Confirmed with Link: Kravtsov requests trade

[egelband]

If Kakko is out any length of time Kravstov would be a bonehead not to go to Hartford for a week or two

That said idk if he can just walk back into the team. Feels like things are close to unrepairable

At best Drury is kinda desperate and extending a temporary olive branch and if Kravstov comes back they’ll move him the first good offer they get

Easy enough to blame the agent. And VK didn’t actually miss any games. I think there’s a window where it can be fixed. But both parties need to backtrack a bit. Even if it’s a temporary reconciliation to build VK’s value.

 

[Kords]

Goat was an injury fill in for Blais. He was scratched because the player he filled in for was back. The player who was out today was a center, which is why a center was called up. When healthy who is he replacing in the top nine? It’s not strictly about skill/upside. Fit and where the team is going matters. Who does Kravtsov beat out in the top nine that makes sense? I just don’t see it. Being a 13th forward is “better” in that he’s not being a pouty, unprofessional cancer? Because it certainly isn’t better for him overall. I mean, sure, better than not playing at all? I guess, but not being okay with playing outside of the NHL? Major red flag regardless.


If Kreider is going to be a LW (he’s played RW so far) then either Laf or Panarin is in the bottom six. If Kreider is a RW than either he or Kakko is in the bottom six. Chytil is the 3C. Goodrow and Blais have the 3Ws locked in. When healthy, Kravtsov hasn’t outplayed any of them. And it isn’t just about dangle potential. He doesn’t beat any of them for a spot in the top nine.

Off the top of my head, Goodrow at 3LW and drop Blais down (even though it should be the other way around IMO). Eventually Kreiders gonna have to move back to LW. Would like to see KK up there with Mika. Point is, things are fluid. The lines we see today won't be the lines we see in a month.

And idk how anyone can say VK was beat out for his spot. If there was definitive evidence that that was the case, we the fans weren't privy to it. He was good enough to play 20 games last year. He was good enough to miss development camp and be considered a roster player. He was good enough in the pre season games. When was he clearly beat out for a spot? At practice when we weren't looking? Everyones entitled to their opinion, but I can't agree with that.

Seems like he doesn't wanna be a Ranger, so use him as a 13th forward and showcase him until you can make a trade. Beats the alternative.

 

[LokiDog]

Off the top of my head, Goodrow at 3LW and drop Blais down (even though it should be the other way around IMO). Eventually Kreiders gonna have to move back to LW. Would like to see KK up there with Mika. Point is, things are fluid. The lines we see today won't be the lines we see in a month.

And idk how anyone can say VK was beat out for his spot. If there was definitive evidence that that was the case, we the fans weren't privy to it. He was good enough to play 20 games last year. He was good enough to miss development camp and be considered a roster player. He was good enough in the pre season games. When was he clearly beat out for a spot? At practice when we weren't looking? Everyones entitled to their opinion, but I can't agree with that.

Seems like he doesn't wanna be a Ranger, so use him as a 13th forward and showcase him until you can make a trade. Beats the alternative.

When nine players clearly claimed spots above him. Hunt and Gauthier being #12 and #13 are irrelevant. He was never going to beat out Goodrow, who just got a 6 year deal and he didn’t beat out Blais, plain and simple. At that point he’s playing less than 10 min on the 4th line with Reaves and Rooney. The Rangers felt he’d be better off playing top minutes in the AHL and getting call ups. His ego couldn’t accept that. I’m sorry if I have no sympathy for that. Frankly, I’d rather have Barron on the roster than Kravtsov, but luckily Barron is okay with paying his dues and being patient. Kravtsov could have been a top nine/six forward by January 1 if he’d shown an ounce of maturity and patience. Frankly, I’m not that convinced that, given the same minutes and linemates, Kravtsov is anymore effective than Gauthier. What’s their difference in draft pedigree? 6 spots? People are acting like this is young Malkin demanding a trade. This isn’t even PLD demanding a trade. This is just a brat who may have some NHL upside. I’d bet my horse right now that Krav doesn’t have the mental makeup to be a significant threat in this league regardless of his talent level. Think Zherdev, Burmistrov, Galchenyuk, etc.

