Traded Korpisalo (5 years/20M)

[Hale The Villain]

Nah… read through the thread… half of the usual detractors are saying that guy is not going to perform.

Evidence Confirmed with Link: - Korpisalo sign with Sens (5 years/20M)

Traded - Korpisalo (5 years/20M)

5 years lol. Dorion just knows it'll be the next GM's turn to deplete draft picks to clean up this one.

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Yeah there's a decent chance of that.

Korpisalo has played 8 partial seasons in his career.

He's been above .900 SV% in 4 of them and below .900 SV% in the other 4.

Have no idea what you're going to get from this guy game-to-game and season-to-season.

 

[Ouroboros]

It is a fact that this guy has an awful track record - for the majority of his career he has been a way below average goalie. By both traditional and advanced metrics he's been bad.

This season he was good, both on a bad Columbus team and good LA Kings team. Hopefully this is due to the hip surgery fixing him up and allowing him to play at a high level. Naturally, this is the outcome everybody wants.

But this is a guy with an extensive injury history to go along with an extensive history of sketchy results. It's a huge bet on a guy who probably doesn't even have high-end upside.

The odds are probably tilted towards this not working out.

 

[Ice-Tray]

It is a fact that this guy has an awful track record - for the majority of his career he has been a way below average goalie. By both traditional and advanced metrics he's been bad.

This season he was good, both on a bad Columbus team and good LA Kings team. Hopefully this is due to the hip surgery fixing him up and allowing him to play at a high level. Naturally, this is the outcome everybody wants.

But this is a guy with an extensive injury history to go along with a extensive history of sketchy results. It's a huge bet on a guy who probably doesn't even have high-end upside.

The odds are probably tilted towards this not working out.

Super Debbie downer post dude!

Great season after finally surgically repairing his bum hips gives lots to be excited about.

Not only is it not a ’huge gamble’, but he absolutely does have high-end upside.

Lighten up man Lol

 

[Gil Gunderson]

It is a fact that this guy has an awful track record - for the majority of his career he has been a way below average goalie. By both traditional and advanced metrics he's been bad.

This season he was good, both on a bad Columbus team and good LA Kings team. Hopefully this is due to the hip surgery fixing him up and allowing him to play at a high level. Naturally, this is the outcome everybody wants.

But this is a guy with an extensive injury history to go along with an extensive history of sketchy results. It's a huge bet on a guy who probably doesn't even have high-end upside.

The odds are probably tilted towards this not working out.

Also a GM who has seemed to fumble every goalie decision he’s made.

We’ll see. We need to actually play defence this time too.

 

[Rals]

Also a GM who has seemed to fumble every goalie decision he’s made.

We’ll see. We need to actually play defence this time too.

Bringing back DJ will help with that

 

[SpezDispenser]

It's the 2020/21 and the 21/22 season where he struggled in aave percentage. He had surgery that shut down the 21/22 season, but their gm said it had been bothering him for a while.

Probably safe to say he was badly affected in both years by the hip.

CBJ G Joonas Korpisalo to undergo hip surgery | Columbus Blue Jackets

Goaltender will miss rest of the 2021-22 season

www.nhl.com

 

[God Says No]

I like the player, but I'm not thrilled with the term. I'm assuming though, that's the only way he would sign with us. So overall, I'm pretty happy with Dorion and this deal.

 

[Sens Vader]

I think people are too scarred from Murray/Talbot

A number 1 goalie on 4mil AAV is good

I wanna see the new mark drop, always love seeing that

 

[Beech]

I like the player, but I'm not thrilled with the term. I'm assuming though, that's the only way he would sign with us. So overall, I'm pretty happy with Dorion and this deal.

Nick Kyprios of Sportsnet echoed your sentiment.

By year 3, the CAP should be 92-93 M.. You can afford a backup making 4 M.

so if he gives the team 2 solid years, it should be okay..

 

[God Says No]

Nick Kyprios of Sportsnet echoed your sentiment.

By year 3, the CAP should be 92-93 M.. You can afford a backup making 4 M.

so if he gives the team 2 solid years, it should be okay..

I don't know if I should take that as a compliment or an insult.

 

[mouser]

Nick Kyprios of Sportsnet echoed your sentiment.

By year 3, the CAP should be 92-93 M.. You can afford a backup making 4 M.

so if he gives the team 2 solid years, it should be okay..

Would still be bad value unless that $4m backup is an elite 1B goaltender.

Cap jump from $83.5m to $93m is only 11%. There are only 33 goaltenders making more than $3m this upcoming season. I’d estimate with a year 3 cap of $93m there will be 29-33 goaltenders with a $4m+ AAV.

 

[JD1]

Would still be bad value unless that $4m backup is an elite 1B goaltender.

Cap jump from $83.5m to $93m is only 11%. There are only 33 goaltenders making more than $3m this upcoming season. I’d estimate with a year 3 cap of $93m there will be 29-33 goaltenders with a $4m+ AAV.

And how many of those 29-33 do you think will be playing primarily on Ufa years? 28-32?

 

[aragorn]

I think 5 yrs term is perfect for Korpisala who is only 29 yrs old, we have Forsberg for two more yrs & together should be a decent tandem. At that point Sogaard should be NHL ready & ready to be the backup, he was already pretty good last yr during his time in the NHL & got some decent experience under fire. In yr 4 if Sogaard is suppose to be the future starter for this team he should be challenging for the starters job & push Korpisalo to be the backup by yr 5. Goalies also get hurt & it's likely Sogaard will see time in Ottawa over the next two seasons & if he is really good they could always trade Forsberg before his deal is done.

