Confirmed with Link: Kravtsov requests trade

[mas0764]

You mean like not reporting when assigned to the AHL for a second time? Cause if it happens more than once, it just might be considered recurring.

I meant if anyone else starts to act out.

love the “he’s only 21” excuse….please advise what age is the minimum for someone to be considered responsible for himself.

He's already responsible for himself. The fact that he's only 21, however, puts into context why perhaps the organization should have reacted differently. It's not an either-or situation as much as some homers want it to be so that they can absolve Pizza Boy.

 

[clmetsfan]

Did you not see his one-timer last game? Do you think Hunt or Gauthier could have done that?

I honestly can't tell if this is supposed to be a serious argument.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Lol man people will defend anything Drury does at this point, he could trade Lafreniere for a 3rd round pick and people would defend it. If you would’ve told anyone a few days ago that we had Hajek, Hunt, Gauthier, Rooney, etc on our roster and sent down Kravtsov they wouldn’t believe you. This is yet another bonehead move to add to the laundry list. A literal monkey could do Drury’s job better than he can. He makes Benning & Chiarelli look like Einstein.

Most of the chatter I’ve seen calls Drury out for poor asset management (as well as Krats attitude). Sending Krat down is a valid hockey move whether one agrees with it or not.

 

[WojtekWolski86]

Kakko & Laf are the ones who were handed everything without paying dues. Kravtsov is the one getting shafted

The fallout from sending a #1 or #2 pick is completely different than any other draft pick or "elder" prospect. No matter how much the AHL could potentially help KK or AL, the fallout for both the organization or player is like waving the white flag and automatically points to "bust"

At the same point, has Kaako or Laf ever said "I deserve more ice time, PP time, etc" when they were struggling? They may have alluded that it was an adjustment for them, but both players, Kaako especially, went back and worked on their games. Kaako was god awful his rookie year and came back with a 200 foot focus because he knew that's how he would get ice time, not demanding it in exit interviews.

 

[clmetsfan]

You did a lot of ignoring of your own because the answer to your question was explained many times in this thread.

"He's got talent" is not an argument for how he's earned a spot.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Most of the chatter I’ve seen calls Drury out for poor asset management (as well as Krats attitude). Sending Krat down is a valid hockey move whether one agrees with it or not.

I don’t know, I see a whole lot of defending Drury and people doing a 180 on Krav and putting him down as a player, not just for the maturity. It seems people are trying to justify Drurys actions when I’m certain that over 95% of us wouldn’t have sent Krav down if we were Drury.

 

[nyr2k2]

I meant if anyone else starts to act out.



He's already responsible for himself. The fact that he's only 21, however, puts into context why perhaps the organization should have reacted differently. It's not an either-or situation as much as some homers want it to be so that they can absolve Pizza Boy.

I feel like there's quite a bit of this on both "sides" of the argument where some posters (particularly the Kravtsov Boner crew) must insist over and over that this is all on Drury and the team, that it's terrible asset management, shows a lack of emotional intelligence, demonstrates favoritism and a lack of true merit-based roster moves, etc. And then acknowledging that oh-yeah-maybe Kravtsov could have handled it differently.

Both the team and Kravtsov share responsibility. But, it's not equal responsibility. The team handled it in a less than ideal manner but Kravtsov is a whiny little bitch who shoulders most of the responsibility here.

 

[ohbaby]

i dont think Gallant lied about having a captain.... so basically u are just pissed and making ridiculous claims about our new coach without having one iota of evidence to back it up....

Did you watch any of his press conferences? Wake up. He said "You can bet on it." He outright lied. Drury said the same all summer long. We didn't bring this up. The media didn't bring this up. THEY brought it up. We were fine with having no captain for years now. It was their idea. It was them who said they have plenty of leaders to choose from and one will be chosen by opening day. Drury must have had someone in mind to even suggest this in the summer. WTF happened?

It's really is no big deal if we have a captain or not. But having the new head coach lie about it, doesn't sit well. And now we are to believe that Kravy lost his spot to Hunt and Gauthier, please... it was all about the waiver wire. Kravy was exempt, Hajek was not.

 

[mas0764]

Team talked a lot about defined roles. Seems pretty defined to me right now

that third line with Hunt on it should be a puck possession line. He shouldn’t fit very differently than a Blake Coleman opposite Goodrow

the PP units seem straight forward. No one thst should be on one of the units will not be on one. Even Chytil should finally get consistent PP2 time.

I think Gallant expects his top 2 lines to score and his bottom to lines to forecheck and be hard to play against.

kravtsov just isn’t a fit here. Really isn’t. Even if it wasn’t Hunt, Morgan Barron would be a better fit in the bottom 6 than Kravtsov, and both Chytil and Blais can play up in the top 6 when needed.

