Traded Korpisalo (5 years/20M)

[BankStreetParade]

It's worth pointing out that 4 mil isn't really a huge anchor after this year. We currently have 5 mil in dead cap space most of which comes off at the end of the year, and if after two years we decide to buy Korpi out, it's a around 2 mil cap hit or lower most years,

If the gamble pays off, it's a huge win, if it doesn't, the bigger issue is a few years wasted rather than the contract.

This was my initial reaction to the signing and I think this is the new mode of operation in the NHL. Tack on a cheap year or two to a contract for a guy of this calibre and make it an easy buy-out or retention play down the road if you need to get unstuck.

He plays 3 years here, we buy out the last 2 with an impact of $1M per year for 4 years. By the time year 3 is done, the cap might be close to $100M and that buy out will be nearly negligible. Or you retain 25% on a trade somewhere and you get out from the cap hit in 2 years instead of 4.

The only real downside is that he f***ing stinks from day 1 and I'm guessing that's not likely to be the case.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Emery was insanely overrated by our fanbase, good entertainment and a distraction at times, but Goaltending skills were questionable, I never trusted him in net.

I was always a big fan of the guy off the ice, not so much on it. Just a massive downgrade after Hasek that I was always just wondering what if. Very pedestrian goaltender imo and him getting as much praise as he has just goes to show how bad it's been for goalies in Ottawa not named Anderson.

 

[mouser]

And how many of those 29-33 do you think will be playing primarily on Ufa years? 28-32?

As of today 15 of those 33 goaltenders signed as RFAs. Varying #s of UFA years included.

 

[bert]

The more I look at this signing the more I like it TBH. Dave Poulin made some terrific points on TSN 1200. Maybe one year too long in term but they are locking him up for his prime years as a goalie at a decent cap hit.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

The more I look at this signing the more I like it TBH. Dave Poulin made some terrific points on TSN 1200. Maybe one year too long in term but they are locking him up for his prime years as a goalie at a decent cap hit.

Surely, if the team could have shortened the term term they would have, since it only really benefits their flexibility, so I just take it as the cost of getting it done basically.

 

[TonySoprano11]

Emery was insanely overrated by our fanbase, good entertainment and a distraction at times, but Goaltending skills were questionable, I never trusted him in net.

If you cared to go back and look through my post history during those years, I was no fan of his either. Was so happy when the team moved on.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Not just those two. Throw in Gerber, Leclaire, Elliott, etc. We've had two consistent goalies in franchise history - Anderson and Lalime. And Lalime was never thought of as a great starting goalie.

I'm less bothered by this signing now since it's buyout friendly unlike the Dorion's other dubious long term signings. I was hoping for a goalie signing more like the Hellberg or Lyon signings to free up cap space for improving the bottom six up front. Goalies are just such a crapshoot for this franchise.

Assen na yo!

Even Andy was cursed with being a yo-yo from one year to the other. The bounce back and forth from good year to bad year is the main reason we moved on from him.

 

[bert]

Surely, if the team could have shortened the term term they would have, since it only really benefits their flexibility, so I just take it as the cost of getting it done basically.

For sure it was the price of doing business. Again its really not that bad, he can make saves under duress which as we know this sens team gives up quality chances.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

For sure it was the price of doing business. Again its really not that bad, he can make saves under duress which as we know this sens team gives up quality chances.

We just need him not to collapse completely like others before him. Just stay healthy and give us .900%+ in tandem with Forsberg and we should be okay.

 

[bicboi64]

Despite the cons of the term, I'm feeling better about the signing considering what Jarry got and what it would cost to get Gibson. Seems the goalies that took pay cuts (Andersen, Hill, Raanta, etc..) took pay cuts to be with franchises they're willing to play in since they're contenders.

 

[thinkwild]

No it’s actually
Because korpisalo isn’t that good. Heard the same stuff here when we signed Matt Murray.

I remember when we signed Murray i was so optimistic. I remember a few people here saying this isnt going to work out as hoped. I figured if they were right, then yeah, bummer, but i didnt think they'd be right.

But they were right. But it didnt turn out to be crippling as first feared, just an annoying mosquito bite.

So now i have transferred my optimism to Korpi. (Hmm, nah, still working on that.) But it feels different than with Murray. Different trajectories. But its always a gamble. But like with Murray, if it doesnt work out, i think getting rid of him will be the same annoying mosquito bite. But he could also hit his peak and become a top goalie. I'll suffer a mosquito bite for that chance. Looks like a good risk. Safe is death.

 

[aragorn]

I don't think it would matter which goalie they signed it will always be a gamble & some will hate the deal & some will love the deal & some will wait & see. There is nothing anyone can do about injuries, you can't prevent them because you never know when they are going to happen & sometimes they can derail a team's season.

The RedBlacks just lost their good young QB just as he was starting to look good, injuries happen. Sometimes goalies jell with a new team & everything goes well & sometimes it doesn't for whatever reason. All we can do is hope for the best.

 

[DaveMatthew]

In a deal with Seattle, it'd have to be Bjorkstrand, Burakovsky or Schwartz heading back. Not because of value or anything, but because Seattle would have to send out ~5M in salary to accomodate Debrincat at 8-9M.

