Confirmed with Link: Kravtsov requests trade
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Well its part of it.
Heres what I bet happened/what I've been able to piece together.
Drury wasn't on board with taking him in 2018. I'd bet everything that based off of what he saw/feedback received, he was a Farabee guy.
Bobrov's Russian Bias won out.
Kravtsov came over, had an okay camp but not good enough, went down to Hartford, sulked and then bolted for the K.
Drury, who already wasn't on board with this pick, ripped him to shreds in front of his teammates for quitting on them. Pro Kravtsov people will place blame on Drury here, Anti Kravtsov people will say that he should have sucked it up. Truth is, Drury probably should have kept his mouth shut but at the end of the day, Krav made his own bed here.
After a mediocre KHL campaign, Krav comes back and plays in the AHL. Covid happens. He travels to the bubble. Misses the team bus once, Strike 2.
Craziness ensues in the 2021 season. After a much better KHL season, Krav travels to NA and plays 20 games with the Rangers and looks pretty decent. Krav, Drury and co. chat at the end of the season, Krav, who already holds a grudge against Drury, doesn't like what he hears during his exit interview. Boborov is canned, Buch is traded, Krav figures hes next, but continues to prep for the next season (I assume completely ignoring what Drury and Co. asked him to work on, but I don't know this for sure.)
Camp happens, he gets hurt. Rangers want to send him down to get into game shape, he declines. Strike 3 and here we are.
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I know most don't want to hear this but this is the issue with drafting Russians in general, most are reluctant to do time in the minors and earn their way to the NHL. Kravtsov by mid season the latest and more likely with how everything played out after two weeks would have had a place on a line with Zibanejad and Kreider if he kept his mouth shut went to Hartford and just played hockey.
Kreider - Zibanejad - Kravtsov
Panarin - Strome - Kappo
Lafreniere - Chytil - Blais
Goodrow - Rooney - Reaves
Hunt - - Gauthier
I place 100% of the blame squarely on Kravtsov here he is soft, charmin soft! I can not wait for the door to hit him in the ass on the way out of town.
Kreider - Zibanejad - Kravtsov
Panarin - Strome - Kappo
Lafreniere - Chytil - Blais
Goodrow - Rooney - Reaves
Hunt - - Gauthier
I place 100% of the blame squarely on Kravtsov here he is soft, charmin soft! I can not wait for the door to hit him in the ass on the way out of town.
32 Thoughts Podcast. Elliotte Friedman and Jeff Marek discussed the Vitali Kravstov situation. What you are VS what you could be. Elliotte brought up Pool party. Someone mentioned the player to him when they were talking about Kravstov. Edmonton didn’t get what they thought was value. They refused to trade him. The player went back to Edmonton and he has become a good player for them.
The most important job that a college coach has nowadays is to re-recruit your own players on a daily basis. It's a mess. Having said that, guys and gals enter the portal all the time and wind up pulling out. Not over til its over.
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Honestly, at this point Kravstov waking up and coming back would possibly block Blais from playing higher up in the lineup.
And that would not be good for the team, as of today
And that would not be good for the team, as of today
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It’s very much an ego thing with some Russians. It’s tough telling someone who has been playing in a top pro league since he was 17 that he has to go play in the b league.
still not acceptable on his part, shows a lot about his personality. But I can see why
pld459666
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He would have to be better than Blais to bump him
That's part of the problem that Kravtsov is not grasping.
You are NOT going to be handed ANYTHING
Earn it.
For the NYR's that's a good problem to have if he does.
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Let’s say he does come back. Let’s say they put him on line 1 with Kreider and Zib.
he plays 7 game doesn’t produce gets moved down to third line….
does he just up and leave cause he got demoted? History says yes
EdJovanovski
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He played 20 games (minus like 2 or 3?) on the 4th line and didn’t leave
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Gr8CornHolio
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Very true this is an example of him committing though be it for 20 games. But let’s forget the Hartford situation a few years ago and the situation this year.
let’s not forget when he left Hartford and went back to Traktor he then got demoted to the VHL.
I do believe it was Gorton then saying we will bring him back but history is not on his side.
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Carp continuing to tease stories that he has no plans of ever elaborating on. What ever happened with the Lemieux trade request BS he brought up once then never mentioned again?
EdJovanovski
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He didn’t get demoted, he played some games there during a KHL break.
