Confirmed with Link: Kravtsov requests trade

[sbjnyc]

I'm not really interested in making those judgments about 21 year old kids. Kravtsov deserves criticism for his handling of this without making sweeping final judgments on who he is as a person.

40-60 year old millionaires and billionaires on the other hand should know better.

Krav's been a pro for years now. He signed a 2 way contract. He knows what the entails. I think Brett Howden was a bad influence on him.

It's not? I mean, I understand it's a city of half a million people, but it's way the F out there. It has to be isolated in some respects.

It's a major port city on the sea of Japan, not a village on Lake Tippecanoe.

 

[Lua]

Damn people around here turn on players fast. Isnt the first , won’t be the last.

Guess people don't like spoiled, entitled rich kids who throw temper tantrums when they're asked to pay their dues like everyone else

 

[EdJovanovski]

Guess people don't like spoiled, entitled rich kids who throw temper tantrums when they're asked to pay their dues like everyone else

Kakko & Laf are the ones who were handed everything without paying dues. Kravtsov is the one getting shafted

 

[Lua]

That's because his linemates held him back, duh.

The funny thing is that for all the shit our fanbase gave Sedlak, if you watched the games you could see he was head and shoulders a more effective hockey player than Kravstov

 

[Lua]

Kakko & Laf are the ones who were handed everything without paying dues. Kravtsov is the one getting shafted

Like everyone else who isn't a first and second overall pick that the organization is entirely reliant on for their future success*

Though to be fair, there were certainly times where I thought Kakko should have seasoned in the AHL for a bit.

Whatever, Pajuniemi is my best friend now

 

[nyr2k2]

The funny thing is that for all the shit our fanbase gave Sedlak, if you watched the games you could see he was head and shoulders a more effective hockey player than Kravstov

Yeah I always defended Sedlak and Hyka. The line functioned well as a unit, not dissimilar to Panarin, Strome, and Fast. Fast obviously wasn't as naturally talented as the other two, but the things he did allowed the line to be successful. Sedlak was similar. Yeah he didn't convert every glorious opportunity he had but a lot of the other opportunities that were created by Hyka and Kravtsov wouldn't have existed without what he was doing. Blaming him for Kravtsov's production was a losing argument and a poor excuse.

 

[Peltz]

A little context is required, is all.

Are the Rangers in the right to demote a player to the AHL at their prerogative? Yes. Should Kravtsov have accepted the demotion? Yes. Is Kravtsov in the wrong for acting out after being demoted? Yes.

But one of these parties is a 21 year old kid. Athletes do stupid things and misbehave all the time because they are idiots, mostly. These are people who play games for a living, not Rhodes Scholars.

The organization should know how to handle one of it's players doing something wrong, in a better fashion. For that they have blame, and on top of that, they really should have known how to solve this issue before he got to his misbehaving, because they had gone down this road before. They have to know better because they have more responsibility for the entire franchise and its fans to know it all and solve these problems.

Totally valid response to my post. I agree with you.

 

[Peltz]

You should get some perspective. How could this not effect his teammates he has been with for weeks. Are they not human? Do they not have hearts?

They are people too with feelings. And just like here, they will have opinions both ways on how this was handled. They need this like a hole in the head.

You don't think the players are gonna question the Coach's critique on them, after lying through his teeth, twice before the season has even started?

Eh... I don't think the starting players are going to be basket cases over a player being sent down to Hartford throwing a temper tantrum. Sorry, but that sounds absurd.

If anything, the players are probably negatively judging Kravstov harder than any fan would. They're all pros that do not complain like children no matter where they're assigned.

 

[LOFIN]

Kakko & Laf are the ones who were handed everything without paying dues. Kravtsov is the one getting shafted

That's kinda expected when we are talking about 2nd OA and 1st OA picks...

And I'm pretty sure neither of them would fail to report to the AHL, if that would've been case for say Kakko in his 1st year.

 

[ohbaby]

I think we are overstating the amount of problems one 21 year old misbehaving is going to cause.

So because Kravtsov pouts and is allowed to get away without being suspended, that means everyone is going to start acting that way?

I don't think so.

It's more than that now. You now have the new coach making up horsehockey lies to cover tracks. He has already lied about naming a captain. Now he lies to us about him losing his spot to other wingers. BULL! It was nothing but a business decision to hang onto a 8th D-man who is now way down in the depth chart. Let's get real.