 

[EdJovanovski]

When nine players clearly claimed spots above him. Hunt and Gauthier being #12 and #13 are irrelevant. He was never going to beat out Goodrow, who just got a 6 year deal and he didn’t beat out Blais, plain and simple. At that point he’s playing less than 10 min on the 4th line with Reaves and Rooney. The Rangers felt he’d be better off playing top minutes in the AHL and getting call ups. His ego could accept that. I’m sorry if I have no sympathy for that. Frankly, I’d rather have Barron on the roster than Kravtsov, but luckily Barron is okay with paying his dues and being patient. Kravtsov could have been a top nine/six forward by January 1 if he’d shown an ounce of maturity and patience. Frankly, I’m not that convinced that, given the same minutes and linemates, Kravtsov is anymore effective than Gauthier. What’s their difference in draft pedigree? 6 spots? People are acting like this is young Malkin demanding a trade. This isn’t even PLD demanding a trade. This is just a brat who may have some NHL upside. I’d bet my horse right now that Krav doesn’t have the mental makeup to be a significant threat in this league regardless of his talent level. Think Zherdev, Burmistrov, Galchenyuk, etc.

Think Wayne Gretzky himself

 

[Kords]

When nine players clearly claimed spots above him. Hunt and Gauthier being #12 and #13 are irrelevant. He was never going to beat out Goodrow, who just got a 6 year deal and he didn’t beat out Blais, plain and simple. At that point he’s playing less than 10 min on the 4th line with Reaves and Rooney. The Rangers felt he’d be better off playing top minutes in the AHL and getting call ups. His ego could accept that. I’m sorry if I have no sympathy for that. Frankly, I’d rather have Barron on the roster than Kravtsov, but luckily Barron is okay with paying his dues and being patient. Kravtsov could have been a top nine/six forward by January 1 if he’d shown an ounce of maturity and patience. Frankly, I’m not that convinced that, given the same minutes and linemates, Kravtsov is anymore effective than Gauthier. What’s their difference in draft pedigree? 6 spots? People are acting like this is young Malkin demanding a trade. This isn’t even PLD demanding a trade. This is just a brat who may have some NHL upside. I’d bet my horse right now that Krav doesn’t have the mental makeup to be a significant threat in this league regardless of his talent level. Think Zherdev, Burmistrov, Galchenyuk, etc.

Eh, there's plenty here I disagree with but it honestly doesn't even matter at this point. Not trying to bring him back in any capacity is cutting your nose to spite your face. Plain and simple.

And regardless, my original post was predicated on KK being out long term. In that case it makes even less sense not to bring him back unless you are a butt-hurt gm who doesn't wanna look bad or weak or whatever.

 

[LokiDog]

Think Wayne Gretzky himself

Brett Gretzky, maybe. Sorry. Krav is going to follow in the footsteps of talented guys who didn’t have the patience or ethic to make it work. There’s plenty of high picks who should have figured it out and didn’t. Some went overseas and came back after they hit UFA age. Some had success. Think Radulov. Most don’t. Kravtsov’s an entitled bitch. His absence from the roster has zero barring on our record, our performance, etc. Kravtsov is not not the difference between playoffs or not. He isn’t the difference between 30 wins and 35. He’s a kid who has zero maturity.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Brett Gretzky, maybe. Sorry. Krav is going to follow in the footsteps of talented guys who didn’t have the patience or ethic to make it work. There’s plenty of high picks who should have figured it out and didn’t. Some went overseas and came back after they hit UFA age. Some had success. Think Radulov. Most don’t. Kravtsov’s an entitled bitch. His absence from the roster has zero barring on our record, our performance, etc. Kravtsov is not not the difference between playoffs or not. He isn’t the difference between 30 wins and 35. He’s a kid who has zero maturity.