From what’s being reported it seems he has a brutal time in Hartford and it’s just Hartford specifically that he doesn’t want to play in. I think he was really surprised and upset that he didn’t make the team, he had no problem skipping his sisters wedding to fly to be an extra in the bubble even though he knew he probably wouldn’t play. I think he’d be happy playing in the NHL in any capacity, it seems like a Hartford problem
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Honestly, I don’t know what to believe on the Lemmy front. On one hand, Carp is known to tell Sea Stories, so it wouldn’t surprise me at all if he’s just saying that. But on the other, ADA was his bestie. He had to think he got a kind of a raw deal since it was Georgi who threw the 1st punch.
My main cause for questioning was lemmys overall play. He was far more physical/engaged and frankly just better the the year we got him from the jets then last. It honestly did look like he kind of didn’t want to be here. I don’t know if that’s a Quinn thing, or I don’t want to be in NY thing, but I can’t completely write carp off on this one.
And believe me, I’d love to. Shitting on carp and uncle Larry when they come on and cherry pick convos for their news stories would give me much pleasure.
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I dont doubt there was more to the Lemiuex story but it seems to me like Carp sensationalizing something that at the end of the day amounts to a fringe NHLer demanding a trade so he can get more ice time. Rick has also made it very clear that hes not a fan of the new front office
The excuses some people make for this guy. 
That would lend more credence if the first time he chose to go down to Hartford in the first place, instead of leaving for Russia the first time. He thought he was too good for the bus riding AHL then, still does now.
And 100% he was demoted ..... it just so happened they did it on the break and sent him to Siberia.
There was no guarantee traktor was even going to call him back up. Gorts and JD had to get him back to Hartford so he wouldn’t have a lost year of development against sub par competition.
That’s when he finally relented and came back. His trade value also took a hit from that escapade and hasn’t fully recovered.
I know you love the player, but that’s exactly the events that took place.
I don’t think he looked bad in the preseason either. Not better/ more important then Blais, but not bad.
He really didn’t look any different from his 20 game stint the year prior. That’s prob what held him back for the most part.
No doubt him and his agent are doing some damage control now, saying he’ll play in the AHL somewhere else. Of course, they have to say that now.
You watch, when krav gets traded eventually, if he has to spend more then 1/2 season in the AHL, he’ll be on the first flight back to russia
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Carp has spent the better part of the last decade over-promising stories and under-delivering
You are making this way more complicated than it needs to be.
Basically, what you are suggesting in terms of "development" is purely semantic. You admit that guys develop certain things, like situational awareness and "moderately" improve technicals etc..
THAT is development. I don't know why anyone would have to specifically define "development" and what is allowed to be called "development" unless you are doing so simply to make the reality align with your argument, using semantic manipulation. But more to the point, what you are stating in that semantic "nuance" does not mesh with reality AT ALL. You are attempting to make the definition of "development" fit your specific argument and your specific opinion, rather than using the word for its actual definition. And even with all those attempts at twisting the semantics, your argument still falls wildly short of reality.
"that being that there are limits to how much anyone can improve at the nhl level. you are what you are when you arrive for the most part."
What does "for the most part" mean? The only reason to stick this on the end of that sentence is because you know what you are saying isn't true and that there are many players/examples who's reality completely contradicts what you suggested prior. So tacking that on to the end of the sentence only leaves you room to wiggle out of the semantic rambling when reality contradicts what you have argued.
"you are what you are when you arrive". So let's remove the "for the most part". And then we can clearly determine this statement is completely untrue.
Chytil is not what he was when he first arrived. Puljujarvi is not what he was when he first arrived. JT Miller is not what he was when he first arrived. Lafrenier is not what he was when he first arrived. Kakko is not what he was when he first arrived. Zach Hymen is not what he was when he first arrived. Cale Makar is not what he was when he first arrived. Joel Farabee is not what he was when he first arrived. Bo Horvat is not what he was when he first arrived. The list goes on for DAYS. Because players develop and continue to develop throughout their career, whether they do so at the AHL level or NHL level. Joe Pavelski is a great example of a player who developed a great deal from the day he first arrived.
Unfortunately KeAndre Miller is what he was when he first arrived. Unfortunately B. Hayton is what he was when he first arrived. So it doesn't work out for everyone.
Now let's get back to the point. Kravtsov. Are you suggesting that the Rangers or anyone else in the hockey world for that matter, doesn't think Kravtsov has the skills and the ceiling to develop into a top 6 NHL player? Are you suggesting the Rangers sent him down because they think he needs to work on things like shooting, passing and skating? Because if that is the case, then you are completely off the mark. Again, not even the Rangers are suggesting this.