I came to a different conclusion but this is kinda exactly what I said.

Buch being moved was definitely at least partially about freeing up a spot for Kravtsov in a skill role.

Once they determined Kreider would take that spot instead, for God knows what reason, as I think Kreider is taylor-made for a heavier role with Chytil and Goodrow on the third line against lesser competition, in his natural position to boot, there was no more spot for Kravtsov.

There was no competition. There was no earning it. They want the third line, as you said, to be a defined role, a grit and possession line. Kravtsov has no chance in that role right now. They want him to go down to Hartford and learn to grind so he can come back and take that role eventually.

Kravtsov has no interest in that. He wants to play a skill game in the top 6. When they moved Kreider to that role on that line, all opportunity vanished for what Kravtsov can actually do at this point in time. He wasn't beaten out, per se, his role was backfilled, and he doesn't possess the skill set to do what they want the third line to do.

That's why he was going to Hartford again and that's why he said, "F this." He doesn't want to be that kind of player.

I understand the team's perspective but again, perhaps they should consider that

a) They don't need Kravtsov to be a heavy player, not every player needs to be a power forward, having just one more skilled player in the lineup who can pass and snipe is also a good thing, and
b) If they were hell bent on shoe-horning him into that without his consent, they should have known this blowup was coming and should have traded him while he retained value before it occurred.

Maybe they will smooth it back out. Who knows. Doesn't seem like early indications are that that is possible.

 

[EdJovanovski]

"He's got talent" is not an argument for how he's earned a spot.

You accommodate your young talent at the expense of career 4th liners & journeymen, not the other way around. He 100% deserved to make the team.

 

[mas0764]

I feel like there's quite a bit of this on both "sides" of the argument where some posters (particularly the Kravtsov Boner crew) must insist over and over that this is all on Drury and the team, that it's terrible asset management, shows a lack of emotional intelligence, demonstrates favoritism and a lack of true merit-based roster moves, etc. And then acknowledging that oh-yeah-maybe Kravtsov could have handled it differently.

Both the team and Kravtsov share responsibility. But, it's not equal responsibility. The team handled it in a less than ideal manner but Kravtsov is a whiny little bitch who shoulders most of the responsibility here.

I kind of feel like the team should have given Kravtsov an opportunity to play in the top 6, or, conversely, to ease up on their requirements for grit and played him at least on the third line.

While a bad attitude can't be blamed on anyone else I feel the final arbiter of this conflict was the team making the wrong choice in how to deploy him.

 

[mas0764]

"He's got talent" is not an argument for how he's earned a spot.

Sure it is.

I don't care about seniority or even the fact, and it is a fact, that Kreider is better.

The better fit for the team is playing Kreider on the third line and fostering the talent in your young star.

 

[Kovalev27]

I personally have been saying Kreider would have to move to RW like the second lafreniere was drafted so I can’t say buch was moved to free up a spot for kravtsov because I’ve always said on here this was going to be the outcome.

trading buch freed up MONEY more than anything to eventually pay these young guys coming up. We could not commit big money to anther skilled winger not named kakko or lafreniere. Just couldn’t

 

[effen]

You accommodate your young talent at the expense of career 4th liners & journeymen, not the other way around. He 100% deserved to make the team.

OK, then follow the logical path. He makes the team, scrub X is waived, he's not in the opening night lineup. He cool with that? OK he plays some of the next few games, maybe all of them, but is on the 4th line? He OK with that? He's on the team at the all-star break and has yet to get significant top 6 time or PP time. He cool with that?

Remember, he chafed badly being on the 4th line last year when he was less experienced. I'm not even saying he's wrong in his assessments of himself, but can you see where his immediate path here is pretty tough? Why are we all just assuming stapling him on the 3rd line makes everything hunky dory?

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

I don’t know, I see a whole lot of defending Drury and people doing a 180 on Krav and putting him down as a player, not just for the maturity. It seems people are trying to justify Drurys actions when I’m certain that over 95% of us wouldn’t have sent Krav down if we were Drury.

Lol we’re probably reading the same posts and maybe you’re taking more note of the Drury apologists than I. I don’t think Krav is a bad kid, I think he’s got a great future unless he sabotages it. I think people are frustrated that he would make this mistake for the 2nd time. I think there time for a Mea culpa but he’s gotta take it by the horns and quick. His competition was Gauthier basically, I wasn’t there so I don’t know what I’d do (I’m no Goat fan) but what I do know if that you don’t carry an extra guy because you’re afraid to send him down. He’s young and needs to play minutes

 

[MysticLeviathan]

All this hand wringing over sending a 21-year-old down the AHL and I still haven't seen a single Kravtsov defender explain why they think he's earned a spot. No one is disputing that he has the talent to be a top-6 NHL forward, but so did Pavel Brendl. Kravtsov spent a week or two last season looking like he belonged, and that's about it. What are the rest of us missing?

