Post-Game Talk: Krak

[Chaels Arms]

There is nothing wrong with playing your best forwards more minutes especially with the PP time they get.

Best players by what measure? Because they compile lots of points with the man advantage?

None of Panarin, Kreider or Zibanejad are good at even strength. This has been the case before this season.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

This is true. It's just hard to carry the play for 60 minutes, especially against good teams. They still need to start putting some wins together.

Today was frustrating because they got both outplayed and lost against an up and coming but ultimately mediocre team. But if we outshot them 50-15 and lost people would still say the same shit.

 

[gravey9]

I don't know what the stats are now but we've been a good team 5 on 5 all season with a shitty shooting percentage and goaltending. The idea that we don't get chances 5 on 5 is bullshit. They're not converting. This game was a bad one but the idea that the team gets outplayed 5 on 5 every game is patently false. I can count the amount of times that actually happened all year on one hand.

We aren't getting many grade A opportunities in front of the net. Rare greasy goal. Rare rebound goal. Compare that to how many tips, deflection, rebounds, how often the other team has the puck on their stick within 10 feet of our net. Or having their sticks free enough for tips, deflections and rebounds. Compare that to how many tips, deflections, rebounds and chaos we're generating throughout the game. The underlying are horseshit if you're being outmuscled consistently in the paint on both sides of the ice. You have to win the battle inside the hashmarks. We're not doing winning that battle. Do we have decent possession in the O zone, sure. But it's almost exclusively to the outside. how many deflections are we getting? How many screenshots are getting through or creating dangerous rebounds that we managed to get second chances on? The consistent effort to win those battles isn't there. I don't know what else to say here. We are allergic to greasy, hardworking goals most games.

I think Gallant is full of sh*t at this point in his post game talks or he is not properly assessing what he sees. When a team is having so much trouble being consistent, you have to get back to basics. You have chip pucks deep. you have to crash the net. you have to hit. You have to take away the center of the ice in your own zone. You have stay on the right side of the puck and build from the ground up. But we don't really do that. We try to create our way out of it. We skate circles in the O zone but rarely get inside. We have players losing all those battle in the paint because they don't actually know when the puck is going to arrive there.

We need to play a more honest game. We need consistency and simplicity. We may not score 5 goals a game, but we could, oh I don't know, lockdown the front of our own net and build by winning some 2-1 games for a bit.

 

[Whoot Whoot]

Some puck luck issues
But same problem as always when we lose
No secondary scoring

 

[mrmovies779]

The kids are never going to get the pp time and minutes as long as Kreider and Panarin are here.That's just how it is.

 

[Brutananadilewski]

The 60 minute effort cliche is just that. They're in the NHL every team pushes back. Now the last two games they had at least one really bad period. But overall our underlying numbers are good. Much better than last year.

It's more than just push back: offense disappering and only mustering a handful of SOG, dumb penalties, defense allowing offensive zone entry with ease, passing becomes a joke, especially from our defense.

It's almost a given that if we outplay and outshoot the opposition by a wide margin in the 1st, we are coming away with an L.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

We aren't getting many grade A opportunities in front of the net. Rare greasy goal. Rare rebound goal. Compare that to how many tips, deflection, rebounds, how often the other team has the puck on their stick within 10 feet of our net. Or having their sticks free enough for tips, deflections and rebounds. Compare that to how many tips, deflections, rebounds and chaos we're generating throughout the game. The underlying are horseshit if you're being outmuscled consistently in the paint on both sides of the ice. You have to win the battle inside the hashmarks. We're not doing winning that battle. Do we have decent possession in the O zone, sure. But it's almost exclusively to the outside. how many deflections are we getting? How many screenshots are getting through or creating dangerous rebounds that we managed to get second chances on? The consistent effort to win those battles isn't there. I don't know what else to say here. We are allergic to greasy, hardworking goals most games.

