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All the homers need to stop pretending the team has no fault. They do. They have a problem with their young forwards. They always have, frankly.
The list of young forwards that have had issues is significantly smaller than the ones that haven’t had issues.

Lias and Kravstov had their tires pumped by the organization in different ways and reacted really poorly when reality punched them in the faces.
 
I have serious doubt that another team would give us a 1st for him. If they did I would take it. I wouldn't make a deal just for his sake. We'll need to get some real value back and he can pound salt until that happens. The Rangers own his rights until he's 27. We have time. His going to the Islanders is really laughable. No teams in our own division unless they pay a premium.

Barring that I suspect the Rangers will find a landing spot for him somewhere in Europe and he'll get moved at the TDL or next year's draft. Keep in mind Buffalo and Arizona needs players too. Arizona in fact right now has 7 draft picks in the first two rounds of the '22 draft. It should be easy for him to make a weak team. He won't have to fight very hard for a spot.
 
We have also learned that at least one teammate advised Kravtsov that ice time must be earned in the NHL and is not bequeathed on draft position alone. The fact is that Kravtsov did not earn a spot on the opening roster off his training camp performance.



Let him sit out the season. The Rangers toll his contract. He refused an assignment to the AHL and the Rangers suspended him.

Drury has already moved out Bobrov. Clark was reassigned last year.
 
Dreger leak sounds like it came directly from the agent. Paints kravtsov in good light, Rangers in bad light. Put the value of him high to make teams bite that he’s a top 6 player. Shows willingness to go to the ahl and sign a show me deal next year, yet he has not shown any of that with the Rangers. Multiple exit interviews gone bad. Kid just wants to cut ties and wants no part of the organization, except the statement doesn’t guarantee that he doesn’t pull the same stunts somewhere else. If he’s set on being a NHLer the kid really played his hand wrong thinking he was the smartest guy in the room. He better sell that return bc if the Rangers don’t get the value they perceive, they can basically bury his chances of playing in the NHL.
 
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Dreger leak sounds like it came directly from the agent. Paints kravtsov in good light, Rangers in bad light. Put the value of him high to make teams bite that he’s a top 6 player. Shows willingness to go to the ahl and sign a show me deal next year, yet he has not shown any of that with the Rangers. Multiple exit interviews gone bad. Kid just wants to cut ties and wants no part of the organization, except the statement doesn’t guarantee that he doesn’t pull the same stunts somewhere else. If he’s set on being a NHLer the kid really played his hand wrong thinking he was the smartest guy in the room. He better sell that return bc if the Rangers don’t get the value they perceive, they can basically bury his chances of playing in the NHL.

Sure, or the organization could continue blumbling their prospects and assets and Krav could have a terrific career somewhere else.

Seriously, over the last like 8 years, what prospects have the Rangers developed? I think only Lindgren, Fox, who they didn't even draft, Shesterkin, who was ready and developed by the time he got to the NHL and Chytil to an extent, have been successfully developed. That's just a horrible track record. Like, AWFUL. And I am not saying Kakko or Laf are busts, but damn, to have two top, "guaranteed" prospects like that stagnate, or not progress, at least in Kakko's case offensively, is very worrying. Not closing the door on either yet, but both are concerning IMO. And if one of them fails to reach their potential, without having Kravtsov here as a safety net, this team is screwed for a decade. Meanwhile, players like Pionk, JT Miller and Lias Andersson seem to be thriving elsewhere, and Buch and Blackwell I think are likely to do similar. And now possibly Kravtsov too. Just looking at our prospect fail/success rate, or what the players we move/let go do, this franchise has been an absolute disaster. Pretty much everything we have, outside of our prospects who haven't yet been ruined, we bought.

He wouldn't be the first or the last cocky young player, Russian or otherwise. And ultimately, such a cocky mindset, at least to the extent it's detrimental to the player or team, usually is grown out of with age. I think only a small number of players, or people for that matter, relative to the whole, don't learn at least a little humility as they get older.

If this was the first time something like this had happened with this franchise in the last few years, that would be one thing. But it isn't. And I think it's far more likely the Rangers continue to make mistakes like this than there is of Kravtsov alienating himself on whatever club he goes to.

But it's possible I guess.
 
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So you dont believe that story but you run and believe brooks’ story? Okay
Well I'm just curious, you said earlier that you don't believe everything you read...but you sure seem to believe anything that fits your narrative.

I vaguely remember ab unsubstantiated story that the team said it looked into and found nothing. That's really all I remember.
 


Let him sit out the season. The Rangers toll his contract. He refused an assignment to the AHL and the Rangers suspended him.

Drury has already moved out Bobrov. Clark was reassigned last year.

Brooks might be kinda dumb.

"Of course, there is this, too: It is impossible that of the, say, 100 top-10 draft picks over the last 10 years, Andersson and Kravtsov are the only two teenagers with disproportionate egos. So again, Drury must determine what, if anything, the Rangers did wrong in working with these young athletes."

For most of those 100, we don't know because their play earned ice time commensurate with their expectations. For those that didn't, some took similar action. Nichushkin and Puljujarvi bolted. Drouin refused to report to the AHL. Bennett and Dubois asked for a trade when they didn't like their situations. Kotkaniemi reportedly told the Habs he was done with them after he was scratched in the playoffs. Doesn't Larry cover the NHL for a living?
 
Sure, or the organization could continue blumbling their prospects and assets and Krav could have a terrific career somewhere else.

