Traded Korpisalo (5 years/20M)

[SpezDispenser]

GARRIOCH: Ottawa Senators goalie Joonas Korpisalo excited about new chapter

"There were a couple of options and I think Ottawa stood right up there. Playing against them, it's not fun being a goalie at the other end."

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Darn Garrioch. That's such a positive article and now I'm excited for him. I will await heartbreak soon.

 

[R2010]

"Here's a bunch of cherry-picked stats to mask the fact that we just gave a career backup $20M over 5 years. Now here's 10 more ads!"

Speaking of Cherry Picked stats. This entire thread is filled with them.

The career .904 is really career 0.907 if we take out 2021-2022 when they basically had to shut him down he was so injured. Before the major surgery they said he was playing with that injury and just had reached a breaking point where he wasn't able to be successful and needed to go under the knife.

Forsberg and Talbot were a combined 0.90 this year. Plug in JKs career '0.907' into their shot totals and you get 12 fewer goals against. We let in 12 less goals during CT/AF starts and we're in the playoffs.

That's only if we're talking plugging his career numbers in. In his three best years he's been above 0.911 each time.

Good gamble. Would prefer a year or two less surely but if that's what it took then it is what it is.

 

[Hockeysawks]

Speaking of Cherry Picked stats. This entire thread is filled with them.

The career .904 is really career 0.907 if we take out 2021-2022 when they basically had to shut him down he was so injured. Before the major surgery they said he was playing with that injury and just had reached a breaking point where he wasn't able to be successful and needed to go under the knife.

Forsberg and Talbot were a combined 0.90 this year. Plug in JKs career '0.907' into their shot totals and you get 12 fewer goals against. We let in 12 less goals during CT/AF starts and we're in the playoffs.

That's only if we're talking plugging his career numbers in. In his three best years he's been above 0.911 each time.

Good gamble. Would prefer a year or two less surely but if that's what it took then it is what it is.

It’s a huge risk, the term tho.. if he is good it will be the best part of the deal. If he is bad the Sens would be screwed for a higher hit for 3 years anyway.
The Dado and Murray deals made me suspect that our GM signs and holds guys for a year or two while the other team waits for the cap space to open up.

 

[Micklebot]

It's worth pointing out that 4 mil isn't really a huge anchor after this year. We currently have 5 mil in dead cap space most of which comes off at the end of the year, and if after two years we decide to buy Korpi out, it's a around 2 mil cap hit or lower most years,

If the gamble pays off, it's a huge win, if it doesn't, the bigger issue is a few years wasted rather than the contract.

 

[Senscore]

My hope with this deal is that after all the bad goaltending decisions from Dorion, that maybe he'll luck into a good one. And this might be it. Please god let this be it.

Because this illustrious core we've locked up that everyone seems to admire is going to be playing in front of Korpisalo for the majority of their deals. So if he isn't the guy then that's a real issue that's going to have to be solved fast.

 

[Cosmix]

Darn Garrioch. That's such a positive article and now I'm excited for him. I will await heartbreak soon.

Typical Garrioch article for newly acquiured players.

 

[SpezDispenser]

Typical Garrioch article for newly acquiured players.

That's the thing. I knew that before clicking and I tried not to click. Then I did and I feel for the schlock.

 

[HSF]

one of the longest terms handed out in free agency. Concerning

 

[Micklebot]

Think of it as a three year deal with a built in option years/buyout for years 4 and 5.

4m x 3yrs + 2yr option at 4 or 1.5, 2, 1,1 buyout years

The buyout is really affordable after 3 years if he doesn't pan out.

 

[Big Muddy]

Think of it as a three year deal with a built in option years/buyout for years 4 and 5.

4m x 3yrs + 2yr option at 4 or 1.5, 2, 1,1 buyout years

The buyout is really affordable after 3 years if he doesn't pan out.

Ya, that's one way of looking at it. Hopefully, its worst case and won't happen. Buyouts and retained salary are not desirable as we are seeing now.