I think Gallant is full of sh*t at this point in his post game talks or he is not properly assessing what he sees. When a team is having so much trouble being consistent, you have to get back to basics. You have chip pucks deep. you have to crash the net. you have to hit. You have to take away the center of the ice in your own zone. You have stay on the right side of the puck and build from the ground up. But we don't really do that. We try to create our way out of it. We skate circles in the O zone but rarely get inside. We have players losing all those battle in the paint because they don't actually know when the puck is going to arrive there.

We need to play a more honest game. We need consistency and simplicity. We may not score 5 goals a game, but we could, oh I don't know, lockdown the front of our own net and build by winning some 2-1 games for a bit.

I don't know if it's the case anymore but every HDCF% and GF% stat that looks at WHERE players are shooting from was top 10 for us. They might have gotten worse but most of the season this wasn't true and I'd venture to guess still isn't. That said this game sucked. We were good in the first and then the wheels fell off.

 

[mike14]

Some of you guys on this board need to be bitch slapped

Sure let’s call out laf for being a bust when kreider floats around the ice and get 5 MINUTES of PP time

@Chaels Arms said it best. Our usage is f***ing pathetic

Everyone on here up in arms that beniers is a stud, omg he’d look so good for the rangers. He would be getting 13 minutes a night. Playing ZERO powerplay. So we’d be right where we are now

Fun fact laf sets up Kakko for the breakaway. If Kakko finishes all you idiots are out here saying what a beautiful set up

I really have to read posts saying trade laf or I just don’t see him being good. But yet panarin skates for being horrible, kreider gets away with doing absolutely nothing

Being successful in the nhl is all about opportunity. The rangers are consistently not giving the opportunities to the right players. Play laf for 18 minutes a night. Okay Kakko for 18 minutes.

Your not necessarily wrong but Laf has been given the ice time for the most part this season and isn't doing much with it. Until the lastv4 games he hadn't played under 15 mins all year, he recently went a string of 5 games straight with 17+ mins where he managed 1 goal.

Yes some opportunities for points have gone begging, and extra PP time may help (although PP2 looks pretty bad most of the time), but the ice time has been there to contribute more.

I'm actually pretty sure that the 1 goal mentioned above is the only point he has this season in a game where he's played over 17 mins

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Best players by what measure? Because they compile lots of points with the man advantage?

None of Panarin, Kreider or Zibanejad are good at even strength. This has been the case before this season.

They are still your best forwards regardless of the PP. Who would you rather them play besides the kids? You think rolling out Vesey, Gauthier, Blais, and Goodrow are going to help the team score more goals?

 

[Brutananadilewski]

They are still your best forwards regardless of the PP. Who would you rather them play besides the kids? You think rolling out Vesey, Gauthier, Blais, and Goodrow are going to help the team score more goals?

I'd definitelty split Panarin and Zib on the PP.

We got one today, but it's a given that Zib is going to go for the one-timer ESPECIALLY when Kreider has his head up his own ass this season.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Today was frustrating because they got both outplayed and lost against an up and coming but ultimately mediocre team. But if we outshot them 50-15 and lost people would still say the same shit.

I'm not even sure we got outplayed by that much but I'm not sure what the analytics looked like tonight. 2 of Seattle's goals were defected in off of Rangers. I thought the only bad period was the 2nd.

 

[gravey9]

I don't know if it's the case anymore but every HDCF% and GF% stat that looks at WHERE players are shooting from was top 10 for us. They might have gotten worse but most of the season this wasn't true and I'd venture to guess still isn't. That said this game sucked. We were good in the first and then the wheels fell off.

are those stats including PP? Because, yes, we are getting shots from dangerous places on the PP. But shot location at 5v5, and high danger chances 5v5 certainly seemed to favor the Kraken and not by a small margin. We play far too loose to generate as little 5v5 high danger opps as we seem to.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

I'd definitelty split Panarin and Zib on the PP.