Quote me in a few years when he is the best player in the league

 

[LokiDog]

Eh, there's plenty here I disagree with but it honestly doesn't even matter at this point. Not trying to bring him back in any capacity is cutting your nose to spite your face. Plain and simple.

And regardless, my original post was predicated on KK being out long term. In that case it makes even less sense not to bring him back unless you are a butt-hurt gm who doesn't wanna look bad or weak or whatever.

Right, but going back to my first post I didn’t say don’t invite him back. I said don’t grovel and make him feel special - don’t continue to feed his entitled ego. But Kakko isn’t out long term and what is Krav going to do when we’re healthy and he’s played 3 games and has 0g, 1a and is -3? Accept a Hartford assignment or just be a bitch all over again.

 

[LokiDog]

Quote me in a few years when he is the best player in the league

I just lived up to my word and bought a complete stranger an authentic Blais jersey. If Kravtsov has a top 10 finish in the next 3 years I’ll delete my account.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Kravtsov is the best player in the history of professional sports

I won’t even quote this because I want to give you time to delete this post. I like having you around here, you’re one of my favorite posters. Please don’t delete your account. You don’t understand how likely it is that he will have a top 10 finish

 

[LokiDog]

I won’t even quote this because I want to give you time to delete this post. I like having you around here, you’re one of my favorite posters. Please don’t delete your account. You don’t understand how likely it is that he will have a top 10 finish

He won’t. And he certainly won’t be anywhere near the best player in the league.

 

[EdJovanovski]

He won’t. And he certainly won’t be anywhere near the best player in the league.

Sometimes I question if other people are watching the same player when I read takes like these. I watch him and I essentially see what you’d create in a video game as an ideal hockey player in every single facet. McDavid has been more productive sure, but when you watch them I think he has far more talent than McDavid. He is also a much better 200ft player. He literally is the first man deep on every forecheck, and the first man back on every backcheck; about 90% of the time he’s the first forward back before the center, and 75% of the time he’s back before even the second dman. There is no player as good defensively as Kravtsov in the league IMO. McDavid’s top speed may be slightly faster than Krav (though it might not be, Krav looks slower because he’s so big) but Kravtsov has the much better skating mechanics. He is the best skater in the history of the sport. There really isn’t one category that I don’t think he is the greatest player to ever play the game in, maybe physicality? That’s it.

 

[Barnaby]

Easy enough to blame the agent. And VK didn’t actually miss any games. I think there’s a window where it can be fixed. But both parties need to backtrack a bit. Even if it’s a temporary reconciliation to build VK’s value.

I’m not sure that a window exists unless maybe VK comes back hat in hand. He was wrong and this is the 2nd time. If he didn’t learn the first time then I doubt he’s learned by now which is too bad.

 

[Barnaby]

Off the top of my head, Goodrow at 3LW and drop Blais down (even though it should be the other way around IMO). Eventually Kreiders gonna have to move back to LW. Would like to see KK up there with Mika. Point is, things are fluid. The lines we see today won't be the lines we see in a month.

And idk how anyone can say VK was beat out for his spot. If there was definitive evidence that that was the case, we the fans weren't privy to it. He was good enough to play 20 games last year. He was good enough to miss development camp and be considered a roster player. He was good enough in the pre season games. When was he clearly beat out for a spot? At practice when we weren't looking? Everyones entitled to their opinion, but I can't agree with that.

Seems like he doesn't wanna be a Ranger, so use him as a 13th forward and showcase him until you can make a trade. Beats the alternative.

I don’t think he was “beat out of his spot.” He had to earn a spot and he didn’t. Oh well, he’s not the first nor last 21 year old tk get demoted. Go down, work hard, play well, and you’ll be back in no time. I didn’t see Barron playing this game. We could go through laundry list of NHL players who played in the AHL at 21. Hell, even ECHL at times.

I find it interesting that people calling ADA a cancer are suddenly on VK’s side. I guess you can be an entitled brat if you’re young enough and drafted highly enough.