Is Hajek gonna play this year? Not unless two or three D-men go down to injuries. Why are we hanging on to him? He is the reason Kravy isn't on the roster, plain and simple. Got nothing to do with winning a spot or Hunt and Gauthier outplaying him.

 

[NYR Viper]

It's more than that now. You now have the new coach making up puckhockey lies to cover tracks. He has already lied about naming a captain. Now he lies to us about him losing his spot to other wingers. BULL! It was nothing but a business decision to hang onto a 8th D-man who is now way down in the depth chart. Let's get real.

Is Hajek gonna play this year? Not unless two or three D-men go down to injuries. Why are we hanging on to him? He is the reason Kravy isn't on the roster, plain and simple. Got nothing to do with winning a spot or Hunt and Gauthier outplaying him.

In the year of COVID, losing 2 d-men can happen VERY quickly. All it takes is a roadtrip where Fox and Lingren are hanging out together and one of them comes in contact with someone who tests positive.

 

[ohbaby]

Eh... I don't think the starting players are going to be basket cases over a player being sent down to Hartford throwing a temper tantrum. Sorry, but that sounds absurd.

If anything, the players are probably negatively judging Kravstov harder than any fan would. They're all pros that do not complain like children no matter where they're assigned.

Who said anything about being basket cases. Come on. But they will have feelings on this, for and against, just like the millions of Rangers fans. And they have to play the game and deal with the coach and the organization. Let's face it,... it would have been better without all this drama.

 

[clmetsfan]

All this hand wringing over sending a 21-year-old down the AHL and I still haven't seen a single Kravtsov defender explain why they think he's earned a spot. No one is disputing that he has the talent to be a top-6 NHL forward, but so did Pavel Brendl. Kravtsov spent a week or two last season looking like he belonged, and that's about it. What are the rest of us missing?

 

[Ruggs225]

It's more than that now. You now have the new coach making up puckhockey lies to cover tracks. He has already lied about naming a captain. Now he lies to us about him losing his spot to other wingers. BULL! It was nothing but a business decision to hang onto a 8th D-man who is now way down in the depth chart. Let's get real.

Is Hajek gonna play this year? Not unless two or three D-men go down to injuries. Why are we hanging on to him? He is the reason Kravy isn't on the roster, plain and simple. Got nothing to do with winning a spot or Hunt and Gauthier outplaying him.

i dont think Gallant lied about having a captain. I think he wanted too, but maybe none really appeared in the locker room. So instead of just choosing one for the sake of having one he is waiting for one to emerge. We arent privvy to what goes behind closed doors.
Krav really did nothing to separate himself for a top 6 slot. Maybe gallant and driry felt ita better for a player like hin to get a ton of minutes in the AHL rather than being relegated to 3rd line or 4th line. And again u dont know how he practices either bc we arent privvy to that.

so basically u are just pissed and making ridiculous claims about our new coach without having one iota of evidence to back it up.

there is more evidence that krav is a primadonna than gallant being a liar though. But whatebver makes you happy.

 

[EdJovanovski]

All this hand wringing over sending a 21-year-old down the AHL and I still haven't seen a single Kravtsov defender explain why they think he's earned a spot. No one is disputing that he has the talent to be a top-6 NHL forward, but so did Pavel Brendl. Kravtsov spent a week or two last season looking like he belonged, and that's about it. What are the rest of us missing?

Lol man people will defend anything Drury does at this point, he could trade Lafreniere for a 3rd round pick and people would defend it. If you would’ve told anyone a few days ago that we had Hajek, Hunt, Gauthier, Rooney, etc on our roster and sent down Kravtsov they wouldn’t believe you. This is yet another bonehead move to add to the laundry list. A literal monkey could do Drury’s job better than he can. He makes Benning & Chiarelli look like Einstein.

 

[Kovalev27]

Team talked a lot about defined roles. Seems pretty defined to me right now

that third line with Hunt on it should be a puck possession line. He shouldn’t fit very differently than a Blake Coleman opposite Goodrow

the PP units seem straight forward. No one thst should be on one of the units will not be on one. Even Chytil should finally get consistent PP2 time.

I think Gallant expects his top 2 lines to score and his bottom to lines to forecheck and be hard to play against.

kravtsov just isn’t a fit here. Really isn’t. Even if it wasn’t Hunt, Morgan Barron would be a better fit in the bottom 6 than Kravtsov, and both Chytil and Blais can play up in the top 6 when needed.

