Confirmed with Link: Kravtsov requests trade

[Kords]

God forbid KK is out long term, but if he is Drury needs to swim to Moscow and genuflect till his knees bleed for Kravy to come back.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

If Kakko is out any length of time Kravstov would be a bonehead not to go to Hartford for a week or two

That said idk if he can just walk back into the team. Feels like things are close to unrepairable

At best Drury is kinda desperate and extending a temporary olive branch and if Kravstov comes back they’ll move him the first good offer they get

 

[EdJovanovski]

God forbid KK is out long term, but if he is Drury needs to swim to Moscow and genuflect till his knees bleed for Kravy to come back.

Kravtsov is still in NYC

 

[Kords]

Kravtsov is still in NYC

He should swim there anyway as a sign of respect.

 

[Crease]

Kravtsov is still in NYC

He’s been staying in shape playing beer league at Chelsea Piers.

 

[Atax]

I wouldn't have any issue with him reporting back to the AHL and rejoining the team at a later date.

 

[Daves a mess]

Kravtsov is still in NYC

Why do I suddenly picture you in a Starbucks with binoculars, staring up at his 23 floor window.

 

[bbny]

Why do I suddenly picture you in a Starbucks with binoculars, staring up at his 23 floor window.

 

[nyr2k2]

LOL the Rangers aren't going to beg Kravtsov to come back under any circumstance. Come on.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Sounds like Drury is being as much of a douche as Kravtsov is being immature.

THAT’S your take from the article!?

 

[Priorae]

I’m 100% not being this guy, but Pavel is killing it for the Blues right now. Kind of frustrating to watch.

 

[SA16]

I’m 100% not being this guy, but Pavel is killing it for the Blues right now. Kind of frustrating to watch.

He's killing it with one assist and, a 37.5 CF%, against a team missing 2/3 of it's top line, it's best defensive forward, and currently has 10 forwards?

 

[EdJovanovski]

He's killing it with one assist and, a 37.5 CF%, against a team missing 2/3 of it's top line, it's best defensive forward, and currently has 10 forwards?

You watching the game?

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Grow up both sides, make amends and get him in the lineup. We are losing forwards left and right.

 

[Kocur26]

I’m 100% not being this guy, but Pavel is killing it for the Blues right now. Kind of frustrating to watch.

I said Day 1 - that was a sather move - Drury learned grin the master of disaster.

 

[LokiDog]

God forbid KK is out long term, but if he is Drury needs to swim to Moscow and genuflect till his knees bleed for Kravy to come back.

Frankly, that’s bullshit.

I don’t care where you were drafted or how entitled you feel… you have ~20 games of NHL experience and are 21 years old. You don’t have the luxury of “refusing” your assignment to the AHL.

He can be invited back. Simple as that. There isn’t an NHL GM in the world who should grovel and beg a 21 year old prospect to come back to them. Buffalo won’t even bend for Eichel, their captain, and he’s 100x higher profile than Kravtsov.

It should be, look, we can’t guarantee it’s a permanent or even long term spot, but we have a need on RW. You can come back and get some NHL games, and depending on how it goes, report to Hartford and be the first call up all season, or blow us away and earn a spot. It shouldn’t be any hands and knees begging.

Also Kakko is day to day, may not miss any games, Strome was covid protocol and should be right back and Blais is already back.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Grow up both sides, make amends and get him in the lineup. We are losing forwards left and right.

from Buch, Kappo and Krav to nothing? Smh

 

[ohbaby]

Yes, Krav got hurt and then Blais moved up from the 4th line, and then Blais performed better in that spot than Kravtsov did either before or after the injury.

Maybe you should try cutting those Prozac's in half. They're clouding your judgment. Kravy scored on the PP and started OT in his return for good reason.

I can send you my CV if you really want to know about my skills with logic. I literally have a PhD

And I bag groceries for a living. Your higher education is not a substitute for common sense. I know quite a few professionals who would be better suited,... using their diplomas to wipe their asses. You simply don't grasp how a hockey team creates a lineup.

You know what the 7th and 8th defensemen and the 13th and 14th forwards all have in common? They don't play regularly.

Again irrelevant. This just shows there were spots open for him to make the team. It's got nothing to do with how much ice time he would get. How could you possibly conclude he would be our 13th or 14th forward if he made the team? That is really silly. He would have played regularly on the 3rd line and Blais would have moved back to his preferred spot on the 4th line. Hunt would be scratched. This was what the lineup looked like heading into the season.

And its advantages were many. With Kravy you had 3 scoring lines and one really good checking line. Also had multiple pieces in reserve in Gauthier and Hunt. You also had a right wing who can move up and down the lineup in Kravy, if say Kakko got injured.

