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Kords said:
Alot of this has to do with assumptions you're making, which is fair because thats pretty much all we can do without knowing details. But their are assumptions to be made that he wasn't given a fair chance despite you wanting the kid to walk up-hill in the snow to practice both ways because "that's the way it has to be".

Since leaving the first time he has done everything that was asked of him, he was all but promised a spot this year and then got shafted. If he feels betrayed by the FO, I can understand why. It's not apples to apples, you can't compare his situation to all rookies trying to make camp. For all you know his teammates think so to. You can't let assumptions drive a narrative.

And as far as sending the message that "he's special and your not", you mean like they did with Kakko to Kravtsov in his first year? How is that fair? It's not, but it happens every year across the league like it or not.

I feel like all these points are being repeated from both sides of the argument, so I don't really wanna keep talking circles. However that's usually a sign that things could of been handled better by both sides, and fwiw one side is an emotional kid and the other is a pro sports gm who is supposed to be tasked with knowing better.
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I agree, both sides have made mistakes. What is pretty clear is that he just won't magically appear on the big club without spending some time in the A which I don't think he will agree to.
 
Kravtsov isn't a kid. He's 21. He'll be 22 in a couple months. He's been a full-time player in the the best professional leagues for several years. He has an agent (if not agents on both sides of the ocean), likely some informal advisors, and a wealthy, educated family all to help him make informed decisions. Sure, there is emotional development left for him, I have no doubt, but he's not "just some emotional kid." He's a f***ing adult at this point who should be held accountable for his actions.

It seems like some around here think he has like diminished capacity or something. The kid is no dummy, with the support system he has I have no doubt his decisions are intentional, and he fully understands the likely fallout from them.
 
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nyr2k2 said:
Kravtsov isn't a kid. He's 21. He'll be 22 in a couple months. He's been a full-time player in the the best professional leagues for several years. He has an agent (if not agents on both sides of the ocean), likely some informal advisors, and a wealthy, educated family all to help him make informed decisions. Sure, there is emotional development left for him, I have no doubt, but he's not "just some emotional kid." He's a f***ing adult at this point who should be held accountable for his actions.

It seems like some around here think he has like diminished capacity or something. The kid is no dummy, with the support system he has I have no doubt his decisions are intentional, and he fully understands the likely fallout from them.
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21 is still a kid IMO. I was in college banging cocktail waitresses 2 at a time back then. I thought I knew it all and in reality I didn't know shit.
 
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PuckLuck3043 said:
21 is still a kid IMO. I was in college banging cocktail waitresses 2 at a time back then. I thought I knew it all and in reality I didn't know shit.
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Well that's cool. You think your life experience is comparable to his? Did you have agents and advisors guiding you on how to handle your multi-million dollar future? Had you been living as a top-tier professional athlete for several years? Come on.
 
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NYSPORTS said:
so he’s the same age as NFL kids who get drafted and have played college opponents who appear equal or better than most of these hockey so-called professional leagues. He’s a kid
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I don't remember anyone writing off my indiscretions at 21 because I was a kid. In fact, it was quite the opposite.

Writing this kind of shit off as him just being a kid does a huge disservice to all his peers that are his age or younger and handle themselves in a mature, professional manner.
 
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Only way he gets back on the team is if he goes to Hartford to 'earn it'. I highly doubt they'd just let him play in the big league.
 
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nyr2k2 said:
Well that's cool. You think your life experience is comparable to his? Did you have agents and advisors guiding you on how to handle your multi-million dollar future? Had you been living as a top-tier professional athlete for several years? Come on.
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oh stop - an agent accelerates the maturity of a kid? If agents were so influential we wouldn’t see the majority of athletes broke financially.
 
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I think they should cut bait. I mean really. What's going to be different this time around if the two sides can agree to move forward together? They'll just break up again. It's a pattern at this point.
 
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nyr2k2 said:
Well that's cool. You think your life experience is comparable to his? Did you have agents and advisors guiding you on how to handle your multi-million dollar future? Had you been living as a top-tier professional athlete for several years? Come on.
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No, I did not but at 21 I wouldn't consider him a mature adult. He's still young and immature IMO.
 
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nyr2k2 said:
I don't remember anyone writing off my indiscretions at 21 because I was a kid. In fact, it was quite the opposite.

Writing this kind of shit off as him just being a kid does a huge disservice to all his peers that are his age or younger and handle themselves in a mature, professional manner.
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So at 21 you had the maturity of a professional? Amazing. Professionals usually rely on experience to mold them yet you didn’t need any of that. You were born an adult. Congrats
 
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If Kakko is out I put him in Kakko's spot to pump up his value and send him, Jones and another piece for Larkin. Or similar thing involving LAK centers.
 
