Confirmed with Link: Kravtsov requests trade

[haohmaru]

Can we trade him for a backup goalie?

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Robin Kovacs, Malte Stromwall, Ryan Gropp, Sean Day, Sergei Zborovsky, Lias Andersson, Vitali Kravstov.

These are all players who have been known head cases or had their contracts terminated/suspended.

That's only since 2015. Werek was a known headcase and Korpikoski asked to be moved.

There's a problem. Whether it's New York, Hartford, expectations, something is off.

If it's the drafting then spend Dolan's money and do better jobs of psychological evaluations.

 

[SlingshotVv]

I like Krav, and see potential in him becoming a pretty good player, but there was nothing this preseason that screamed this guy needs to be in the top6. It seemed like he’s being put in position to be the first call-up, which is the perfect spot for him.

Get top line minutes, let the big club work out the kinks of the new season, and come up first opportunity.

this is not at all a good look for the kid.

 

[Bluto]

Hartford is a pretty horrible city. I can understand not wanting to live there.

 

[UnSandvich]

Disclaimer: I think Chris Drury sucks and has done a shit job.

With that said:
If what someone upthread said is true, about Kravtsov & Drury butting heads while VK was in Hartford, and then it escalated & was an issue in the exit interviews, i really don't see how we can absolve the Rangers organization of all wrong-doing this situation. If Kravtsov was that much a problem, it should've been dealt with months ago. Lias also had issues while Drury was in charge in HFD. I think we need to figure out exactly where all these communication disconnects are happening, and getting that fixed should be a priority.

 

[RangersFan]

Tampa had problems with Drouin. They took a lot of flak for that. So did the player. Fortunately they resolved it and got a good return. Drouin was more established and more highly-regarded. Literally the next year they drafted DeAngelo. When they realized he was going to be a problem, they moved on. The 19th pick became the 37th pick.

Things don't always work out. Players come with issues that maybe you didn't anticipate or you thought you could work through. Let's see how the team can resolve it. If they can get a good return, great. Even though I like Cuylle that wasn't a "great" return from Andersson. You can't compare him to Drouin though because Drouin was 10x the prospect. Andersson was more comparable to DeAngelo honestly.

In no way am I absolving the team of everything here--personally I would have tried to be more proactive in moving him--but again, shit happens. Not just to us.

Drouin for Sergachev was huge for the Bolts. Hopefully we could get something of value for Kravtsov. Drury better play it out like Yzerman did. No reason to move him unless the value coming the other way is worth it.

 

[LokiDog]

Can we trade him for a backup goalie?

That said, seeing where we are in our journey toward contention, if Kravtsov is being dealt I wonder if he isn’t best off being packaged to address a need. If not, any picks we acquire may be better used in a package to address a need. Otherwise, if Kravtsov is ultimately traded on his own, I think we’re almost better off shipping him for a better backup goaltender or a similar change of scenery prospect. A 2nd that’s 4 years away isn’t going to do much for us during the years that KK, Laf, Chytil are bridgeable and Mika, Bread, Kreider, etc. still have some good mileage left.

Before Geo’s big night

 

[EdJovanovski]

Disclaimer: I think Chris Drury sucks and has done a shit job.

With that said:
If what someone upthread said is true, about Kravtsov & Drury butting heads while VK was in Hartford, and then it escalated & was an issue in the exit interviews, i really don't see how we can absolve the Rangers organization of all wrong-doing this situation. If Kravtsov was that much a problem, it should've been dealt with months ago. Lias also had issues while Drury was in charge in HFD. I think we need to figure out exactly where all these communication disconnects are happening, and getting that fixed should be a priority.

I’d be surprised if Drury didn’t butt heads with himself at this point.

 

[hpNYR]

Im starting to wonder if Drury is the problem here? Ever since joining this franchise/management team, we have been hearing reports of problems in HFD and even in NY with our kids.

 

[ohbaby]

The loss last night and the failed Kreider right wing experiment, only spotlights how bad this Kravtsov fiasco will be for this team. He is no longer an option to move up, which he has done in the past. Kravy has improved ever since he came back from Russia late last season. You could easily see it in his backchecks and smarter decisions. I don't see how any of that changed or got worse during training camp.

The Organization is trying to slant this story to their benefit. They obviously lied to the youngster about a spot on the team. And like many have said here, there really wasn't any doubt about him making the team, until two days ago.

I'm sick to my stomach, about all of this.

Ruining a good thing, Chytil's linemate, an important piece to this team, having a rightwing who can move up and down the lineup, a player who will start every night as a regular, thrown away,.... all for a 10th defensemen they wanted to protect from waivers.

Sick I tell you. And the more the Rangers continue to lose and look like crap, The more I blame our lying ass head coach and the Rangers brass.

