Confirmed with Link: Kravtsov requests trade

[CasusBelli]

This guy is starting to remind me of the great Andrei Kostitsyn.

 

[jay from jersey]

I might also add Pajuniemi had a very good camp. He made a lot of smart plays and he has a shot. The Rangers kept him over in Finland an extra year to work on his overall game and it looked good. After Barron he is the forward prospect in Hartford I’m most intrigued by. He came really close twice to scoring in preseason games rocketing one off the crossbar and getting absolutely robbed by Bernier in the first Devils game.

he has a serious big league shot no doubt. Be he’s seriously going to have to work I’m adding muscle and strength if his legs. He should run steps 50 times a day. Right now he’s way too easy to knock off the puck and it’s doubtful he’s going to win a lot of 1v1 battles at the nhl level. It’s looks like a stiff breeze would knock him off the puck on his ass at this point.
Smaller guys at the nhl level really need tree trunks for legs. Lower half power will also improve his shot as well.
Right now I put him in my interesting basket just like Skinner. You see the potential, but both need a lot of work to make it. Both need to be re-evaluated in 2-3 years.

 

[DutchNYR]

hello interesting. somewhat.'

just jumping in here. from toiletroom in fact. been a pushing and dropping heavy things and then just randomly seeing this news in toiletchair. as there many thoughts came out so here it goes.

not so surprising this. there seem many guys trying makin spots at top lines of prioritated offensive lines of this team. so much frustrations and fightings of not often at this levels even at NHL seen i think. some must go it seem. or some ..hey wait..listen...they even at kakko maybe trying makin him a defensivespecialist. think about this. too many man at this system for offensive missions. but hey. kakko must not be at that place. he offensive number 1 here or something wrong. at him question is is he blobbed beyond all recognizing or only musselated? this is somewhat worrying at this point. what for future ?

anyways...i can imagining after summer boys meeted at N : Y again and some guys having hard tensions, hard thoughts. other relaxed knowing they from team headquarters and coaches a trusted and wanted. imagine kravtsov coming in and seein heavily musselated? kakko after summer for examples. and then zibanjenad makin papers for 8 years of superdollars. so what have a kravtsov from not northern american territory a thinking?

another thing listen. they want him at AHL to playing. think like this. there a new world. there can be quit hard rough atmosphere and problemated mates and players. lots of other things there than hockey a going . beer drinking in heavy stylee after and before game, pusching and fisting whit teammates on streets for sure or in small apartment for himself to get locked with candy and VideoGames for selfpleasure comforts. all this and no teamdoctors from anywhere to look after you. everyboty knowing this caos can bring and sent to farmleague itself...can make you suffer and want not to play hockey at good level. many there a example of players who not putting up any points at there and then slowly atletics of player like disseappearing and then after one two years player a forgotten. a never been, never did he make it. and then back to like KHL and hurt.

if kravtsov here a trusted and like wanted to put at top line sure he like others makin points and getting millions and millions but at this point there in this team for player like kravtsov can get really bad living at farmleague quarters and going up forward. i can understand him wanting to get elsewhere to build up own careers. they here seem to put it on other players. and it can be for verly long time and kravtsov can get downwards spiral and never going up from here.

im sure he having this bad feeling already before season. season coming . they put up big contracts on zibanjenad and kakko musselated, small first pick whats his name again? smiling and having candy from team headquarters and so forths....

and then he exploding finally? surprising? no. they could have him a place here a given but will there be icetimes for everyboty? i say kakko if mussel and fast. then he 1st line. built from there. also is there a money for everyboty?

and kakko. maybe they trying to make you defensive player here? not taking that bait please. remember only player with many points to scoreboards jumbotrone will make it really big money. and only player with many points also selling dresses of masses with familyname at back

sir avgard hockeyprofessor

I would pay serious money for ‘Avgard: The Collected Works’

 

[duhmetreE]

Since being drafted Kravtsov has catapulted to the #1 ranked prospect in hockey according to Button, had an incredible D+1 season; was the best player in camp in 2019 but got screwed out of a spot to accommodate Kakko; last season he led his KHL team in goals. At the end of the season he joined the Rangers and flashed more skill than Laf or Kakko ever had in the NHL; and was voted one of the 3 stars every single game.


what have Laf and Kakko done since being drafted? Put up historically bad numbers? Been slow and tired after every 20 seconds into their shifts? If Kravtsov has been mediocre they have been an absolute trainwreck. But oh well. I hope we get someone else who has finesse skill and is an elegant skater like Kravtsov. Our team is slow as molasses and we somehow managed to get a 1st & 2nd overall pick who’s biggest weakness is the most important skill in hockey, skating!