 

[Barnaby]

Plenty of players on this club worked their tails off to get to where they are in the league. Do you think they have any patience for a 21 year old who takes his toys and goes home rather than go down to the AHL and prove that you belong in the NHL? You know, what Schneider, Barron, and Robertson are doing as we speak?

I also find it interesting that he jumped ship without maybe getting some guidance from a Shesterkin or Panarin. I can’t believe they wouldn’t have spoken to him and given him some advice. Those guys both worked their way into becoming stars. They weren’t star NHLers at 21.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Plenty of players on this club worked their tails off to get to where they are in the league. Do you think they have any patience for a 21 year old who takes his toys and goes home rather than go down to the AHL and prove that you belong in the NHL? You know, what Schneider, Barron, and Robertson are doing as we speak?

I also find it interesting that he jumped ship without maybe getting some guidance from a Shesterkin or Panarin. I can’t believe they wouldn’t have spoken to him and given him some advice. Those guys both worked their way into becoming stars. They weren’t star NHLers at 21.

Lets not forget we dont know the FULL REAL story. It’s silly to think whatever brooks said is that…

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Brett Gretzky, maybe. Sorry. Krav is going to follow in the footsteps of talented guys who didn’t have the patience or ethic to make it work. There’s plenty of high picks who should have figured it out and didn’t. Some went overseas and came back after they hit UFA age. Some had success. Think Radulov. Most don’t. Kravtsov’s an entitled bitch. His absence from the roster has zero barring on our record, our performance, etc. Kravtsov is not not the difference between playoffs or not. He isn’t the difference between 30 wins and 35. He’s a kid who has zero maturity.

You do realize that Flames fans could have probably made a similar post about Fox?

 

[Entrancemperium]

Well kid, you s**t the bed. If Kakko is out any significant time that would've been your shot most likely.

Now you can rot.

 

[bumrusherer]

If the young fella cant see that he has a golden chance to prove himself right now, then he is a lost cause.

 

[LokiDog]

You do realize that Flames fans could have probably made a similar post about Fox?

No. No one had seen Fox play a game of professional hockey. If anything, Fox was a kid who patiently turned down NHL opportunities because he knew what he wanted and bet on himself. He could have signed and gone pro any time but he knew where he wanted to be and worked to ensure he was worth it when he got a chance to be there. Fox far exceeded his projections while patiently biding his time to be where he wanted to be. That’s essentially the opposite of Kravtsov who has barely met or not lived up to expectations while impatiently pouting every single time he’s been asked to wait or work to get where he wants to be.

He’d won the Hobey Baker and his stock was rising since his draft, but no one had anything to base an expectation off of and also no one had Fox pegged as a 1D/Norris winner. Nobody has any reason to question his work ethic or accuse him of pouting; they just had a case for sour grapes because he was willing to skip NHL money and gamble on himself in order to play where he wanted to. A brat? Sure, for not just shutting up and humbly accepting a contract from whichever NHL team held his rights? I get that part. But Fox was a kid with top 4D potential who came in and blew the doors off from day one.


Kravtsov was a kid with first line potential who came in and did the opposite. He signed a contract to turn pro but essentially didn’t accept the terms and responsibilities that came with being a pro. He didn’t hold out and bet on himself and then come and exceed all expectations - he signed now and asked questions later while expecting to be handed everything. If Fox hadn’t made the team after his first camp, I don’t think his desire to be a Ranger would have suddenly died and he’d have pouted about going to Hartford. He’d likely have seen it as another step toward where he wanted to end up. Kravtsov wants to put in a cheat code and skip to the good part. Tough shit home boy. People think Kravtsov over Hunt solves this teams problems somehow. The kid won’t be a successful pro anywhere, besides maybe Russia, until he grows the f*** up.

 

[Hanji]

Both sides are like 2 fighting spoiled kids who are too petty to be wrong.