If Korpisalo is the starter and plays well, it was a pretty good signing. That's all we can hope for now that the trade has been done. Hopefully our team D will improve. It will be harder for a goalie to shine if it isn't.

 

[Micklebot]

Ya, that's one way of looking at it. Hopefully, its worst case and won't happen. Buyouts and retained salary are not desirable as we are seeing now.

If Korpisalo is the starter and plays well, it was a pretty good signing. That's all we can hope for now that the trade has been done. Hopefully our team D will improve. It will be harder for a goalie to shine if it isn't.

I think the negatives of buyouts are magnified right now due to the flat cap, as we move forward, it will be less of an issue, although not ideal.

it's risk vs reward, the buyout mitigates the risk fairly substantially imo, and the reward is a potential starter for the next 5 years at 4 mil, which is a pretty good bargain. Hopefully this turns out more like Anderson than Murray.

 

[Sun God Nika]

Think of it as a three year deal with a built in option years/buyout for years 4 and 5.

4m x 3yrs + 2yr option at 4 or 1.5, 2, 1,1 buyout years

The buyout is really affordable after 3 years if he doesn't pan out.

Although I understand the point you are trying to make ( what is 1-2M in a 100M salary cap) The fact that we are discussing a potential buyout on a contract already signed is so disappointing.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I liked his performance in the Oilers series

I liked his performance in his contract year.

 

[SlapJack]

Think of it as a three year deal with a built in option years/buyout for years 4 and 5.

4m x 3yrs + 2yr option at 4 or 1.5, 2, 1,1 buyout years

The buyout is really affordable after 3 years if he doesn't pan out.

That's a great way of looking at it. I like the deal...it carries risk but you don't have much of a choice when trying to get players to sign here. And if JK can be the guy he was last year for the length of the contract, it's incredible value.

The term was a selling feature that was worth more this year than any other recently. Husso got 4.75 x 3yr last season, JK would've been in the same boat and may have had an offer for like 5x3

 

[Micklebot]

Although I understand the point you are trying to make ( what is 1-2M in a 100M salary cap) The fact that we are discussing a potential buyout on a contract already signed is so disappointing.

It's a hedge. We wouldn't get any starting goalie that doesn't have some risk attached at 4 x 5, so to get that you need to take on some of the risk.

 

[thinkwild]

It feels like the reason we are talking about a buyout isnt because we got the best ufa goalie entering his prime that many were calling for. If it was a 3 yr contract i think we would be having a repeat of a summer of Pierre who addressed our biggest need with the best goalie in the market available for free. And there would be joy throughout Sensville. . But because we had to give two extra years all of a sudden the whole mood changed and we became Eeyores. If we restrict ourselves to only perfect contracts in the eyes of armchair capologists, putting together a winner will be unnecessarily challenging. Reminds me of the teeth gnashing over giving Gonchar that 3rd yr.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

It's worth pointing out that 4 mil isn't really a huge anchor after this year. We currently have 5 mil in dead cap space most of which comes off at the end of the year, and if after two years we decide to buy Korpi out, it's a around 2 mil cap hit or lower most years,

If the gamble pays off, it's a huge win, if it doesn't, the bigger issue is a few years wasted rather than the contract.

I have warmed up to this.

The term seemed nuts and I hadn't even considered that contract is what it would take, so the shock was real, but there's potential there when analyzing his numbers and situations he's been in as a bit of a diamond in the rough.

More than anything, we just need him to not turn in to a pumpkin and crater or get injured like we've had an issue with. Even if he's not the .921 save % goalie in Ottawa, if him and Forsberg can both stay healthy and give the team above .900 and not lose games with constant bad goals, they'll be in a good spot.

 

[Cosmix]

It's a hedge. We wouldn't get any starting goalie that doesn't have some risk attached at 4 x 5, so to get that you need to take on some of the risk.