And this: "but no player at that level is going to increase their hockey iq - and that is ultimately the limiting factor on anyone." is again completely untrue. There is absolutely zero evidence that supports this. In fact, I would argue that "hockey iq" is one of the main things most players improve on as they mature, whether that be in the AHL or NHL.
THIS is the only accurate thing you have stated and the only thing you have actually proved with your arguments : "and so in my eyes the only impact an nhl team has on the player a given prospect becomes is marginal."
Yes, you are right. In YOUR eyes. Which completely contradicts the objective evidence, the opinion of NHL teams based on their actions, the opinion of scouts based on things they report and the opinion of any coach or player on any level I have ever spoken to. What you are stating is a completely heterodox opinion. I don't know anyone in hockey or that watches hockey that would agree with you. Clearly there are a few that do. But I would argue this is the same group that thinks the Rangers are completely blameless in this Kravtsov debacle and probably the same group who thinks the Rangers have been an A+ organization over the last 8 years, from top down. The type that would defend the organization against any criticism whether it were true or not. And certainly the type that, even though they don't actually know what occurred, even though they do not know all the facts, are ready to accuse Kravtsov of being a "lost cause" or "mentally unstable". The variety of person that believes people can't and don't grow and mature. The type who would throw the baby out with the bath water because the baby doesn't fit their IDEAL. And if that is the group who agree with you, which is what it seems like to me, then you certainly are in RARE and bewildering company.
But we need to be clear here, your opinion is the minority opinion and goes against all objective evidence. Both about Kravtsov and about player development and hockey in general. And I don't know if you ever played any sport at a semi-high level, like highschool or college. But if you have, you would know and understand that development does not work as you suggest. It is not linear and most players are not a finished product at 17, 18, 19, 20, 21 and beyond. In fact, there is ALWAYS something players can improve at. If things were as you suggest they are, then people in highschool and college would just give up when they fail. You wouldn't have 30 year olds suddenly turning into all star players in the mlb, seemingly out of no where, WHICH happens often enough. You wouldn't have guys like Joe Pavelksi who don't really break out until they are over 25.
It's very simple, if that were the case then teams would not give inexperienced players who still have "a lot of room to grow" a roster spot on NHL teams. Which they do ALL the time. Which they Rangers have done in the past year.
Do you think Lundkvist is a finished product? Laf? Kakko? Miller? Miller is SO far from what he could DEVELOP into, yet they are blooding him in the NHL. Why would they do such a thing if they didn't help "develop" players? Why would they let Chytil grow on the team for multiple seasons if they thought he couldn't DEVELOP with the Rangers? Why did they bring in Lundkvist, who clearly needs to develop more?
It's very simple. Because everything you have argued about DEVELOPMENT is completely a fringe opinion. A fringe opinion that I have never heard anyone within the hockey world concur with and a fringe opinion that I think most hockey fans and hockey players at other levels would explicitly disagree with you on.
So you believe what you want to believe. You have every right to that opinion. But let's not even attempt to justify that opinion with objective reality because you can't. No one could. No argument that good exists, because that OPINION completely flies in the face of reality.
And as far as the Rangers go, no matter how many times you mention Pionk, the amount of players the Rangers have successfully developed for themselves or have successfully developed who then moved on to other teams is under 10 total. And you can try as hard as you want to twist reality to fit your initial statement that "the NHL doesn't develop players", so therefore you can attempt to defend the Rangers horrific record of development over the last 8 years or so. But it doesn't hold water. It's as leaky as an old, rusty sieve.
I don't know how much more clear I can be.
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Drury and crew asked Kravstov to work on his strength and conditioning in his exist interview at the end of last season. Kravstov is on record saying he hardly skated. He gets hurt during preseason, which likely was another indicator to Drury and crew that he should have listened. When you get hurt in preseason after not putting in the work asked of you in the offseason it looks pretty bad.
They tell Kravstov that they want to send him down to take some practice and build back up before coming back to the team. Kravstov wastes no time doing a heel turn and has since bolted back to Russia. Gallant reached out to Kravstov on behalf of the team to try to get him back. Kravstov fired his agent and is in damage control.
You also left out Kravstov having issues being sent down in the KHL. As well as his affluent background that no doubt acts as his windfall here.
EdJovanovski
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He was never sent down in the KHL, there was a break in the schedule so they got him more games in and he came right back up.
Also he meant he didn’t play in any games during the season like some players do tournaments. You can find countless pics and video of him on the ice all summer and in the gym.
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