Post-Game Talk: Krak

[GENESISPuck94]

Kids got 12 mins in a game that went to OT and people are shitting on them

Fire Gallant before its too late.

 

[GENESISPuck94]

Best players by what measure? Because they compile lots of points with the man advantage?

None of Panarin, Kreider or Zibanejad are good at even strength. This has been the case before this season.

Agree.

Kreids, Zibs, and Panarin are lazy as shit and terrible leaders. That's why they were passed over for the 'C'.

 

[GENESISPuck94]

The problem isn't the coach. This whole organisation is rotten to its core.

This team has not gotten expected value out of a top 10 pick since Brian Leetch.

The coach is part of that. The coach is the one actively handling their usage and development on the NHL roster. Gallant is hands off, lets the vets do whatever they want with no accountability. He runs a country club. He's loyal to his 'guys' at the expense of what's better for the franchise. And what's worse is "i wont let it ruin my weekend" Drury, one of the most monotone milquetoast people in human history, is at the helm of the organization, nearly every decision he's made has been the wrong one, and he sits around watching the 1 and 2 OA picks being used like scrub 5th round picks.

 

[The S5]

Kreider-Zibanejad-Kakko
Panarin-Trocheck-Kravtsov
Vesey-Chytil-Gauthier
Lafreniere-Goodrow-Blais

Yes. Laf on the fourth line. He should be happy he's not scratched.

Flip Trocheck and Chytil.

 

[GENESISPuck94]

Devils handled their top picks like top picks, developed them like top picks, and now they're blossoming and running rampage on the league.

Rangers handled their top picks like 5th-7th round picks, developed them like 5th-7th round picks, and now they're struggling.

What a complete f***ing shocker.

 

[GENESISPuck94]

Let's take our 1 and 2 overall picks, completely deny them PP1 and PK time, lets bench them and punish them for every little mistake, lets keep them on the 3rd line most of the time, lets have them sit on the bench for extended periods of time so they can't get into a rhythm... but lets also wonder why they're not developing more rapidly.

Hey lets take a 50 point scoring 29 year old, throw a dump truck load of cash at his doorstep, give him 23 minutes of ice time including near full 2 minute PP shifts like he's Connor McDavid, and then wonder why the team looks like shit.

Keep doing it, it's going to end up so great. Hey, when the Devils lift the Stanley Cup again before the Rangers, don't really try to wonder why. They get how to develop players, Rangers don't.

Said it a million times I'll say it again. This team isn't winning a Cup without Lafreniere and Kakko leading the way.

 

[The S5]

I have been saying that Trouba was $3M overpaid. He's playing like he's $5M overpaid.
I don't know whats wrong with Tro, but he can't shoot it into the ocean from the beach.
Laffy has never really shown any elite talent. Not too sure why its taken this long to see it. He can still become a useful player, but we need to temper our expectations.
Gallant has his favorites, but he needs to sit some guys down when the effort isn't where it needs to be.

 

[JHS]

I'd definitelty split Panarin and Zib on the PP.

We got one today, but it's a given that Zib is going to go for the one-timer ESPECIALLY when Kreider has his head up his own ass this season.

What??? You want to break up the power play- the one element that is keeping this team competitive right now.

 

[chosen]

Guys, the next coach is gonna be the same guy.

They're all the same guy.

IMO, the biggest problem with the Rangers is they're not a great skating team.

Watching the Devils play like a buzzsaw makes you understand what's needed in today's game. When they don't have the puck, they're like a pack of angry bees searching out the puck. When they get it, they storm the opposing net. It could fall apart, but to me they're the best I've seen this year.

All that said, I still expect the Rangers to go on a hot streak soon.

 

[chosen]

He reminds me of Reaves!

Reaves isn't that bad he just cannot skate.

Stephen Hawking wasn't that bad of a basketball player. He just couldn't walk.

 

[GENESISPuck94]

What??? You want to break up the power play- the one element that is keeping this team competitive right now.

That doesn't matter. It's not improving the franchise's long term growth and success. It's hampering it. See this is the problem. There's a notion that this team is somehow winning a Cup this or next year and at all costs. They're not.

 

[Fitzy]

The guys were two games away from the Stanley Cup Finals last season when the team quite clearly figuratively ran out of steam.

The last three games after giving up the lead in game 3 were a broken team with a broken spirit.

So it doesn’t surprise me at all that certain veterans on the Rangers aren’t pushing at 100 percent in November. Kreider, Trouba, bread want to all be healthy and energized when it matters.

There is a human element. No player gives their best effort every single game. You’d be sleeping 12 hours a night

 

[Leonardo87]

Ok, that one kinda sucked ass, not gonna lie.

You know me, I’m usually very optimistic but now nearly 20 games in, we have some concern. Cannot score at ES, Kakko and Laf look useless out there, and have no scoring depth. It was a good solid 1st period but then went to shit.

 

[Kovalev27]

It's ridiculous that Gallant banned the kids from OT for literally no reason but they also don't f***ing do anything and it's getting old.

Honestly they don’t deserve OT mins. Trying to score a goal I’m going to play the guys that are actively trying to do that. It’s not veseys fault he’s outplaying 1st and 2nd overall picks. These guys don’t do anything.

They got gifted first and second line spots thru the first 10 games plus. They did nothing.