Laf D+1 season in the NHL during covid has similar production to Kravtsov d+3 season in KHL. Want
to compare their pedigree's pre-draft?

Kakko dug in and became a complete player. I don't know how much of it was all on him or the coaching staff not letting him play his game. He looks light years better than Kravtsov is his d+3 year. LIGHT YEARS!

Laf and Kakko have improved their weaknesses. Kravtsov weakness is adversity and throwing tantrums at the sight of it. This isn't elementary school. He's the oldest and most experienced of the bunch but is by far the most immature. It happened with Quinn. It happened when he went back home. It happened again with Gallant. Kravtsov is the problem, not everyone else.

How you're comparing them is mind numbing.

 

[jay from jersey]

To further this, Gallant said very clearly in the beginning, I'm not going to keep a prospect around to play on the 4th line. Kravy was never in competition with Hunt. He was in competition with Gauthier, Blais, Goodrow, etc. He didn't beat those guys in camp. He wasn't bad, he was pretty decent in his games. but he didn't beat those guys. There's nothing wrong with sending a young player down when they're on the bubble. Nothing. The only thing I could imagine they could have done is keep Kravy on the team until they find a trade partner. But honestly, what would they have been targetting? A 3C? A 4C? Would we have been ok with that? We weren't going for Eichel. We weren't going for a top 6 center once we committed to Zib. We don't have the money to do that and pay everyone next year. So, I really don't get what everyone is expecting of the FO in this case. They wanted to keep Kravy. They thought he might be okay with a short stint in the A considering he was getting over an injury. I don't think it was a crazy thing to think. I'm sure they approached him in a reasonable way about it and he pouted. it's not good. I agree. But I really can't blame Gallant and Drury for going with a lineup that gives them the best chance to win right now.

You’re right and that’s the thing most people forget. Kravtsov may be more talented, but that doesn’t always make the line more deadly.
Just overfilling a line with pure skill isn’t right. If you have a line missing the guy that’s going to do the dirty work on the forecheck/physical aspect of things, the line overall is worse. There has to be a balance. That’s basically what the entire offseason was about.
We knew there were going to be moved made, just for the simple fact that we don’t have enough roster spots for all our talented young players.
I hope everyone is watching this situation unfold, because I’ve been sounding the horn often that we’re going to see a very similar situation to this on the blue line next year.
It’s a very important year for chytil because Drury needs to know if he’s looking to trade for an upgrade at 2C, or if he’s looking to return more picks and prospects. We’re not really lacking anything long term in other areas. That’s why I won’t be surprised if kravtsov is dealt for a 2nd in the next 2 deep drafts.
It also makes me wish strome was gone by now so we can get a better evaluation of chytil this season.
It’s great that we’ve built this incredible stable of youth. That and the lotto wins have set us up incredibly for the future. And Fox too. But when the timeline of all these players of being ready is very similar, hard choices need to be made.
Drury is going to have to continue to keep stocking the system while we’re in our competing window. It’s hard to judge if you don’t really have an idea what you need as a team to trade for. That leaves you just wanting the highest possible draft picks you can get

 

[RGY]

I think both sides are to blame in this. But I think more of the blame falls on Kravtsov. Did he just think he was going to be handed a spot in the Top 9? He didn’t do much in preseason, he was hardly noticeable. And I know it is just preseason but there is certainly more room out there with a mix of Juniors/AHL players on the ice.

Other players showed up ready to compete and did. Blais and Gauthier to name a couple and that made a huge difference.

I think if he took his demotion like mature human being, worked hard down in Hartford, he wouldn’t have been there for long. Hunt eventually becomes a rotational 4th line player, Blais slides down, and Kravtsov is back in the Top 9. But instead he just demands a trade. Zac Jones played pretty well in short time last season and you don’t hear boo out of him. People brought up other examples like Chytil and Igor. They took their demotions and worked hard. Where is the work ethic? The self-awareness? This team has to be a team. Not a group of individuals. You’d have to be a pretty special elite player to get away with that crap.

