounding the expectations he attaches to players. If the same thing happened today, would he rather see someone retire than go through the motions and "quit on the team"?

Because that's what it looked like to me...

 

[gravey9]

Drury can be blamed for the asset management piece. As can Gorton, JD and Bobrov.

But it's arguable what Kravy's value was the minute he left the team two seasons ago. It's also arguable whether last year improved his value league wide or only for us fans. We don't know. We don't know the reality of the situation amongst hockey circles.

This idea that we need to roast Drury for not moving him over the summer because Kravtsov's value was higher before he walked out on the team again, it's a belief backed up by nothing. It's an assumption based on the idea that his value right now couldn't be lower. But that doesn't mean two months ago it was higher. The hockey world is pretty tiny. Players, staff, they switch teams constantly. They have relationships everywhere. Stuff gets around very quickly.

So, while I blame the organization for bad asset management, that blame has its limits. The real issue is in drafting a guy like this in the first place. They bet on skill. Kravy would have made the team by now if we didn't win two lotteries in a row and taken more highly touted wingers. The whole situation was different in 2018. So maybe gambling on talent in that situation was a worthy gamble. I dunno. But the minute Kravy walked out on the team the year Kakko was drafted sunk his value. Like there was literally no patience on Kravy's part. I'm curious to know if anyone in scouting around the league knew Kravy would be that impatient and entitled? If so, then this issue is on the previous administration.

As much as I am not in love with Chris Drury as GM so far, it's for other reasons. It's not this situation. (Unless other information surfaces that changes my opinion). I have zero issue with him calling out Kravy for walking out on his team. That is a truthful statement and I don't really care that he did it in front of the other players. It's what they were all already thinking anyway. Someone needs to get through to Vitali.

And lastly -- we don't know what the strategy was in the front office. Were Gorton and JD trying to be good cop and asked Dru to be bad cap? We just don't know.

 

[JCProdigy]

Rangers still have a bevy of good prospects and if we need a top 6 player have the assets and the cap space to get one.

Really the disappointment about Kravtsov is just disappointment about Kakko and Lafreniere, who, relative to their draft classes are still performing right where they were slotted, but aren't superstars at the moment. If they were, none of us would care about Kravtsov at this point.

It's a bummer to swing and miss on two top ten picks back to back, but Colorado selected Tyson Just at 10OA, teams whiff, and there were many who doubted MacKinnon after years of being a good but not great player. I'm still optimistic.

Yep. Look the Rangers rebuild success will ultimately depend on Laf and Kakko becoming top line players which unfortunately is still in doubt as it's coming along slower than many would like.

While it sucks and makes threading the needle on success harder, it's not unprecedented for SC winning teams to get little to nothing out of multiple top 10 picks on their way to that success. Of course they all hit big on multiple top 10s as well, hence why Laf and Kakko need to pan out.

Hawks - Kane(1), Toews(3) YAY! Skille(7), Barker (3) NAY!

Kings - Doughty (2) Brown (13), Kopitar (11) Great drafting! Hickey (4), Tukonen (11), Bernier (11) ...not so much. Also didn't get anything out of Schenn (5) before trading him for Mike Richards who did play a prominent role on the '12 SC team.

Pens - Crosby (1), Malkin (2) God tier players. Whitney (5) whiff, Jordan Staal (2) nice 3rd liner, Fluery (1) Drafted a goalie 1OA! ...and we know how people feel about that.

The almighty S tier GM Stevie Y - Connelly(6), Koekkoek(10). Also had Drouin (3) not come back and played in the AHL he wouldn't have received what he did in the trade. Further, he must not have gotten the memo to know about possible attitude problems when he drafted ADA at 19 and dumped him for a 2nd round pick who became everybody's favorite, Hajek.

It's not what you want. This situation and the way it was handled is concerning but it's not a death knell to the franchise's hopes.

 

[smoneil]

Captain Cash. Jesus I forgot all about that.

Yeah, he was not liked around here. I don't think the Garden crowd disliked him quite as much, but we're talking about HF and on these boards he was basically hated. I mean you had some of us that would defend him against those that hated him the first couple seasons because he wasn't producing (when he was basically hitting his career averages), but that was basically it. No one else had anything nice to say. LOL.

Yup. And then the vitriol spiked again when he, despite clearly not being able to play anymore (because of his leg? Knee? Something like that), forced the team to buy him out rather than retiring when we were in a cap crunch.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Something like this
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Kakko in the background

 

[sbjnyc]

Chris Drury, is an 11 year NHL veteran. Has a Stanley Cup ring. He was an NHL Captain. A 3X Olympian, A 2X Olympic Silver Medalist. A National Championship. A Hobey Baker Award. A Calder Trophy. Most Goals ever in the history of the BU Mens Ice hockey program.

Don't forget little league world series champion.

 

[Bluto]

I don't like that Drury is as involved in the locker room as recent articles imply. I can understand why Kravtsov doesn't want to play for Drury if he has verbally berated him in front of the whole team. That's a behind closed doors conversation for the coach and the player, not the GM. GM's need to stay the f*** out of the room.

 

[smoneil]

I told You all There was More to This. And all is not outta the bag - yet.

I don't have an Athletic subscription anymore. Did the article reveal anything other than what's been mentioned in this thread? Because thus far, all that's come out is that Kravtsov got yelled at by his boss a couple of times. That's not a shocking revelation. That's just something that literally happens to everyone in every job ever. It literally happened in the last Astros/Red Sox game (Cora yelled at Eduardo Rodriguez--in front of the whole stadium and on national television--for showboating. Rodriguez, shockingly, didn't bail on the team and go home. Rather, they were hugging it out within about 40 seconds). If not, what "more" is there to be revealed? Did someone accidentally park in Kravtsov's parking space or take his lunch from the break room!? OH THE HUMANITY! BACK TO MOTHER RUSSIA WHERE SUCH CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY ARE RARE! Kid needs to grow up and realize that no NHL GM is going to let him make his own rules because his daddy's rich.