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Traded Korpisalo (5 years/20M)
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Laphroaig
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The league average save percentage last year was .904. Murray's was .903. He's not a horrible goalie, he just can't stay healthy.
Samsquanch
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Just watched the Columbus writer for the Athletic talk about Korpisalo on the sensational podcast, and I gotta say I'm pretty excited about him now.
I think we may have a real gem in this guy. He's the hip surgery seems to have really allowed him to blossom into a high end goaltender. Changed his style a bit post surgery and he looks dominant now. And he's basically the opposite character from Matt Murray (a workhorse that will play through any kind of pain for his team).
I think we may have a real gem in this guy. He's the hip surgery seems to have really allowed him to blossom into a high end goaltender. Changed his style a bit post surgery and he looks dominant now. And he's basically the opposite character from Matt Murray (a workhorse that will play through any kind of pain for his team).
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Samsquanch
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Gonna be honest, I have no idea what my takeaway from this should be 
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bert
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Oh he's a horrible goalie. The most important trait in a goalie is if his teammates think he is reliable. He's not. Trusting your goalie allows teams to play with confidence. That list is absolutely meaningless.
bert
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No it wasn't. The age of the core always suggested it was going to start this year. Last years roster was severely flawed. This one is deeper and further along in the development cycle. Cam Talbot also absolutely sucks. Can't be worse NHL goaltending than him.
There was too much turnover in important positions last year and a d core that wasn't established. This team has that now, there's more continuity and depth. Sanderson and Pinto were rookies Stutzle started the year off not being a number 1 center. If anyone has been following this team for the last 20+ years they would understand player development takes time. This was always the time line. Dorion got impatient and burned assets a year too early. But that's done now, this is the first year I've seen this team have real potential to make the playoffs. Hopefully the terrible injury luck is over. Especially in net and down the middle.
Micklebot
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Vegas couldn't finish 8th a year ago and this year they won the cup. One big difference between the two seasons for VGK is .901 sv% vs .911, helped them shave off ~20 goals against.
On the flip side, we used 7 different goalies last year, the likelihood of us improving our sv% significantly is fairly good, and that's before getting into whether having Chychrun all year, a deeper group of forwards, or Norris back will help.
JungleBeat
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Let’s be honest bud and mention the major Vegas injuries. Not the same situation at all with the quality of players out and their past success. Vegas also used 5 goalies this year…
Micklebot
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If we're being honest, we'd recognize the difference between VGK using 4 goalies with past NHL experience one of which being a vet they picked up at the deadline, while giving the fifth guy his first 2 career games, and us giving 5 guys who combined had less than 10 games experience the net for a third of the season because we had no choice while Talbot and Forsberg struggled with consistency all year when they were even healthy. Vegas had pretty stable goaltending all year, we did not. Vegas at no point was going to their 7th guy on the depth chart or playing a guy that was getting ECHL starts earlier in the year.
Yes, Vegas had injuries last year, but news flash, they had lots of injuries this year too. In both years they were among the most impacted by health, 471 man games lost this year, 505 man games lost the year before. Nobody is saying we are as good as them, or will potentially win the cup next year, if that's what you took for the post, you missed the point.
The point is pretty simple, being good enough to finish 8th is a meaningless statement when you ignore the context it came with, in both Ottawa and Vegas' case, that context included being riddled with injuries and poor goaltending.
JungleBeat
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C’mon bud, Vegas had an ECHL goalie for a couple games as well, seems to me that the bigger issue is multiple star players being injured. Apples and oranges, you made a bad comparison. Vegas had a recent history of success and one blip of missing the playoffs.
Micklebot
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No, they had their AHL starting goalie. None of their goalies played a single game in the ECHL this year,
None of that really matters though, they got good goaltending is the point, two games by their AHL starter aside, who performed fine btw, goaltending was never really hindering them
Seeing Anderson's retirement news made me look up his stats, he is our all time wins leader with 202. All Korpisalo has to do is average 40 wins a season each year with us, and we're all set to have our next Sens goalie goat.
Jokes aside, really hoping he can get 60+ starts and put up 30-35 wins. Can't remember the last time a goalie on our team put up 30 wins (aside from the fact that we've been rebuilding for so many years).