Drury needs to drop the “draft status doesn’t earn you anything; everybody earns their spot” bullcrap. Kakko was given every opportunity in the world his rookie year when he should’ve been sent down at times. And if NYR didn’t have such a vested interest in Lafrenière as the #1 pick he undoubtedly would’ve been sent back to the Q early last season.

Kravtsov needs to realize the NHL isn't fair. Players are treated differently for numerous reasons (contracts, development, roles, etc.). Regardless of what somebody may have promised him in the past, or what Drury says now, he should be smart enough to grasp how things really work. It’s time to accept reality, quit whining and do what needs to be done to make the team.

 

[RangerBoy]

Kravstov comes back under two conditions.

1)-He stops being a whiny bitch and plays in the AHL. Just work on your game and improve your conditioning.
2)-He signs a one year contract extension.

According to news reports, Kravtsov would be willing to agree to those terms with another team. Drury needs to be like Gary Bettman. The NHLPA put the 24% rollback in their offer for a luxury tax system proposal and Bettman takes that idea for his salary cap deal. That was genius.

Make it clear to him that there is no trade coming anytime soon. There is no KHL loan for you. You aren't playing ever again. We will toll your contract and you aren't going anywhere. You are my bitch and we own you. You owe us a year and you are not returning just to fulfill the terms of the ELC only to bolt next summer for the KHL until you are 27 years old.

Agree to those terms. Clean slate.

 

[Ola]

What I miss in relation to — among other things — the Kravy debacle is decisions being based on facts.

It was literary several years ago I first saw talks about Jesse Puljujärvi being a bust. People patterning their own backs on how they called it. You may or may not like Puljujärvi as a player. But he had a very solid season last year establishing himself as a 20 goal scorer and have now destroyed it in Camp and is of to a 2+2 in 2 start for EDM. Wouldn’t at all be surprised if he got 60-70 pts this year.

This is Puljujarvi’s — sixth — pro season. Sixth. And EDM thought he would be ready — six — years ago. That was just dumb. He wasn’t even dominating the SM liiga before turning pro, huge body who were bound to need a lot of work, and support, before he could get involved enough in NA. 4th line in the NHL or Bakersfield were a horrible option for him. He saved his career by taking things into his own hands. Going back to Finland and catch up on the training he missed out on while riding a bus in the AHL. Get to play more with the puck on his stick. Our development of Lias was on par with that debacle. 4-5 years in the SHL before going to NA were a reasonable time frame for him. Probably could have become a clutch bottom 6 center with some upside. Why do I bring up these examples? Because it’s just totally impossible to make decisions as dumb as those two examples if you base them on facts. And in any event, it’s a fact that it takes two to tango. You can have a perfect plan, but if the other party aren’t along for the ride it’s not happening. There are ways to find out if someone is OK with a plan or not.

Players expectations on themselves and the organization doesn’t develop in a vacuum. Everyone are different. Everyone need different type of support on the ice.

We know how the organization reasons. Making a long story short, it doesn’t suffice. Not even remotely.

Before any decision is made Drury should have a team from McKinseley in his office asking questions. Why? We draft a player. OK let’s sign the player. Why? What are the pros and cons with waiting. Any support for whatever argument made? Let’s bring the player to the AHL. Why? Now or 1/2/3/4/5 years down the road? Any support for whatever argument made? And so forth, and so forth, and so forth.

For most players, their career is important to them. I love Kravy’s upside, but he didn’t do himself any favors lately and — at least if he cares about his career — he must be pretty dumb in the head. But that is 100% besides the point, because if we can make use of players who weren’t smart about their future when they were teenagers, it’s a competitive edge for this organization and if we can’t, it’s an disadvantage.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

The kid won’t be a successful pro anywhere, besides maybe Russia, until he grows the f*** up.

Correct me if I'm wrong, wasn't he "demoted" in Russia as well? That's not a ringing endorsement for being a successful pro.

 

[BBKers]

RangerBoy cranking up the heat. I laughed heartily. Ranger management shit the bed here though… despite crybaby stuff from Kravtsov