Seriously, over the last like 8 years, what prospects have the Rangers developed? I think only Lindgren, Fox, who they didn't even draft, Shesterkin, who was ready and developed by the time he got to the NHL and Chytil to an extent, have been successfully developed. That's just a horrible track record. Like, AWFUL. And I am not saying Kakko or Laf are busts, but damn, to have two top, "guaranteed" prospects like that stagnate, or not progress, at least in Kakko's case offensively, is very worrying. Not closing the door on either yet, but both are concerning IMO. And if one of them fails to reach their potential, without having Kravtsov here as a safety net, this team is screwed for a decade. Meanwhile, players like Pionk, JT Miller and Lias Andersson seem to be thriving elsewhere, and Buch and Blackwell I think are likely to do similar. And now possibly Kravtsov too. Just looking at our prospect fail/success rate, or what the players we move/let go do, this franchise has been an absolute disaster. Pretty much everything we have, outside of our prospects who haven't yet been ruined, we bought.

He wouldn't be the first or the last cocky young player, Russian or otherwise. And ultimately, such a cocky mindset, at least to the extent it's detrimental to the player or team, usually is grown out of with age. I think only a small number of players, or people for that matter, relative to the whole, don't learn at least a little humility as they get older.

If this was the first time something like this had happened with this franchise in the last few years, that would be one thing. But it isn't. And I think it's far more likely the Rangers continue to make mistakes like this than there is of Kravtsov alienating himself on whatever club he goes to.

But it's possible I guess.

oh there’s definitely a problem internally. And it’s been like this forever. Sather Gorton Drury are all similar minds who wouldn’t mind burying a guys career to establish their dominance. What I was trying to say is that the player and agent should know this as well. They made a bold move over these last two days. Drury called his bluff and said you can talk to other teams to facilitate a trade. He has the last word on value and whether he will accept it. Now you gotta do Drury work, on top of pissing him off, building a grudge. It’s not a good strategy for wanting out of an organization.

Now theres plenty of room to discuss internal issues in management separate of how kravtsov and his agent has managed the situation from their end.
 
Tampa had problems with Drouin. They took a lot of flak for that. So did the player. Fortunately they resolved it and got a good return. Drouin was more established and more highly-regarded. Literally the next year they drafted DeAngelo. When they realized he was going to be a problem, they moved on. The 19th pick became the 37th pick.

Things don't always work out. Players come with issues that maybe you didn't anticipate or you thought you could work through. Let's see how the team can resolve it. If they can get a good return, great. Even though I like Cuylle that wasn't a "great" return from Andersson. You can't compare him to Drouin though because Drouin was 10x the prospect. Andersson was more comparable to DeAngelo honestly.

In no way am I absolving the team of everything here--personally I would have tried to be more proactive in moving him--but again, shit happens. Not just to us.
 
oh there’s definitely a problem internally. And it’s been like this forever. Sather Gorton Drury are all similar minds who wouldn’t mind burying a guys career to establish their dominance. What I was trying to say is that the player and agent should know this as well. They made a bold move over these last two days. Drury called his bluff and said you can talk to other teams to facilitate a trade. He has the last word on value and whether he will accept it. Now you gotta do Drury work, on top of pissing him off, building a grudge. It’s not a good strategy for wanting out of an organization.

Now theres plenty of room to discuss internal issues in management separate of how kravtsov and his agent has managed the situation from their end.

Plausible.

My main question right now, is what went on behind closed doors? Did they promise or imply to he or his agent that he had a roster spot? Did someone lie to him or mislead him? I doubt we will ever know, but I could see something like this happening. I definitely think they sent him a message, for numerous reasons, perhaps indirectly, that he at least likely had a roster spot.

And I definitely see a double standard with some players getting a spot not based at all on performance, while other players perform and didn't get a roster spot. So that in itself could be enough to set a kid like this off, making an unfortunate and rash decision to refuse Hartford.

But really, I still think it's plausible he was outright deceived or lied to, off the record at least, which would help explain everything that has happened since. And if something like that did happen, I'm not sure I could totally blame Kravtsov for reacting rashly. But obviously this is just speculation based on the series of events at this point.
 
The list of young forwards that have had issues is significantly smaller than the ones that haven’t had issues.

Lias and Kravstov had their tires pumped by the organization in different ways and reacted really poorly when reality punched them in the faces.

Yeah but it should be zero.
 
Well I'm just curious, you said earlier that you don't believe everything you read...but you sure seem to believe anything that fits your narrative.

I vaguely remember ab unsubstantiated story that the team said it looked into and found nothing. That's really all I remember.
I mean, didnt Lias himself say he was bullied? That’s pretty much straight from the source unless i’m mis remembering it.
 
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A bunch of sensitive millennials.
I got no time for any of that.
If K was not an organizational fit he should have been moved long before it got to this. If you just sucked it up and let him play he would get 60 points on this team and just sell him high.
But Drury has too big an ego to do that.
 
Well I'm just curious, you said earlier that you don't believe everything you read...but you sure seem to believe anything that fits your narrative.

I vaguely remember ab unsubstantiated story that the team said it looked into and found nothing. That's really all I remember.
Lias said it in a Swedish interview(again this was months ago so if I’m remembering it incorrectly i’ll admit i’m wrong), so i tend to believe stuff like that from the players themselves more than a beat reporter who is known to BS for clicks. That’s all.
 
A bunch of sensitive millennials.
I got no time for any of that.
If K was not an organizational fit he should have been moved long before it got to this. If you just sucked it up and let him play he would get 60 points on this team and just sell him high.
But Drury has too big an ego to do that.
Technically Kravtsov is Gen Z so.......
 
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