We are gonna get blown out again today in the home opener. Like Gallant would say,... you can bet on it.

Management totally ruined the great atmosphere we had, heading into the season opener. And we will see it's ramifications play out in the weeks ahead. I'm just sick about this and have a real distain for the Rangers management in creating this completely foolish and avoidable situation.

 

[AlaBlueShirt]

Im starting to wonder if Drury is the problem here? Ever since joining this franchise/management team, we have been hearing reports of problems in HFD and even in NY with our kids.

Lol no

 

[jay from jersey]

I like Krav, and see potential in him becoming a pretty good player, but there was nothing this preseason that screamed this guy needs to be in the top6. It seemed like he’s being put in position to be the first call-up, which is the perfect spot for him.

Get top line minutes, let the big club work out the kinks of the new season, and come up first opportunity.

this is not at all a good look for the kid.

I think it depends who was injured. I’m pretty sure the way Gallant has things set up, Barron or Gauthier gets the bottom 6 call in case of injury.
Rangers can also move a guy like Goodrow/Blais up in the line up.
I think Kravy just saw the writing on the wall with the numbers game and figures his opportunity of getting significant nhl time with us this season was probably slim to none.
Add in all the stuff we don’t know about behind closed doors.
I just don’t think he saw a future here.
I know for sure he wasn’t going want to spend 1-2 years more in the A, that wasn’t even going to be a possibility.
Plus the bad blood history of him leaving the first time etc..
He just wants a fresh start and nhl minutes in a preferably top 6 or At least a top 9 role with talented players.

 

[BBKers]

Hmmmm. I just ready This entire thread here. The Ranchers and The Cattle never get along When its rodeo time. Out of the Blue and into the black…

 

[haohmaru]

From the Carpster:

"
15 Constant Krav-ing: Just a Kravtsov follow-up. He was told, in no uncertain terms, that he needed to go down and work on his conditioning after his lower-body injury during training camp. If he did so, he’d be back up quickly.
He was also left home during the team bonding trip to Rhode Island to get treatment on that injury. So it wasn’t as lopsided as it appeared, or perhaps as I portrayed it. Still, I think the Rangers had to know that he might react this way. That’s no reason to give a youngster a job, and I didn’t think he was particularly good in his preseason games. I saw him turn over a puck to avoid a hit in Bridgeport, and the coach surely noticed it. And no, he does not have a European escape clause. That was only for the first year of his ELC.

16. Finally, and I can’t stress this enough, nor understand why it’s so hard to understand: Kravtsov going down had absolutely nothing to do with Libor Hajek remaining with the team to avoid waivers."

 

[LOFIN]

From the Carpster:
15 Constant Krav-ing: Just a Kravtsov follow-up. He was told, in no uncertain terms, that he needed to go down and work on his conditioning after his lower-body injury during training camp. If he did so, he’d be back up quickly.
He was also left home during the team bonding trip to Rhode Island to get treatment on that injury. So it wasn’t as lopsided as it appeared, or perhaps as I portrayed it. Still, I think the Rangers had to know that he might react this way. That’s no reason to give a youngster a job, and I didn’t think he was particularly good in his preseason games. I saw him turn over a puck to avoid a hit in Bridgeport, and the coach surely noticed it. And no, he does not have a European escape clause. That was only for the first year of his ELC.

Not going to lock myself into one opinion over the other because we are obviously getting mixed reports, but that does not paint a good picture on the behaviour by Kravtsov.

 

[DoingItCoolKiwi]

So, who are some gritty borderline top 6 talents? Grit is clearly Drurys #1 thing so lets not expect anything out of the format

 

[haohmaru]

Before Geo’s big night

I've been trying to trade this turkey since forever ago.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Drury needs to fix his mistake, he absolutely should have made the big club or have been traded before things got to this point if you don't like him as a player. Its embarrassing that a guy like Tinordi (different position i know) played last night and Kravtsov didn't.

 

[LOFIN]

Drury needs to fix his mistake, he absolutely should have made the big club or have been traded before things got to this point if you don't like him as a player. Its embarrassing that a guy like Tinordi (different position i know) played last night and Kravtsov didn't.

So are you suggesting Kravtsov should've been the 6th defensman?

 

[3rd Guy High]

The loss last night and the failed Kreider right wing experiment, only spotlights how bad this Kravtsov fiasco will be for this team. He is no longer an option to move up, which he has done in the past. Kravy has improved ever since he came back from Russia late last season. You could easily see it in his backchecks and smarter decisions. I don't see how any of that changed or got worse during training camp.

The Organization is trying to slant this story to their benefit. They obviously lied to the youngster about a spot on the team. And like many have said here, there really wasn't any doubt about him making the team, until two days ago.

