I felt it when they didnt match it was a massive mistake and got so sad they let him go but reading this thread makes me feel embarrassed of fellow Habs fans still trying to bash him. Carolina took this one and we got boofed. Nothing we can do about that. Happy that MB is gone to say the least. Good for KK that he has had a good run now and i just read that his pts per 60mins is really top tier for his age, beating the likes of Mackinnon etc.
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To be fair, before the season started, most Habs fans grudgingly expected Kotkaniemi to do well. On paper, he seemed like a perfect fit with the young Canes team. Then he got off to a slow start and Habs fans were pleasantly surprised and started to get more vocal. He’s still not a 6 million dollar player but he’s trending that way.
Well said
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I like KK, but his skating and balance are bad and have shown little imroovement in the last few years. It's not a meme, it's reality.
A fair under/over for KK at the start of the season would have been his totals as a rookie of 34 points. Would you have bet the under or over in that. I figured he would but not by much. Didn’t think he’d hit 50.
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35 points is still doable for Kotkaniemi. If he keeps getting, unfairly, put on 3rd or 4th lines as a winger then he may be streaky the rest of the way. At 21 he needs some stability but he is getting bounced around a lot.
Unfairly? he hasn't come close to earning himself in the top 6 and he's soft as shit
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Im assuming you meant to quote me. I say unfairly because he has played well. On top of that, he was on another level when given the 2C spot during the height of our covid issues. He has outplayed Staal to this point. It’s obvious he is a lot more comfortable in the center position. Soft as shit is egregious hyperbole.
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But that second will probably be really high, so using your logic, basically a 1st, so it’s back to a 1st and a 2nd. A 1st that is a 2nd and a 2nd that is a 1st.
If only there was a well defined way of classifying picks it would make life a lot easier.
Way to out yourself as never having watched him play. Also 8 points in 6 games doesn't earn a person a promotion? Was he supposed to go 2ppg average and play like a 1st liner?
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Both sides are overboard. Habs fans are right that he is a bad skater and takes too long to shoot. Canes fans are right that we really don’t care because he fits the team pretty well and we don’t all have the highest expectations for him. Current Canes management isn’t afraid of taking chances and this was a perfectly fine chance to take. He’s not worth six million but no one on either side ever said he was. That was just the cost of acquisition. As a Canes fan I’m still indifferent about his play, though I like that a lot of his points are greasy hard work points. The idea that he can replace Staal is a bit ridiculous as Staal has been one of the best third line centers in the league and JK has none of the more dominant defensive oriented attributes Staal has but he can be a solid third line center. He’s a middle six player and the Canes fan have him for his prime it it works out.
There’s no regrets from the Canes side. There’s not a lot of player movement these days, especially in this age group and you have take your chances when the opportunity arises. He’s worth the pick which is all I care about. I couldn’t care less about the six million. I’m not paying it and it isn’t hurting us.
There’s no regrets from the Canes side. There’s not a lot of player movement these days, especially in this age group and you have take your chances when the opportunity arises. He’s worth the pick which is all I care about. I couldn’t care less about the six million. I’m not paying it and it isn’t hurting us.
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There is going to bias as the year goes on.
going into this if you said the 1st was going to be 27-32 is very different than Carolina just missed the playoffs by a point then wins the lottery.
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Considering the 2nd isn’t from this season but instead 2024 your intense calculations are wrong
bleedgreen
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The Canes were one of the best teams in the league last season and there was no reason to think they would be worse. In September you might’ve said they went sideways but not backwards. It was always going to be unlikely they missed the playoffs.
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Surprised they didn't extend him yet, I would have bet they already had a deal worked out. Maybe they did and then it fell though?
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It’s been a weird season for the Canes roster. So many injuries and COVID cases that the lineup juggling had been immense. Both sides might want things to settle in a bit and see where Koko slots in before putting pen to paper. He’s definitely proving to be a very useful player for us though.
I called lose, lose, lose and am sticking by that prediction. While on a great team, KK can't be happy playing 10 a night. Not a great development year for him IMO.
Montreal can't be happy with Dvorak for KK. I know I'm.
And the Canes were expecting him to be able to play up the lineup. I get that he is a useful player but come-on, everyone including me was expecting him to play more then limited 4th line minutes.
I do think he will pick it up in the playoffs, he has a second gear and those 4th line guys that step up can change a series.
Montreal can't be happy with Dvorak for KK. I know I'm.
And the Canes were expecting him to be able to play up the lineup. I get that he is a useful player but come-on, everyone including me was expecting him to play more then limited 4th line minutes.
I do think he will pick it up in the playoffs, he has a second gear and those 4th line guys that step up can change a series.
Look at his production and fit with the team. He had a big 2 weeks potting 8 points over a 6 game span in the second quarter of the season but has like 22 points in 47 games I total. Outside of that stretch of 6 games he put up 14 points in 41 games.
His current pace is 39 points over 82 games.
so what kind of deal would make sense to both sides right now?
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If he picks it up in the playoffs and/or provides depth when injuries occur (which they will), then I'm fine with it from a Canes POV, even if I didn't like the acquisition when it was first made. I don't really care about the pick that much.
Even if the Canes lose him after the season ends, it would mean they basically paid a "deadline rental" price for a full season of Kotkaniemi. If he picks it up in the playoffs and the Canes do well, then it's fine.
Canes had 33 picks in the last 3 drafts, have a good young team, have a top 10 prospect pool, and still have 8 picks in the upcoming draft (2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 2 6ths, 2 7ths). Even if a small % of their prospects and picks ever pan out, they won't all be able to play in Carolina.
Even if the Canes lose him after the season ends, it would mean they basically paid a "deadline rental" price for a full season of Kotkaniemi. If he picks it up in the playoffs and the Canes do well, then it's fine.
Canes had 33 picks in the last 3 drafts, have a good young team, have a top 10 prospect pool, and still have 8 picks in the upcoming draft (2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 2 6ths, 2 7ths). Even if a small % of their prospects and picks ever pan out, they won't all be able to play in Carolina.
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