… I don’t think @nyr2k2 is saying that being 21 means you’re fully mature and immune to bad decisions. It means that age is not an excuse for them. We were all young and dumb at 21, but we were also damn sure going to be held responsible - as an adult - if we did something truly stupid. Kravtsov’s petulant behavior shouldn’t be written off and excused because he’s “just a kid”. He may not be fully mature but he has enough experience and mental faculty, not to mention professional advisors, to know that these tantrums won’t help his career in NA.
 
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NYSPORTS said:
oh stop - an agent accelerates the maturity of a kid? If agents were so influential we wouldn’t see the majority of athletes broke financially.
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What age is he no longer a kid? At what point does, oh, he's 21, 22, 23, not serve as a blanket excuse for being a dumbass? Again, he's been a professional athlete for several years. He has a support system in place that most of us never even dreamed of. Does that magically make him fully mature? Of course not. But if the professional wants to be treated like an adult then he needs to act like an adult. He has everything he needs to make rational, informed decisions. If he can't or won't, that's on him. He doesn't get a free pass when other guys his age who face adversity overcome it on a f***ing daily basis.
NYSPORTS said:
So at 21 you had the maturity of a professional? Amazing. Professionals usually rely on experience to mold them yet you didn’t need any of that. You were born an adult. Congrats
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How on earth did you reach that conclusion from my post? Come on. I said mistakes that I made at 21--and I sure did make some--were not excused by anyone because I was 21. Why should we write off this guy's bad decisions because he's 21? You may be young but by that age you need to start being held accountable for the things you do.
 
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… I don’t think @nyr2k2 is saying that being 21 means you’re fully mature and immune to bad decisions. It means that age is not an excuse for them. We were all young and dumb at 21, but we were also damn sure going to be held responsible - as an adult - if we did something truly stupid. Kravtsov’s petulant behavior shouldn’t be written off and excused because he’s “just a kid”. He may not be fully mature but he has enough experience and mental faculty, not to mention professional advisors, to know that these tantrums won’t help his career in NA.
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Yes, correct. Thank you.
 
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NYSPORTS said:
what the heck is wrong with this organization?

Game 1 last year DeAngelo
Game 1 this year Krav

Buch, Krav and TDA = what in return? A 3rd liner and draft pick?

Meanwhile Kreider was resigned and is playing Right Wing? Strome is still here?
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regardless what one thinks of each case in particular, this has to be a valid point.
Also Lias. And if in his case (or in Krav's) one might argue the talent just isn't there, TDA and Buch have proved a thing or two here.
 
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nyr2k2 said:
Kravtsov isn't a kid. He's 21. He'll be 22 in a couple months. He's been a full-time player in the the best professional leagues for several years. He has an agent (if not agents on both sides of the ocean), likely some informal advisors, and a wealthy, educated family all to help him make informed decisions. Sure, there is emotional development left for him, I have no doubt, but he's not "just some emotional kid." He's a f***ing adult at this point who should be held accountable for his actions.

It seems like some around here think he has like diminished capacity or something. The kid is no dummy, with the support system he has I have no doubt his decisions are intentional, and he fully understands the likely fallout from them.
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Ignoring which age qualifies maturity, my point was who should have a cooler head? Drury or Kravy
 
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Kords said:
Ignoring which age qualifies maturity, my point was who should have a cooler head? Drury or Kravy
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But why is Drury obligated to treat Kravtsov special? Barron, Schneider, Jones all looked good and were sent down. Barron and Jones also saw NHL action last year - in fact Jones had the same amount of points as Krav, as a Dman, in half the games. Drury isn’t throwing a tantrum - he assigned a young player who is on the cusp of making the NHL full time but not fully there yet to the AHL to start the year. He very likely would have ended up finishing the year on the roster full time. The only one without a cool head is Kravtsov who cannot abide not getting his way. Was Drury supposed to anticipate Kravtsov not being an adult about it like the other guys in his boat? Was he supposed to acquiesce and say “lol just kidding! Of course you made the team! You’re actually captain!” when Kravtsov started pouting? I don’t see any reason to treat him with kid gloves or pander to his entitlement. Look at your peers. Go have a conversation with Fil Chytil. Do what they did. Or go be a KHL star.
 
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They need to put him in the lineup, give him proper minutes and let him succeed or fail on his own, then you can do what you want, because to me he earned a spot on the team and wasn't given it, if he comes up and plays bad enough to take him out then the org can point to that as the reason. If he comes in and plays well then bonus.
 
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