 

[nyr2k2]

Since being drafted Kravtsov has catapulted to the #1 ranked prospect in hockey according to Button, had an incredible D+1 season; was the best player in camp in 2019 but got screwed out of a spot to accommodate Kakko; last season he led his KHL team in goals. At the end of the season he joined the Rangers and flashed more skill than Laf or Kakko ever had in the NHL; and was voted one of the 3 stars every single game.


what have Laf and Kakko done since being drafted? Put up historically bad numbers? Been slow and tired after every 20 seconds into their shifts? If Kravtsov has been mediocre they have been an absolute trainwreck. But oh well. I hope we get someone else who has finesse skill and is an elegant skater like Kravtsov. Our team is slow as molasses and we somehow managed to get a 1st & 2nd overall pick who’s biggest weakness is the most important skill in hockey, skating!

Are you going to relentlessly criticize everyone on the team in every thread now, because you think your guy got shafted? Please spare us. The GDTs are already intolerable with 500 Tuba, Kreider and Miler posts, we don't need to read the same stuff directed towards Kakko and Lafreniere.

 

[surlysailor]

I would love NYR to get Kupari for him, but does anyone think Anderson-Dolan might be a better target? He's an RFA like Krav, has 43 NHL games and was already assigned to the AHL w/o trade demand. Not sure how he compares to Kupari but remember liking him in his draft year.

 

[EdJovanovski]

I think both sides are to blame in this. But I think more of the blame falls on Kravtsov. Did he just think he was going to be handed a spot in the Top 9? He didn’t do much in preseason, he was hardly noticeable. And I know it is just preseason but there is certainly more room out there with a mix of Juniors/AHL players on the ice.

Other players showed up ready to compete and did. Blais and Gauthier to name a couple and that made a huge difference.

I think if he took his demotion like mature human being, worked hard down in Hartford, he wouldn’t have been there for long. Hunt eventually becomes a rotational 4th line player, Blais slides down, and Kravtsov is back in the Top 9. But instead he just demands a trade. Zac Jones played pretty well in short time last season and you don’t hear boo out of him. People brought up other examples like Chytil and Igor. They took their demotions and worked hard. Where is the work ethic? The self-awareness? This team has to be a team. Not a group of individuals. You’d have to be a pretty special elite player to get away with that crap.

Hardly noticeable? Because he was injured? He only played 2 games + 5 mins. His first game he got the most 1st star votes on the team and his other game he scored a goal, and certainly would’ve been voted one of the 3 stars had there been a poll.

He outscored Gauthier in fewer games, not that that’s a tall task since Gauthier couldn’t score if his life depended on it. Kravtsov absolutely should’ve made the team over several of them, including Barclay Goodrow who looked awful. But I guess you have to hand a spot to guys when you give them contracts that make you the laughing stock of the hockey world, forget a top 10 pick who’s one of the most productive U-21 players in KHL history.

 

[NYSPORTS]

You’re right and that’s the thing most people forget. Kravtsov may be more talented, but that doesn’t always make the line more deadly.
Just overfilling a line with pure skill isn’t right. If you have a line missing the guy that’s going to do the dirty work on the forecheck/physical aspect of things, the line overall is worse. There has to be a balance. That’s basically what the entire offseason was about.
We knew there were going to be moved made, just for the simple fact that we don’t have enough roster spots for all our talented young players.

Good luck getting a 2nd Round pick and the Rangers hitting on that pick.

Yes, there are not enough roster spots but this is ridiculous imo. I would think this circus would have the foresight to get more for Buch and Krav than a grinder and potentially a few second round picks when they need a Center.

I guess it works out if Chytil and Barron work out at center but gee, talk about a major letdown. Top 10 picks and Buch leave for little from a team which has yet to make the playoffs? It’s not like this team ended the season in the Top 4 or 6 in the playoffs year after year.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Are you going to relentlessly criticize everyone on the team in every thread now, because you think your guy got shafted? Please spare us. The GDTs are already intolerable with 500 Tuba, Kreider and Miler posts, we don't need to read the same stuff directed towards Kakko and Lafreniere.

I like Kakko & Lafreniere. I just think the idea that Kravtsov has played poorly since being drafted and that they have been lights out; is absurd.

 

[nyr2k2]

I like Kakko & Lafreniere. I just think the idea that Kravtsov has played poorly since being drafted and that they have been lights out; is absurd.

And that's all well and good. I just hope it doesn't bleed into every other thread on the board.

 

[ThirdEye]

Are you going to relentlessly criticize everyone on the team in every thread now, because you think your guy got shafted? Please spare us. The GDTs are already intolerable with 500 Tuba, Kreider and Miler posts, we don't need to read the same stuff directed towards Kakko and Lafreniere.