We got one today, but it's a given that Zib is going to go for the one-timer ESPECIALLY when Kreider has his head up his own ass this season.

We got 2 PP goals today and it's the strength of this team. You absolutely need both of your most gifted offensive players on the PP.

 

[Brutananadilewski]

We got 2 PP goals today and it's the strength of this team. You absolutely need both of your most gifted offensive players on the PP.

We cashed in this game.

How many games this season has it failed us because teams are prepared for the one-timer?

And forget PP ice time for our 2nd unit, unless you want to count the 20-30 seconds that they may or may not get.

That also explains why Zibs and Panarin aren't generating much when the game is coming down to the wire because Gallant is overly relying on them.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

We aren't getting many grade A opportunities in front of the net. Rare greasy goal. Rare rebound goal. Compare that to how many tips, deflection, rebounds, how often the other team has the puck on their stick within 10 feet of our net. Or having their sticks free enough for tips, deflections and rebounds. Compare that to how many tips, deflections, rebounds and chaos we're generating throughout the game. The underlying are horseshit if you're being outmuscled consistently in the paint on both sides of the ice. You have to win the battle inside the hashmarks. We're not doing winning that battle. Do we have decent possession in the O zone, sure. But it's almost exclusively to the outside. how many deflections are we getting? How many screenshots are getting through or creating dangerous rebounds that we managed to get second chances on? The consistent effort to win those battles isn't there. I don't know what else to say here. We are allergic to greasy, hardworking goals most games.

I think Gallant is full of sh*t at this point in his post game talks or he is not properly assessing what he sees. When a team is having so much trouble being consistent, you have to get back to basics. You have chip pucks deep. you have to crash the net. you have to hit. You have to take away the center of the ice in your own zone. You have stay on the right side of the puck and build from the ground up. But we don't really do that. We try to create our way out of it. We skate circles in the O zone but rarely get inside. We have players losing all those battle in the paint because they don't actually know when the puck is going to arrive there.

We need to play a more honest game. We need consistency and simplicity. We may not score 5 goals a game, but we could, oh I don't know, lockdown the front of our own net and build by winning some 2-1 games for a bit.

I do agree with this and as much as some don't want to hear this I think Trotz would be able to instill that simplicity and structure. I think we would see an immediate impact with our D zone play. 5 on 5 scoring wouldn't get any worse either.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

We cashed in this game.

How many games this season has it failed us because teams are prepared for the one-timer?

And forget PP ice time for our 2nd unit, unless you want to count the 20-30 seconds that they may or may not get.

That also explains why Zibs and Panarin aren't generating much when the game is coming down to the wire because Gallant is overly relying on them.

The PP is still top 10 in the league after finishing 3rd last year. There are going to be games that they don't score. They may have to change things up to not be so predictable but it is still the strength of this team and the most dynamic offensive players need to be on it. The PP is the least of this teams problems.

 

[CLW]

We aren't getting many grade A opportunities in front of the net. Rare greasy goal. Rare rebound goal. Compare that to how many tips, deflection, rebounds, how often the other team has the puck on their stick within 10 feet of our net. Or having their sticks free enough for tips, deflections and rebounds. Compare that to how many tips, deflections, rebounds and chaos we're generating throughout the game. The underlying are horseshit if you're being outmuscled consistently in the paint on both sides of the ice. You have to win the battle inside the hashmarks. We're not doing winning that battle. Do we have decent possession in the O zone, sure. But it's almost exclusively to the outside. how many deflections are we getting? How many screenshots are getting through or creating dangerous rebounds that we managed to get second chances on? The consistent effort to win those battles isn't there. I don't know what else to say here. We are allergic to greasy, hardworking goals most games.

I think Gallant is full of sh*t at this point in his post game talks or he is not properly assessing what he sees. When a team is having so much trouble being consistent, you have to get back to basics. You have chip pucks deep. you have to crash the net. you have to hit. You have to take away the center of the ice in your own zone. You have stay on the right side of the puck and build from the ground up. But we don't really do that. We try to create our way out of it. We skate circles in the O zone but rarely get inside. We have players losing all those battle in the paint because they don't actually know when the puck is going to arrive there.