Third time lucky, we hope.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Semi-local podcaster

 

[DueDiligence]

My hope with this deal is that after all the bad goaltending decisions from Dorion, that maybe he'll luck into a good one. And this might be it. Please god let this be it.

Because this illustrious core we've locked up that everyone seems to admire is going to be playing in front of Korpisalo for the majority of their deals. So if he isn't the guy then that's a real issue that's going to have to be solved fast.

Actually picking up Forsberg was a good move.

 

[DrEasy]

It's worth pointing out that 4 mil isn't really a huge anchor after this year. We currently have 5 mil in dead cap space most of which comes off at the end of the year, and if after two years we decide to buy Korpi out, it's a around 2 mil cap hit or lower most years,

If the gamble pays off, it's a huge win, if it doesn't, the bigger issue is a few years wasted rather than the contract.

The problem is that every time we see dead cap space going away in our near future we replace it with some new dead-cap-space-to-be contracts.

I have no certainty as to whether this contract is going to be ok or not, but it is precisely this uncertainty that fills me with dread. I have PTSD from Dorion's moves.

 

[Micklebot]

The problem is that every time we see dead cap space going away in our near future we replace it with some new dead-cap-space-to-be contracts.

I have no certainty as to whether this contract is going to be ok or not, but it is precisely this uncertainty that fills me with dread. I have PTSD from Dorion's moves.

Well, the options are take a risk like this and potentially come away with a steal, or go for a safer more proven option and pay market price, or potentially overpay.

we're swinging for the fences, but we're in a position where if we miss it isn't the end of the world, I'm ok with that strategy.

 

[Sensatauro]

I see we signed the worst goalie in the world according to this thread.

I swear some of you hooligans just like to be angry and negative 24/7. Nothing makes you happy.

This is a really good signing, despite what most seem to think around here. You'll all see soon.

In the meantime, relax guys, we got a real good team moving forward. We aren't gonna be the bottom dwellers next year. Enjoy the summer.

 

[Hale The Villain]

I see we signed the worst goalie in the world according to this thread.

I swear some of you hooligans just like to be angry and negative 24/7. Nothing makes you happy.

This is a really good signing, despite what most seem to think around here. You'll all see soon.

In the meantime, relax guys, we got a real good team moving forward. We aren't gonna be the bottom dwellers next year. Enjoy the summer.

And out come the strawman arguments.

No one said anything close to that and you know it.

People are justifiably upset that we just committed 20M over 5 years to a goalie who has not proven to be capable of stringing together consistent seasons of solid play.

Korpisalo just had an excellent season but the two years before that he couldn't stop a beach ball and regressed to that state in the playoffs for LA, which is why they decided not to sign him.

He's been one of the most inconsistent goalies in the league, even on a game-by-game basis. He is capable of stealing a game but also flat out loses you games.

If he can figure out that inconsistency he could prove to be worth this contract, but it's a tough one to swallow when he somehow got significantly more money and term than other goalies with similar or better track records.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

And out come the strawman arguments.

No one said anything close to that and you know it.

People are justifiably upset that we just committed 20M over 5 years to a goalie who has not proven to be capable of stringing together consistent seasons of solid play.

Korpisalo just had an excellent season but the two years before that he couldn't stop a beach ball and regressed to that state in the playoffs for LA, which is why they decided not to sign him.

He's been one of the most inconsistent goalies in the league, even on a game-by-game basis. He is capable of stealing a game but also flat out loses you games.

If he can figure out that inconsistency he could prove to be worth this contract, but it's a tough one to swallow when he somehow got significantly more money and term than other goalies with similar or better track records.

Nah… read through the thread… half of the usual detractors are saying that guy is not going to perform.

Evidence Confirmed with Link: - Korpisalo sign with Sens (5 years/20M)

Traded - Korpisalo (5 years/20M)

5 years lol. Dorion just knows it'll be the next GM's turn to deplete draft picks to clean up this one.

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