 

[clmetsfan]

Lol man people will defend anything Drury does at this point, he could trade Lafreniere for a 3rd round pick and people would defend it. If you would’ve told anyone a few days ago that we had Hajek, Hunt, Gauthier, Rooney, etc on our roster and sent down Kravtsov they wouldn’t believe you. This is yet another bonehead move to add to the laundry list. A literal monkey could do Drury’s job better than he can. He makes Benning & Chiarelli look like Einstein.

That's a lot of words to completely ignore the question.

 

[nyr2k2]

i dont think Gallant lied about having a captain. I think he wanted too, but maybe none really appeared in the locker room. So instead of just choosing one for the sake of having one he is waiting for one to emerge. We arent privvy to what goes behind closed doors.
Krav really did nothing to separate himself for a top 6 slot. Maybe gallant and driry felt ita better for a player like hin to get a ton of minutes in the AHL rather than being relegated to 3rd line or 4th line. And again u dont know how he practices either bc we arent privvy to that.

so basically u are just pissed and making ridiculous claims about our new coach without having one iota of evidence to back it up.

there is more evidence that krav is a primadonna than gallant being a liar though. But whatebver makes you happy.

Yeah what did he say, if he were a betting man his money would be on having a captain before the opener? We all assumed that meant it was imminent but maybe it wasn't. If he talked to the guys and everyone said hey, we're a leadership-by-committee team, Turk will listen to his guys and go with that. He's not going to force a captain just because. I don't see a lie being told, I see him anticipating something and it not actually happening. Big f***ing deal.

 

[Mandar]

I think we are overstating the amount of problems one 21 year old misbehaving is going to cause.

So because Kravtsov pouts and is allowed to get away without being suspended, that means everyone is going to start acting that way?

I don't think so.

You can also always drop the hammer later if it becomes a recurring problem.

You mean like not reporting when assigned to the AHL for a second time? Cause if it happens more than once, it just might be considered recurring.

love the “he’s only 21” excuse….please advise what age is the minimum for someone to be considered responsible for himself.

 

[ohbaby]

In the year of COVID, losing 2 d-men can happen VERY quickly. All it takes is a roadtrip where Fox and Lingren are hanging out together and one of them comes in contact with someone who tests positive.

You could say the same about right wing. And without Kravy we are now weak there. We have much more depth on the blueline than right wing.

 

[ohbaby]

All this hand wringing over sending a 21-year-old down the AHL and I still haven't seen a single Kravtsov defender explain why they think he's earned a spot. No one is disputing that he has the talent to be a top-6 NHL forward, but so did Pavel Brendl. Kravtsov spent a week or two last season looking like he belonged, and that's about it. What are the rest of us missing?

Did you not see his one-timer last game? Do you think Hunt or Gauthier could have done that?

 

[Mandar]

All this hand wringing over sending a 21-year-old down the AHL and I still haven't seen a single Kravtsov defender explain why they think he's earned a spot. No one is disputing that he has the talent to be a top-6 NHL forward, but so did Pavel Brendl. Kravtsov spent a week or two last season looking like he belonged, and that's about it. What are the rest of us missing?

You must have missed how many votes he got in the first preseason game…isn’t that good enough? Or what about his stats from 3 years ago…the same poster touts him being the greatest prospect ever seen in KHL playoffs….isn’t that more than enough? I read somewhere he had the best camp of any of our players….I believe the term that poster used was “AINEC”.

you must be watching a different player….

 

[nyr2k2]

You mean like not reporting when assigned to the AHL for a second time? Cause if it happens more than once, it just might be considered recurring.

love the “he’s only 21” excuse….please advise what age is the minimum for someone to be considered responsible for himself.

The other thing is, he's 21, sure, but we're not talking about some kid out on the town who lost his head and pissed on some cars and punched out a window while hammered. This is a professional athlete who has an agent (after shitcanning the old one), advisors, a wealthy family supporting him, etc. This wasn't a rash decision made simply because he's young and stupid. I think the best defense of the decision he made would be that he's getting bad advice. Being 21 is a lame excuse given the resources and support he has.

EDIT: Pretty sure I typed exactly the same thing in a Lias Andersson thread. LOL.

 

[NYR Viper]

The Islanders have a template where they insert Wahlstrom regularly last year but had a heavier lineup against certain teams. I get the sense that Gauthier will be used similarly.

Hunt is more similar to Clutterbuck in that he skates really well and is a physical in your-face guy.

 

[mas0764]

That's a lot of words to completely ignore the question.

You did a lot of ignoring of your own because the answer to your question was explained many times in this thread.