Those two got preferential treatment because they both have more character in their pinkies than Kravtsov does in his body. Both are constantly talking about improving on their weaknesses and actually working hard to get better. Kravtsov hasn't really taken any steps to round out his game or has really cared to since we drafted him.

Also, the fact is that top 3 picks will get more opportunity due to their pedigree.. that's just a fact of life when it comes to the NHL.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Laf D+1 season in the NHL during covid has similar production to Kravtsov d+3 season in KHL. Want
to compare their pedigree's pre-draft?

Kakko dug in and became a complete player. I don't know how much of it was all on him or the coaching staff not letting him play his game. He looks light years better than Kravtsov is his d+3 year. LIGHT YEARS!

Laf and Kakko have improved their weaknesses. Kravtsov weakness is adversity and throwing tantrums at the sight of it. This isn't elementary school. He's the oldest and most experienced of the bunch but is by far the most immature. It happened with Quinn. It happened when he went back home. It happened again with Gallant. Kravtsov is the problem, not everyone else.

How you're comparing them is mind numbing.

maybe the Rangers come draft day should call opposing teams and ask who they think they should draft.

 

[jay from jersey]

Good luck getting a 2nd Round pick and the Rangers hitting on that pick.

Yes, there are not enough roster spots but this is ridiculous imo. I would think this circus would have the foresight to get more for Buch and Krav than a grinder and potentially a few second round picks when they need a Center.

I guess it works out if Chytil and Barron work out at center but gee, talk about a major letdown. Top 10 picks and Buch leave for little from a team which has yet to make the playoffs? It’s not like this was ended in the Top 4 or 6 in the playoffs year after year.

but that’s what I’m saying about strome. By him staying here another full season, it’s blocks Chytil for another year of 2C evaluation.
As it sits now, this team doesn’t have a lot of holes. They have talent coming out of their ears. They’ve added much need Grit/skill combo thru UFA/trades/ Draft.
Now that there are more guys then spots, that are ready for NHL duty, what are you trading for??drury isn’t going to make a trade just for the sense of making a trade. It needs to make ya better now or in the future.
So beyond maybe a 2c ( not sure yet)
What are you trading for to make us better now or in the future besides draft picks??
If you trade for prospects that are nhl ready now, we’re going to face the same problem we’re having with Kravtsov
I would love to get a 1st back for him, but it’s not going to happen.... especially now

 

[EdJovanovski]

Those two got preferential treatment because they both have more character in their pinkies than Kravtsov does in his body. Both are constantly talking about improving on their weaknesses and actually working hard to get better. Kravtsov hasn't really taken any steps to round out his game or has really cared to since we drafted him.

Also, the fact is that top 3 picks will get more opportunity due to their pedigree.. that's just a fact of life when it comes to the NHL.

Lol Kravtsov said in an interview that his shot sucked last year and he had to work on it a lot, I saw more evidence of Kravtsov working hard all summer than the other two. Kakko was stuffing down cheeseburgers and Laf was getting drunk at parties lol. Kravtsov was in the gym at 6am every morning even when on vacation in the Dominican Republic.

Round his game? Like being the first man in on every forecheck and the first man back on every backcheck, always before the Center and most the time even before the D man? Lol

He has been screwed by this organization and hopefully it won’t come back to bite us in the butt.

 

[DialUp]

Kakko was stuffing down cheeseburgers

Whoa slow down. KK was on a controlled dirty bulk, and probably only a week out after a serious cut. Dude is going to be well oiled and ready to roll.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Whoa slow down. KK was on a controlled dirty bulk, and probably only a week out after a serious cut. Dude is going to be well oiled and ready to roll.

LOL I’m saying that in jest, he does somehow look way faster now. The fat gives him superpowers. We do need more fast skaters though, even with his increased speed he is not a great skater. Kravtsov was the best skater on our team by a landslide (like all around technical skating, Chytil Kreider & Gauthier are fast but not great skaters)

 

[CLW]

The Primadonna failed the basic test. Kravy is talented, but... his work ethic and drive do not match his talent. Good riddance, and no I don't put this in the "bad asset management" file. Kravtsov could easily have made this his break through season by buckling down, dominating in the AHL and forcing the Rangers hand - instead he threw his toys out of the pram and demanded a trade. I'm positive this did not come as a shock to the Rangers.

I'm sure every other GM in the league is well aware of Kravtsov's attitude issues which simply makes his trade value less than his talent level would suggest. Strome is a good player but his age, some issues in his overall game and soon to be UFA status makes him less valuable than the overall talent package suggests. Sometimes there is not much management can do.