Now what do you have? Two scoring lines, and two less efficient checking lines. And now with Kakko going down you are severely depleted on the right-side.

Kravy's presence on and off the roster had huge implications involving the strength and depth of our 3rd and 4th lines. This of course is based on his good play the last 20 games of last year. And as I said earlier, he did nothing this preseason to diminish that. But I know all this is beyond your understanding. Your too hung up on ridiculous assumptions and inane analogies. If I were you, I'd cut back on the meds and eat some more broccoli. The gut/brain axis is very real and powerful.

 

[Kords]

Frankly, that’s bullshit.

I don’t care where you were drafted or how entitled you feel… you have ~20 games of NHL experience and are 21 years old. You don’t have the luxury of “refusing” your assignment to the AHL.

He can be invited back. Simple as that. There isn’t an NHL GM in the world who should grovel and beg a 21 year old prospect to come back to them. Buffalo won’t even bend for Eichel, their captain, and he’s 100x higher profile than Kravtsov.

It should be, look, we can’t guarantee it’s a permanent or even long term spot, but we have a need on RW. You can come back and get some NHL games, and depending on how it goes, report to Hartford and be the first call up all season, or blow us away and earn a spot. It shouldn’t be any hands and knees begging.

Also Kakko is day to day, may not miss any games, Strome was covid protocol and should be right back and Blais is already back.

Well, I didn't mean he needs to literally grovel!

But Drury is a grown man and frankly he got it wrong. He should not of tried to send the kid down for several reasons, and now we are seeing why. Drury messed up. Suck it up, swallow your pride and get the kid back over.

And for the record, I hate how Kravtsov handled it, its a very poor show of character. The situation is bigger than either side though, it's about winning hockey games and building back value for a diminished asset.

 

[LokiDog]

Well, I didn't mean he needs to literally grovel!

But Drury is a grown man and frankly he got it wrong. He should not of tried to send the kid down for several reasons, and now we are seeing why. Drury messed up. Suck it up, swallow your pride and get the kid back over.

And for the record, I hate how Kravtsov handled it, its a very poor show of character. The situation is bigger than either side though, it's about winning hockey games and building back value for a diminished asset.

The point is, when heathy, I don’t see who in the top nine he replaces which means he should be in the AHL unless there’s a need for a call up. If he comes back to fill in for an injury but he pouts and runs away again the second we’re healthy, is there that much point in us bringing him back? Strome is in covid protocol and Kakko is day to day. There isn’t a multi-game spot for Kravstov. Unless he came in and blew the doors off, he hasn’t earned a top nine spot. If he can’t handle being the first call up and playing top minutes in the AHL, frankly he can f*** off.

 

[smoneil]

Maybe you should try cutting those Prozac's in half. They're clouding your judgment. Kravy scored on the PP and started OT in his return for good reason.

And I bag groceries for a living. Your higher education is not a substitute for common sense. I know quite a few professionals who would be better suited,... using their diplomas to wipe their asses. You simply don't grasp how a hockey team creates a lineup.

Again irrelevant. This just shows there were spots open for him to make the team. It's got nothing to do with how much ice time he would get. How could you possibly conclude he would be our 13th or 14th forward if he made the team? That is really silly. He would have played regularly on the 3rd line and Blais would have moved back to his preferred spot on the 4th line. Hunt would be scratched. This was what the lineup looked like heading into the season.

And its advantages were many. With Kravy you had 3 scoring lines and one really good checking line. Also had multiple pieces in reserve in Gauthier and Hunt. You also had a right wing who can move up and down the lineup in Kravy, if say Kakko got injured.

Now what do you have? Two scoring lines, and two less efficient checking lines. And now with Kakko going down you are severely depleted on the right-side.

Kravy's presence on and off the roster had huge implications involving the strength and depth of our 3rd and 4th lines. This of course is based on his good play the last 20 games of last year. And as I said earlier, he did nothing this preseason to diminish that. But I know all this is beyond your understanding. Your too hung up on ridiculous assumptions and inane analogies. If I were you, I'd cut back on the meds and eat some more broccoli. The gut/brain axis is very real and powerful.

Re: the education--I want to make it clear that I didn't cite it in any claim towards being "better" or "smarter." I'm a big proponent of the idea that every person is more than capable of being the smartest or the dumbest person in the room, depending on which room they happen to be in. My degrees in medieval/Renaissance literature have f*** all to do with hockey or a great number of other things. I mentioned it specifically because you were, repeatedly, claiming that I don't understand "logic," and I am literally a specialist in it.