When Korpisalo's contract is done he either comes back as the backup or Merilainen is ready to take that backup role & maybe challenge Sogaard. In 5 yrs Sogaard will be in his prime & Merilainen will be entering his. We also know the cap is going up & the price we paid for Korpisalo is rather cheap for a starting goalie & will be even better as soon as 2 or 3 yrs. The only way this doesn't work is if he gets into injury problems or sucks & that would be the case for any goalie. He just has to play fairly well for us for this to be a good deal & Forsberg & Sogaard also need to be good when called upon. It's also likely Korpisalo has a young family & wants a stable place for a number of yrs for his family to grow while he is earning a living.

 

[Icelevel]

I think people are too scarred from Murray/Talbot

A number 1 goalie on 4mil AAV is good

I wanna see the new mark drop, always love seeing that

He’s never played 40 games in a regular season though. Coming off double hip surgery. career numbers not very good.
These are the concerns and reasons he should have very little leverage and wasn’t expected to sign such a long contract. All the reactions I saw (about 20+) were shock.

Similar to Murray in those ways.

Optimistic but still doesn’t make a lot of sense.
If this season he plays 50 games with a .920 save percentage then it’ll be looking good. That’s double his games played average though.

 

[JD1]

He’s never played 40 games in a regular season though. Coming off double hip surgery. career numbers not very good.
These are the concerns and reasons he should have very little leverage and wasn’t expected to sign such a long contract. All the reactions I saw (about 20+) were shock.

Similar to Murray in those ways.

Optimistic but still doesn’t make a lot of sense.
If this season he plays 50 games with a .920 save percentage then it’ll be looking good. That’s double his games played average though.

Last year there were two goalies that played 50+ with a .920 save percentage: Hellybuck and Sorokin.

Sorokin just signed for a cap hit of 8+ for 8 years and Hellybuck is looking to do the same.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

It feels like the reason we are talking about a buyout isnt because we got the best ufa goalie entering his prime that many were calling for. If it was a 3 yr contract i think we would be having a repeat of a summer of Pierre who addressed our biggest need with the best goalie in the market available for free. And there would be joy throughout Sensville. . But because we had to give two extra years all of a sudden the whole mood changed and we became Eeyores. If we restrict ourselves to only perfect contracts in the eyes of armchair capologists, putting together a winner will be unnecessarily challenging. Reminds me of the teeth gnashing over giving Gonchar that 3rd yr.

No it’s actually
Because korpisalo isn’t that good. Heard the same stuff here when we signed Matt Murray.

 

[ColinM]

I wonder what is more likely to be the final nail in Pierre's coffin. Picking his last coach or picking his last goalie.

 

[GCK]

Was Korpisalo not the best goalie that hit the market ? I don’t love the term but if that’s what it took to get him so be it.

 

[Icelevel]

Last year there were two goalies that played 50+ with a .920 save percentage: Hellybuck and Sorokin.

Sorokin just signed for a cap hit of 8+ for 8 years and Hellybuck is looking to do the same.

That’s the type of goaltending we need. So whatever the term whatever the salary, if korpisalo isn’t that then we’re screwed. No winning for us.
40+ games is fine as long as we can rely on forsberg to play 35+

Now you’re asking for everything to go perfectly when it never has.

 

[Masked]

I think people are too scarred from Murray/Talbot

A number 1 goalie on 4mil AAV is good

I wanna see the new mark drop, always love seeing that

Not just those two. Throw in Gerber, Leclaire, Elliott, etc. We've had two consistent goalies in franchise history - Anderson and Lalime. And Lalime was never thought of as a great starting goalie.

I'm less bothered by this signing now since it's buyout friendly unlike the Dorion's other dubious long term signings. I was hoping for a goalie signing more like the Hellberg or Lyon signings to free up cap space for improving the bottom six up front. Goalies are just such a crapshoot for this franchise.

Assen na yo!

 

[SpezDispenser]

It's simple: Dorion is betting that his hip injury killed his numbers in those two years and that the goalie you saw before and after the surgery is the one you get.

It's a gamble, but 100% the statements from Columbus at the time correlate to a decrease in his numbers, so maybe he's right.

The term is unfortunate though. Because....yeah, if he sucks, we're screwed.

 

[stempniaksen]

Super risky signing with that term and his injury history.

Probably not the guy I would have taken a swing on, but PD gets his starting goalie at a comfortable AAV and likely isn't here to deal with any potential fallout, so from his perspective I understand the gamble.

He seems like a stand-up dude, which won't matter if he turns into Red Light Racicot, but in the short term it makes him an easy guy to cheer for.

 

[TonySoprano11]

We've had two consistent goalies in franchise history - Anderson and Lalime. And Lalime was never thought of as a great starting goalie.

I was going to mention that Emery should be considered with those two, but then I looked up his stats and he only played here for like 3 seasons. For some reason I remembered that guy playing here for like 10 years.

 

[Answer]

Dorion is smart. He signed some who everyone can use as a scapegoat when our star players shit the bed, as always LOL

 

[robsenz]

I was going to mention that Emery should be considered with those two, but then I looked up his stats and he only played here for like 3 seasons. For some reason I remembered that guy playing here for like 10 years.

Emery was insanely overrated by our fanbase, good entertainment and a distraction at times, but Goaltending skills were questionable, I never trusted him in net.