 

[jay from jersey]

Since being drafted Kravtsov has catapulted to the #1 ranked prospect in hockey according to Button, had an incredible D+1 season; was the best player in camp in 2019 but got screwed out of a spot to accommodate Kakko; last season he led his KHL team in goals. At the end of the season he joined the Rangers and flashed more skill than Laf or Kakko ever had in the NHL; and was voted one of the 3 stars every single game.


what have Laf and Kakko done since being drafted? Put up historically bad numbers? Been slow and tired after every 20 seconds into their shifts? If Kravtsov has been mediocre they have been an absolute trainwreck. But oh well. I hope we get someone else who has finesse skill and is an elegant skater like Kravtsov. Our team is slow as molasses and we somehow managed to get a 1st & 2nd overall pick who’s biggest weakness is the most important skill in hockey, skating!

kravtsov doesn’t have the draft pedigree or talent ceiling of LaF or Kakko. If he did, he’d be on 1 of the 1st 2 lines. Not that I think he’s going to be a bad NHL player per say, but to say he’s on their level is silly, disingenuous, homerism.
Kakko has looked much better then Krav this preseason camp.
While he didn’t light it up the last 2 seasons, they have had a tremendous impact on his overall development.
LaF really looked to get it by the end of last season.
There is not a scout/coach/GM/fan in the league ( perhaps you course )
That would put kravtsov and his development in front of LaF or Kakkos. They are both more important to the future of the franchise. They also didn’t run home when things didn’t go their way.

 

[Rangerboy030]

I'm reminded of a Herb Brooks quote from Miracle through this debacle, paraphrasing.

"You think you can make it to the NHL on talent alone? You don't have enough talent to make it on talent alone".

 

[CLW]

I like Kakko & Lafreniere. I just think the idea that Kravtsov has played poorly since being drafted and that they have been lights out; is absurd.

Kravtsov is talented, but he has to accept that life does not always roll out the red carpet for him. So management are shuffling players around to create a team, and he gets (temporarily) squeezed out - big flippin deal. Deal with it and create your own space on the roster DON'T throw a temper tantrum and put in a trade request at the first little bump in the road.

 

[Inferno]

Spare me the entitlement. The younger generations are saddled with the trash that the older generations have heaped upon them. My parents and grandparents were able to go to school for pennies on the dollar. Those people who started working at Goldman in the 80's sat pretty for the world they grew up in.

Now, you go to Harvard and you leave with hundreds of thousands in debt and you're expected to work to the bone for 80K just so you can pay off loans.

The average person who goes to Harvard pays 15k per year.

The less you make the cheaper it is...if you make under 50k as a family it costs 2k a year to go to Harvard.

Even at 15k that 60k in debt. Average starting salary is about 70k.

Only reason I felt compelled to do this is because my wife and I were looking at colleges and trying to figure out roughly what we need to save to send the girls when they grow up.

College is expensive but still very much worth it.

Also..if you spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to major in a stupid f***ing major like... philosophy. That's your own damn fault. Go to a community college for that degree.

 

[NYSPORTS]

but that’s what I’m saying about strome. By him staying here another full season, it’s blocks Chytil for another year of 2C evaluation.
As it sits now, this team doesn’t have a lot of holes. They have talent coming out of their ears. They’ve added much need Grit/skill combo thru UFA/trades/ Draft.
Now that there are more guys then spots, that are ready for NHL duty, what are you trading for??drury isn’t going to make a trade just for the sense of making a trade. It needs to make ya better now or in the future.
So beyond maybe a 2c ( not sure yet)
What are you trading for to make us better now or in the future besides draft picks??
If you trade for prospects that are nhl ready now, we’re going to face the same problem we’re having with Kravtsov
I would love to get a 1st back for him, but it’s not going to happen.... especially now

Strome is a road block. Honestly, so is Kreider. They’ve taken a rebuild loaded with draft picks yet resigned veterans or won’t move veterans out.

Look at this, Mika, Panarin, Strome, Kreider. That four of your top six. Imo, should be just Mika and Panarin then fill in the kids. Nope, let’s demote kids who were part of a rebuild and keep the veterans. None of which are apparently Captain material. Com’on

 

[BLOCKERSAVE]

I don’t get it, you are so close another month or 2 in the A , will get you to the big show, why this? thousands of prospect will die for his chance, so entitled.