They get their kid line reunited they do nothing but circle around

Tonight they were dreadful

And frankly when they do get power play time they do nothing with it. Laf doesn’t have a power play goal. Not one. In 3 seasons.

 

[chosen]

Agree.

Kreids, Zibs, and Panarin are lazy as shit and terrible leaders. That's why they were passed over for the 'C'.

If you're in the NHL, you're not lazy.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

The coach is part of that. The coach is the one actively handling their usage and development on the NHL roster. Gallant is hands off, lets the vets do whatever they want with no accountability. He runs a country club. He's loyal to his 'guys' at the expense of what's better for the franchise. And what's worse is "i wont let it ruin my weekend" Drury, one of the most monotone milquetoast people in human history, is at the helm of the organization, nearly every decision he's made has been the wrong one, and he sits around watching the 1 and 2 OA picks being used like scrub 5th round picks.

The coach is just a symptom of the underlying problem.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Pananrin and Trochek aren't a match
The top line needs a burner on the right side.
The kids need to start finding the net.
Zib and Kreider shouldnt be on the pk, we've got enough bottom 6 killers that they should be fresh after the kill. Kakko can kill, Lafreniere should be able to too, if they need minutes thats where they can get them.

 

[Do you want ants]

I was hoping for 5 points on this trip before it started and they can still accomplish that. Seattle is good team and better than a lot people want to give them credit for. Look at their schedule and results. Hopefully they figure out how to score some 5v5 goals soon.

Pananrin and Trochek aren't a match
The top line needs a burner on the right side.
The kids need to start finding the net.
Zib and Kreider shouldnt be on the pk, we've got enough bottom 6 killers that they should be fresh after the kill. Kakko can kill, Lafreniere should be able to too, if they need minutes thats where they can get them.

I disagree with the Zib/Kreider PK part. They generate some good chances that kills large chunks of clock. I’m fine with reducing the amount of Pk usage some though.

 

[Synergy27]

I was really hoping that we wouldn’t still be having these questions about the kids by now. I’ve been told to be patient. I feel like I’ve been patient.

 

[IronBloodedLion]

Gallant messed with what worked, instead of fixing what didn’t

He’s gonna get himself fired with the way he’s coaching.

 

[Kords]

I do wonder what kind of direction the kids are given during practice. Areas to improve individually and as a unit. Who is their skills coach and is he doing a good job given the results? Skating, shooting, stick handling, positioning and decision making aren't improving. There has to be some sort of accountability and some point, right?

 

[will1066]

The guys were two games away from the Stanley Cup Finals last season when the team quite clearly figuratively ran out of steam.

The last three games after giving up the lead in game 3 were a broken team with a broken spirit.

So it doesn’t surprise me at all that certain veterans on the Rangers aren’t pushing at 100 percent in November. Kreider, Trouba, bread want to all be healthy and energized when it matters.

There is a human element. No player gives their best effort every single game. You’d be sleeping 12 hours a night

I understand this but also don't buy this. Plenty of contenders fall short one year and come back the next regular season determined and run roughshod the next 82 games.

This core is going nowhere. Soft. We're looking at a true rebuild if Drury manages to jettison these vet forwards. Only Trocheck is a gamer among them.

The eye test does not lie. This vet group has the worst hockey fundamentals around. They don't win battles. They don't work the boards. They don't get in the dirty areas. Every game feels like a carbon copy.

 

[romba]

Yo wtf happened? I stayed up for period 1, we looked nb, good zone time and outshooting them. I went to sleep (smart move), got woken up by baby numerous times so gave in watched the extended highlights at 4, and we were shellacked for periods 2 and 3.

Looked like the Octopussies learned to play hard north south, get pucks deep and blaze by our slow as molasses d. Then if we ever recovered the puck (unlikely), they pressed the NZ and our d zone points hard so we can’t get a transition going and we have to dump it in on our heels with no speed.

We need to figure this shit out. Not time to fire the coach yet, gotta give him 2 full seasons imo, but clock is ticking on our 30+ vets staying at their peaks.

Did I hear Goodrow, Vesey and Troubadour was a thing in OT? That’s actually hilarious.

Shesty should have done his splits push off in OT instead of the post hug but I don’t blame him for thinking he had enough time to get to the post, it was a perfectly placed shot (our forwards do not know such things exist) not too much he could do, he was a quarter inch from stopping it. Other 2 goals were deflections too, and especially number 2 can’t blame him for at all.

 

[Ratelleitlikeitis]

They're all the same guy.

IMO, the biggest problem with the Rangers is they're not a great skating team.

Watching the Devils play like a buzzsaw makes you understand what's needed in today's game. When they don't have the puck, they're like a pack of angry bees searching out the puck. When they get it, they storm the opposing net. It could fall apart, but to me they're the best I've seen this year.

All that said, I still expect the Rangers to go on a hot streak soon.

Have to agree after watching them pester the Leafs last night. They had forecheckers below the dots maintaining pressure and I asked myself..." What is this effective madness ". Won't it be interesting when Lindy wins the Jack Adams.

 

[JHS]

That doesn't matter. It's not improving the franchise's long term growth and success. It's hampering it. See this is the problem. There's a notion that this team is somehow winning a Cup this or next year and at all costs. They're not.

But when do we try and win the cup? Like how is it possible to say we are not ready to win the cup this year when we were basically 6 wins away last year.

The other issue is if you constantly rebuild you end up like Ottawa and Buffalo.