As for the debate, look, I tried, but I'm done. My time is better spent convincing the brick wall outside. Keep thinking that Kravtsov is some NHL all-time great. Keep thinking that he wasn't competing for a spot with the guy who is now playing in that spot. Keep thinking that starting an overtime period in an exhibition game means more than getting outscored x3 by your competition. Keep thinking that Kravtsov, his 4 NHL points, his .25 ppg NHL career and his <.5ppg AHL and KHL careers are the only things standing between us and the Stanley Cup. I'm out of f***s to give.

I'll stay over here in the real world, where a player needs to earn his spot, not whine his way into it, and everyone who isn't blinded by fanboyish obsession for one player understands that. And you can bookmark this and throw it in my face if I'm wrong: Barring a MAJOR attitude change, Kravtsov will be lucky to carve out a "Vlad Namestnikov" level NHL career, and I'd put better odds on his bouncing around to a few teams over the next 3 to 4 years before packing it in and going back to the KHL (just like Pavel Brendl, who had considerably more talent than Kravtsov, and a similar attitude).

 

[bobbop]

So, reading between the lines, Bobrov was promising things that he had no control over to appease players' ears

I think I have a pretty good idea why Bobrov was fired.

 

[LokiDog]

Re: the education--I want to make it clear that I didn't cite it in any claim towards being "better" or "smarter." I'm a big proponent of the idea that every person is more than capable of being the smartest or the dumbest person in the room, depending on which room they happen to be in. My degrees in medieval/Renaissance literature have f*** all to do with hockey or a great number of other things. I mentioned it specifically because you were, repeatedly, claiming that I don't understand "logic," and I am literally a specialist in it.

As for the debate, look, I tried, but I'm done. My time is better spent convincing the brick wall outside. Keep thinking that Kravtsov is some NHL all-time great. Keep thinking that he wasn't competing for a spot with the guy who is now playing in that spot. Keep thinking that starting an overtime period in an exhibition game means more than getting outscored x3 by your competition. Keep thinking that Kravtsov, his 4 NHL points, his .25 ppg NHL career and his <.5ppg AHL and KHL careers are the only things standing between us and the Stanley Cup. I'm out of f***s to give.

I'll stay over here in the real world, where a player needs to earn his spot, not whine his way into it, and everyone who isn't blinded by fanboyish obsession for one player understands that. And you can bookmark this and throw it in my face if I'm wrong: Barring a MAJOR attitude change, Kravtsov will be lucky to carve out a "Vlad Namestnikov" level NHL career, and I'd put better odds on his bouncing around to a few teams over the next 3 to 4 years before packing it in and going back to the KHL (just like Pavel Brendl, who had considerably more talent than Kravtsov, and a similar attitude).

For those who remember Alex Burmistrov, #8 overall, and honestly better player comes to mind.

 

[Kords]

The point is, when heathy, I don’t see who in the top nine he replaces which means he should be in the AHL unless there’s a need for a call up. If he comes back to fill in for an injury but he pouts and runs away again the second we’re healthy, is there that much point in us bringing him back? Strome is in covid protocol and Kakko is day to day. There isn’t a multi-game spot for Kravstov. Unless he came in and blew the doors off, he hasn’t earned a top nine spot. If he can’t handle being the first call up and playing top minutes in the AHL, frankly he can f*** off.

Goat literally just got scratched after 1 game and Kreider is a LW. Hard to imagine he doesn't deserve a spot in the top 9.

And sure, Strome and KK are D2D but the fact that this is even a conversation on day 4 says everything.

Even still, he's better off a 13th forward than whatever he is now. It's not even about getting top minutes in Hartford anymore.

 

[LokiDog]

Goat literally just got scratched after 1 game and Kreider is a LW. Hard to imagine he doesn't deserve a spot in the top 9.

And sure, Strome and KK are D2D but the fact that this is even a conversation on day 4 says everything.

Even still, he's better off a 13th forward than whatever he is now. It's not even about getting top minutes in Hartford anymore.

Goat was an injury fill in for Blais. He was scratched because the player he filled in for was back. The player who was out today was a center, which is why a center was called up. When healthy who is he replacing in the top nine? It’s not strictly about skill/upside. Fit and where the team is going matters. Who does Kravtsov beat out in the top nine that makes sense? I just don’t see it. Being a 13th forward is “better” in that he’s not being a pouty, unprofessional cancer? Because it certainly isn’t better for him overall. I mean, sure, better than not playing at all? I guess, but not being okay with playing outside of the NHL? Major red flag regardless.


If Kreider is going to be a LW (he’s played RW so far) then either Laf or Panarin is in the bottom six. If Kreider is a RW than either he or Kakko is in the bottom six. Chytil is the 3C. Goodrow and Blais have the 3Ws locked in. When healthy, Kravtsov hasn’t outplayed any of them. And it isn’t just about dangle potential. He doesn’t beat any of them for a spot in the top nine.