I'm sick to my stomach, about all of this.

Ruining a good thing, Chytil's linemate, an important piece to this team, having a rightwing who can move up and down the lineup, a player who will start every night as a regular, thrown away,.... all for a 10th defensemen they wanted to protect from waivers.

Sick I tell you. And the more the Rangers continue to lose and look like crap, The more I blame our lying ass head coach and the Rangers brass.

We are gonna get blown out again today in the home opener. Like Gallant would say,... you can bet on it.

Management totally ruined the great atmosphere we had, heading into the season opener. And we will see it's ramifications play out in the weeks ahead. I'm just sick about this and have a real distain for the Rangers management in creating this completely foolish and avoidable situation.

Yup. Rangers went from a position of great strength to a position of weakness. Counted our ducks before they hatched. Now Kakko and Lafreniere MUST not bust.

This is just one of many moves. Buch trade, Kreider signing, etc.

Many have said this is not about Hajek - but answer me this. Rangers have so much D prospect depth. Why not waive him and keep Kravtsov on the roster? Scratch the kid if it is a problem and trade him then if it becomes more of one.

After games like last night, having the ability to scratch someone and mix up the lineup is a valuable tool to have in the kit.

 

[duhmetreE]

 

[rangers1314]

Rangers hold all the cards here, especially if Carp is correct RE: the euro escape clause.

 

[jay from jersey]

Plausible.

My main question right now, is what went on behind closed doors? Did they promise or imply to he or his agent that he had a roster spot? Did someone lie to him or mislead him? I doubt we will ever know, but I could see something like this happening. I definitely think they sent him a message, for numerous reasons, perhaps indirectly, that he at least likely had a roster spot.

And I definitely see a double standard with some players getting a spot not based at all on performance, while other players perform and didn't get a roster spot. So that in itself could be enough to set a kid like this off, making an unfortunate and rash decision to refuse Hartford.

But really, I still think it's plausible he was outright deceived or lied to, off the record at least, which would help explain everything that has happened since. And if something like that did happen, I'm not sure I could totally blame Kravtsov for reacting rashly. But obviously this is just speculation based on the series of events at this point.

Certainly a possibility he was told he’d have a starting top 9 wing spot here, especially after the Buch trade.
It’s a very similar situation to ADA last season IMO.
They both didn’t think that their ice time/spots were a real risk of losing. Then when other guys steeped up and played better, or the coach thought a different player/different skillset on the line was better, and gave the team a better chance of winning, they both lost their shit
I also think Nils was promised something similar. There comes a point in time a few years after being drafted with some Euro players ( no all) where either they’re good enough, or they believe their good enough to start and really don’t want a maybe to uproot their life and leave their country to be stuck in some dinky AHL city riding the bus.
They weigh their options and it’s not worth it to them. They’d rather start fresh somewhere else where the path to their goal is easier and the future picture is more clear.
I can absolutely see Drury telling Krav going to Hartford is short term for just a few months etc etc and Krav not believing him with all of the past history with Krav/NYR. Basically, he prob felt like they went back on their first promise, so I don’t believe them this time.
He prob also saw how the roster is constructed and with other guys similar age etc vying for limited spots/ice time and he just doesn’t want that type of competition.
It goes back to my original point. These rich kids that have everything handed to them all their lives crumble and cry when an adversity tornado comes and kicks everything upside down.
I’m not saying Krav didn’t/doesn’t work Hard, but when his type don’t get their way, and things go wrong, they don’t double down and try harder. They look for an escape route.
That doesn’t just apply for hockey either. You can see it in various forms throughout all aspects of life. I’m sure you know the type and have dealt with it.
This kid was a prima-donna Since the day we drafted him. He thought the AHL was beneath him then, and still thinks that now, I don’t care what he’s says publicly, that’s PR bullshit.
We’ve seen the same pattern in his first departure and are watching round 2 unfold now. Quite honestly, I hope he gets traded and they can reconcile. Which is 99% likely anyway at this point.
This team needs more players with less of that line or thinking.

 

[duhmetreE]

What are the chances he gets called up to play and act like nothing ever happened?

 

[leetch99]

What are the chances he gets called up to play and act like nothing ever happened?

ZERO hopefully . Get rid of him and build a TEAM around the guys that DO want to be part of a real team and accomplish something . This is ground level development for most of us and the team itself after a teardown in the off season . It might not be as pretty as some would like to see the first part of this season or even at the midway part....We still are very very young in many areas of this club . Let's give Gallant and Drury some games to work with these guys before we crucify them.....remember how a Gallant led Team Canada started at the World's in the Spring....and finished with the Gold ????? We'll be OK ....