I think it's important to mention his skill. I think he performed well this pre-season before getting injured and he played well despite playing on the 4th line las season. I think he's far better in the 2nd line in his natural position rather than forcing Kreider into being a RW. I honestly believe they're forcing him to play RW to justify the contract they gave him. I don't mind him playing PP1 minutes, I do mind him playing 2nd line minutes. I really think the 2nd should be Laf-Zib-Krav and the 3rd line should be Kreider-Chytil-Blais. I think these lines work and make sense, have good balance, and fit to these players skills and abilities. And if they don't, if there are issues, you adjust. I think he performed well enough to stay in the big leagues.

 

[clmetsfan]

You accommodate your young talent at the expense of career 4th liners & journeymen, not the other way around. He 100% deserved to make the team.

It's a two-way street. Kravtsov was accommodated by being given the inside track at a roster spot, and he blew it with a lackluster preseason. At some point, you have to prove it on the ice. When a player fails multiple times to take advantage of his opportunity, is he supposed to be given endless leeway to prove that he belongs?

 

[clmetsfan]

I think it's important to mention his skill. I think he performed well this pre-season before getting injured and he played well despite playing on the 4th line las season. I think he's far better in the 2nd line in his natural position rather than forcing Kreider into being a RW. I honestly believe they're forcing him to play RW to justify the contract they gave him. I don't mind him playing PP1 minutes, I do mind him playing 2nd line minutes. I really think the 2nd should be Laf-Zib-Krav and the 3rd line should be Kreider-Chytil-Blais. I think these lines work and make sense, have good balance, and fit to these players skills and abilities. And if they don't, if there are issues, you adjust. I think he performed well enough to stay in the big leagues.

The injury and the time it cost him only adds to the reasoning why it's not the end of the world to send him down for a couple weeks. The games count now, and if he was interested in contributing he'd understand that.

 

[EdJovanovski]

It's a two-way street. Kravtsov was accommodated by being given the inside track at a roster spot, and he blew it with a lackluster preseason. At some point, you have to prove it on the ice. When a player fails multiple times to take advantage of his opportunity, is he supposed to be given endless leeway to prove that he belongs?

How did he have a lackluster preseason? He was the best player on our team his first game, got injured after 5 minutes in the second, and scored a goal (with a one timer on the right side, something we sorely lack) in the third.

 

[clmetsfan]

How did he have a lackluster preseason? He was the best player on our team his first game, got injured after 5 minutes in the second, and scored a goal (with a one timer on the right side, something we sorely lack) in the third.

Because he was invisible for large periods at a time and continued to be useless in his own end.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Because he was invisible for large periods at a time and continued to be useless in his own end.

Large periods at a time? Like when lol
I could literally slice up a video if people are really that blind to prove he was the first man on the backcheck nearly every single shift, usually even before the second dman. He is better both offensively and defensively than any of those scrubs who made it over him. He’s also one of the only great skaters on our team. Only good left shot one timer. He has so many attributes that we sorely need

 

[huerter]

Dreger pouring cold water on the meltdown. Fun while it lasted.

 

[n8]

Sure it is.

I don't care about seniority or even the fact, and it is a fact, that Kreider is better.

The better fit for the team is playing Kreider on the third line and fostering the talent in your young star.

"he's got talent" does not have a qualifier. You can say that about anyone who's playing hockey professionally.
It's a really blah statement. It's not like Gallant said "he's got game-breaking talent" or "he's got top 6 talent"
My point is "he's got talent" isn't really enough to read into.

Before the season started, I had my top 9 as
Laf-Zibs-Kakko
Panarin-Chytil-Kravtsov
Kreider-Strome-Blais

 

[FireGerardGallant]

I wonder why he wouldn’t play for us in the AHL. Something has to be wrong there

 

[LOFIN]

I wonder why he wouldn’t play for us in the AHL. Something has to be wrong there

Meh, other guys have reported there and not having issues. I suppose he just feels it's over for him and the Rangers. A shame, but it is what it is. I hope Drury doesn't just give him away. Kinda like with Puljujärvi and Edmonton, tell him that we are willing to trade you, but it has to help the Rangers. Play in Hartford or Russia while waiting for that trade to take place.