Jokes aside, really hoping he can get 60+ starts and put up 30-35 wins. Can't remember the last time a goalie on our team put up 30 wins (aside from the fact that we've been rebuilding for so many years).
Only 5 goalies have ever started 60+ games for us and 30+ wins has only been accomplished 6 times. I think your expectations might need adjustment.
Did a quick look up, only Anderson and Lalime put up 30 wins after having 60+ starts. Interesting that our single season record for starts is 67.
Ottawa Senators @ NHL - Goalies Single Season Records
Ottawa Senators goalies season records in the NHL. Most games played, wins, shutouts, etc. by Ottawa Senators goalies in a single NHL season.
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Saw some unfamiliar names like Sidorkiewicz and Billington. Hoping Korpisalo in one of his seasons can get 60+ starts & 30 wins. Definitely going to temper my expectations since his career high in starts is in 37 lol
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I don't think he was brought in to be a guy to play 60+ times in all honesty. If Forsberg is healthy he can handle 27+ starts and allows Korpi to play 55 or less. I'd like to think Mads could even hold down the fort for most of those if Forsberg misses time.
The contract always seems shocking because of the term, but the $4 million Korpi is set to earn this year is the #23 (cap wise) and #29 (cash wise) contract for a goaltender in the NHL. Based on goalies GP's numbers from last season, the goalies who played the 23rd to 29th most games averaged about 40 starts.
The contract always seems shocking because of the term, but the $4 million Korpi is set to earn this year is the #23 (cap wise) and #29 (cash wise) contract for a goaltender in the NHL. Based on goalies GP's numbers from last season, the goalies who played the 23rd to 29th most games averaged about 40 starts.
By advanced stats, Goals saved above expected per 60 minutes, among goalies who played 20 games or more, Korpisalo ranked 11th in the NHL, Forsberg 12th.
Matt Murray was 30th, Craig Anderson 32nd, Samsonov 8th, Gustavson 5th, Ulmark 1st, Saros 2nd.
I like this stat as it uses quality of chances, and the per 60 minutes evens out # of games played.
Matt Murray was 30th, Craig Anderson 32nd, Samsonov 8th, Gustavson 5th, Ulmark 1st, Saros 2nd.
I like this stat as it uses quality of chances, and the per 60 minutes evens out # of games played.
Check out korpisalo is any year that isn’t last yearBy advanced stats, Goals saved above expected per 60 minutes, among goalies who played 20 games or more, Korpisalo ranked 11th in the NHL, Forsberg 12th.
Matt Murray was 30th, Craig Anderson 32nd, Samsonov 8th, Gustavson 5th, Ulmark 1st, Saros 2nd.
I like this stat as it uses quality of chances, and the per 60 minutes evens out # of games played.
2021-22 Injuries caused poor play (hip).
2020-21 poor season.
2019-20 good regular season, spectacular playoffs with .941 save %, upset Toronto, lost to Tampa.
Why did you exclude 2019-20 in your analysis?
He's had 2 good years, 1 bad year, and 1 bad injured year in the last 4 years. He's the age when most goalies come into their own if they ever do. Forsberg was more risky when the Sens acquired him, and he's been good for 2 seasons now.
Sure, he's a gamble. Most goalies are. There was nobody else better available. The AAV is fine. Like most fans, I'd prefer if it was 3 years, but that's how free agency works, you either overpay AAV or term.
Goalies are hard to predict. Who'd have thought Adin Hill, Samsonov, and Gustavson would be so great last year? Note, don't put words in my mouth and say that I'm saying Korp will follow these guys, I'm not saying that, but I guarantee you're going to want to spin it that way, considering you left out 2019-20.
Micklebot
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At 5v5 (grabbed from natural statrick, just noticed the original was money puck)
14th in 2015-16
16th in 2019-20
So three seasons where he's been pretty good including this year, and 5 not so good.
I know he struggled with some hip issues for a while, got hip surgery in the 2021-22 season. don't know which seasons that would have impacted before he finally went out and got it addressed.
I’m not putting words in your mouth. You mentioned GSAA. Last year his GSAA was impressive. Every other year. Was bad , not that great. 19-20 was good too. And before that..not that good. Not so bueno for big contract
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It's a very delicate situation.
And Vegas fired their coach and replaced him with someone competent. We still haven't done that.