We need to play a more honest game. We need consistency and simplicity. We may not score 5 goals a game, but we could, oh I don't know, lockdown the front of our own net and build by winning some 2-1 games for a bit.

Gallant is full of sh*t.

All zones are a mess. The Rangers barely get through the neutral zone, while it's wide open for our opposition going the other way. The D zone is a trainwreck where Igor has to stand on his head, which he enjoys greatly no doubt but that's not good hockey. Transition is practically non-existent. The O zone is a mess as you say, no creative puck movement, hardly any shots for tips/deflections from the D, nothing to wrong foot the opposing team unless it's Fox stepping up.

The players are confused where to be and when, they collide often, they don't look like they are enjoying themselves much (maybe some like Vesey and Goodrow who always play the same game do), they play so slow and plodding when a lot of them need speed under their skates to get their game going etc. We skate slow and we move the puck slow in a predictable pattern, that's not a recipe for scoring a lot of goals. When we do get "high danger" shots they are against a square goalie who is tracking the puck, so those stats are partly illusory.

All of these problems, and there are many, many more, point directly to Gallant, the coaching staff and management.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

I understand Kakko and Laf not getting pp1 time.

But Goodrow and Vesey taking the second shift in OT on an offensive zone start?

Really?

REALLY?

no one noticed but Gallant sat Kakko for about 10 min in the second. He had Blais double shift. It was right before Kakko got on for the breakaway set up by Laf

Blais has a LONG way to go with his skating. He still looks really weak on the one leg.

Every team we watch has young players who are dynamic and are trusted to grow. I just don’t get it here. Might as well trade them for better defense

 

[QJL]

He, Miller and Panarin were on for the GWG
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Then he was just getting on the ice for Zibanejad when they scored. Panarin and Zib started that shift.

Yup, checked, 10 second shift following a loss of possession. I guess you’re right?

 

[SML2]

KAM is going to be alot less fun when his ELC runs out and he's getting paid top dollar.

 

[Kords]

The Trouba/Vesey/Goodrow shift in OT deserves the Benny Hill music, it became hilarious as soon as the ref dropped the puck.

Waking up and reading that this is a thing that actually happened has me in disbelief.

 

[mas0764]

One thing is clear. The Rangers have mismanaged their rebuild by once again not committing to their young players. Sure, they haven’t traded them all away (yet) but they overcommitted to expensive veterans in terms of contracts and assigned role to the detriment of the development of first, second, and ninth overall picks.

Not sure what’s left to hope for. That they become solid middle six contributors? Lafreniere isn’t even that right now. Kakko is on the basis of his metrics but if he can’t score more than 0.25 ppg he is not worth anything to us either.

Are we gonna fire the coach again and hope the NEXT guy can unlock the kids? That’s what should have f***ing been done with Quinn.

You might as well break it up and head back into the lottery. Trouba and Kreider both need to be gone at the earliest possible second.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Is Shesterkin the worst OT goalie of all time? I've never seen someone lose this many games in OT.

Also how are Vesey and Goodrow playing in f***ing OT?

Maybe he's really good at carrying bad teams to overtime in games they normally lose in regulation

 

[JHS]

This thread is funny. “Fire the coach”. “The young guys were invisible”. “The young guys should be out there in overtime.” “Why is Vesey playing in overtime?” “Vesey was our best player.”

Come on guys- if you can’t see how these posts reveal just how terribly the roster was constructed that’s on you— besides the obvious examples the team displays on the ice each night.

This is not the coaches fault. This roster is a train wreck.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Guys, the next coach is gonna be the same guy.

The problem isn't the coach. This whole organisation is rotten to its core.

This team has not gotten expected value out of a top 10 pick since Brian Leetch.