Tolvanen + picks/prospects wouldn't work, unless a guy like Tanev was included as well.

Problem is all of those players (other than Tolvanen) have at least a 10 team NTC... so it seems unlikely that any would waive.

 

[Hale The Villain]

In a deal with Seattle, it'd have to be Bjorkstrand, Burakovsky or Schwartz heading back. Not because of value or anything, but because Seattle would have to send out ~5M in salary to accomodate Debrincat at 8-9M.

Tolvanen + picks/prospects wouldn't work, unless a guy like Tanev was included as well.

Problem is all of those players (other than Tolvanen) have at least a 10 team NTC... so it seems unlikely that any would waive.

Ottawa is probably on all of the NTC lists belonging to every Seattle forward making over 1.5M.

I suspect they would just pay a team like Chicago to take on Driedger. Dumping him and trading Tolvanen to Ottawa opens up 5M.

Would give them about 20M in cap space to sign DeBrincat, Dunn, Borgen and call-up/sign two depth forwards.

Should be tight but it's do-able.

 

[bicboi64]

Ottawa is probably on all of the NTC lists belonging to every Seattle forward making over 1.5M.

I dunno, if a guy like Tarasenko is considering Ottawa, guys like Korpisalo chose Ottawa, I doubt every forward on Seattle with even a modified NTC blocks a trade.

For all the holes in our bottom 6, our team is poised to break out.

 

[Senscore]

I dunno, if a guy like Tarasenko is considering Ottawa, guys like Korpisalo chose Ottawa, I doubt every forward on Seattle with even a modified NTC blocks a trade.

For all the holes in our bottom 6, our team is poised to break out.

Well is Tarasenko considering us or we useful in helping squeeze more out of Carolina

 

[Icelevel]

The more I look at this signing the more I like it TBH. Dave Poulin made some terrific points on TSN 1200. Maybe one year too long in term but they are locking him up for his prime years as a goalie at a decent cap hit.

Not to start anything but isn’t that what they did with Murray?

 

[Hale The Villain]

I dunno, if a guy like Tarasenko is considering Ottawa, guys like Korpisalo chose Ottawa, I doubt every forward on Seattle with even a modified NTC blocks a trade.

For all the holes in our bottom 6, our team is poised to break out.

I suspect that is because we are offering more term and possibly more money than other teams.

The guys on Seattle have contracts already.

 

[JD1]

That’s the type of goaltending we need. So whatever the term whatever the salary, if korpisalo isn’t that then we’re screwed. No winning for us.
40+ games is fine as long as we can rely on forsberg to play 35+

Now you’re asking for everything to go perfectly when it never has.

You made a stupid ass statement saying if 50 and if 920 it'll be fine but those things combined don't put you in the 4aav neighborhood where this signing is.

Maybe rethink what fine means for 4aav

 

[Micklebot]

Not to start anything but isn’t that what they did with Murray?

Murray cost 2.25 more and was backloaded, we've taken the opposite approach and given ourselves a much easier out if the deal doesn't work out.

Just because locking up Murray for his prime didn't work doesn't mean locking up a goalie for their prime is a bad idea.

Korpisalo is signed to one of the cheaper deals for a starter, but there's certainly some risk on our end if he doesn't perform, he's got the tools to be pretty good, but has been inconsistent in part due to health.

 

[DJB]

Is it too much to ask for Korpisalo to not be injured and not suck?

That’s all I ask

 

[Micklebot]

Is it too much to ask for Korpisalo to not be injured and not suck?

That’s all I ask

If he can play 40-50 games a year and give us around league average sv% the deal is a huge win, its a pretty low bar for success, but basically were just asking for stability in net

 

[Icelevel]

Murray cost 2.25 more and was backloaded, we've taken the opposite approach and given ourselves a much easier out if the deal doesn't work out.

Just because locking up Murray for his prime didn't work doesn't mean locking up a goalie for their prime is a bad idea.

Korpisalo is signed to one of the cheaper deals for a starter, but there's certainly some risk on our end if he doesn't perform, he's got the tools to be pretty good, but has been inconsistent in part due to health.

This isn’t just locking up a goalie for his prime. The similarities are locking up a goalie with serious injury issues and average numbers.
Although I think I’ll like korpisalo he hasn’t proven anything in the playoffs yet.

You made a stupid ass statement saying if 50 and if 920 it'll be fine but those things combined don't put you in the 4aav neighborhood where this signing is.

Maybe rethink what fine means for 4aav

The post was about the type of goaltending we need. I don’t want another average goaltender locked up for 5 years.

 

[Mingus Dew]

Is it too much to ask for Korpisalo to not be injured and not suck?

That’s all I ask

Best we can do is a hip injury and .850 sorry.

 

[R2010]

The more I look at this signing the more I like it TBH. Dave Poulin made some terrific points on TSN 1200. Maybe one year too long in term but they are locking him up for his prime years as a goalie at a decent cap hit.

Mike Johnson liked it too. They're very different (him and Dave) with Mike being heavy into analytics but came to the same conclusion. The structure of the contract is key.

Either way every couple of years he seems to give stellar goaltending. I'll take the chance of that happening over what are other options were.