Traded Korpisalo (5 years/20M)

[Samsquanch]

My final take on the player is, he was the best option available to us. We aren't in a position to give up assets for a goalie like Hart/Helebuck/Swayman/Thompson (and by the sounds of it even when we did ask we were on some of their no-trade lists). That left us with the UFA options, We've known Varlamov was going back to NYI for days now, so that left us with a choice of Andersen, Jarry, or Korpisalo. Jarry was the biggest risk so he's out. So we are down to Korpi vs Andersen. Andersen is older and more injury prone, and likely on the back end of his prime, while Korpisalo is younger and has had one major injury but looked the best he ever looked coming back from said major injury. So given our universally accepted need for a goaltender, and the options available to us to be considered, Korpisalo was the best option.

As for the contract, 4 million is not the end of the world. I actually like the AAV. As for the length sure it may be a year or 2 too long, but it's not crippling by any means. The cap is expected to rise drastically in that five-year span and it's not unrealistic to believe coming on years 4 and 5, 4 million will be the going rate of a good backup. As for today, he is the 24th highest-paid goalie in the league, it's not like we are paying him elite #1 goalie money, we are paying him 1A money. My guess is we are expecting somewhere around 50 starts a year from him, so 11 more than his current career high. He will also now be behind the best defensive personnel he has ever been behind. So if the guys who get paid to know hockey and goalies believe he can come in and be that 1A option for us then those are the guys we should be trusting not random people on the internet complaining for the sake of complaining. Shitting on the player and the deal do nothing good for the team, the player, or the community of fans who want to see this team finally bring a cup home to Ottawa.

Those who are ripping on this deal would be the same people ripping on the team for not doing a damn thing to address goaltending. Is it the perfect deal? No. Is it fair to be ripping on a team for taking a chance on a guy when he was realistically our best option available to us at a position of need? No. We were all crying for a goalie, we got one who has been playing some of the best hockey of his career. Could it fail? Sure, every contract can. Could he come out and prove to be an ideal #1 guy on a playoff team? Absolutely. A bunch of keyboard warriors, some of whom have admitted to only stat watching, aren't a reliable source on the quality of a player, or a contract for that matter. Some people just like to complain for the sake of complaining around here, and it must be exhausting for them.

To add further to your point, Varlamov, Jarry and Anderson ALL resigned with their own teams. There was no real FA market. Korpisalo was basically our only option outside of a trade (for a goalie that may or may not have us on the NTC)....

This was a must do move, no two ways around it. Standing pat would have been a horrible choice.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

Obviously, that's splitting hairs. The idea is it would be handled like Dorion/Garrioch have communicated this is being handled now, work out a deal for a trade, then discuss extension with the players agent, and only then finalize the trade if a contract is agreed to.

what part of TAMPERING is so hard to understand. The Chicago GM did NOT grant permission for PD to talk to DBC or his agent, and therefore was NOT allowed to talk extension until DBC became the property of the Ottawa Senators…AFTER the trade.

this is black and white, night and day…NOT “splitting hairs”….

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

If after negotiating a trade in principal with Chicago, they say no he can't talk about the potential of an extension with Debrincat before making the trade official, that's a huge red flag. So, either you get permission from the other team, or you know something isn't on the up and up and walk away from the trade.

This isn't a new concept, teams allow aquiring teams to talk to the player all the time, heck, Dorion is currently doing it in his attempt to trade DeBrincat right now, the idea that it would be tampering only works if you assume Chicago refuses to allow it, and then the question becomes why would they do that, and why would we still go through with the trade.

There has never been any mention that Chicago gave permission to any GM to talk to DBC, while he was still a Chicago Blackhawk….. this question has been discussed in this and other threads for months now, and not one single person has posted a link to even suggest PD was allowed, by Chicago, to talk contract extension with DBCS at any time before he became an Ottawa Senator.


It is the exception, NOT the standard, that a GM grants permission for another GM, during trade talks, to communicate with a player on their team…. So stop pretending that this is standard operating procedure , it is not and we all know that.

 

[Speatleysson]

Those who are ripping on this deal would be the same people ripping on the team for not doing a damn thing to address goaltending.

Exactly.. had we started the season with Forsberg and Sogaard, and had we started 2-8-2 or something like that, people would be exploding on PD for not addressing the goaltending.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

Jarry…..…..5.375 AAV X 5yrs
Sorokin….….8.25 AAV X 8yrs
Korpisalo……..4.0 AAV X 5yrs

 

[BondraTime]

AAV is respectable. Term is nutty.

 

[KingAlfie11]

This signing is a definite risk, and posters aren't being haters by expressing concern about it.

They are being haters by always mocking and being condescending with Dorion it's the name calling . I have no problem with fans expressing their concerns and their displeasure with trades and signings but the mocking of Dorion's character and appearance is what I have a problem with.

 

[Big Muddy]

There has never been any mention that Chicago gave permission to any GM to talk to DBC, while he was still a Chicago Blackhawk…..

So, I guess if you're saying a GM could grant permission for the GM that's interested in the player, this could be done then. It seems different from what you were saying before i.e, it was not permitted at all.

There has never been any mention that Chicago gave permission to any GM to talk to DBC, while he was still a Chicago Blackhawk….. this question has been discussed in this and other threads for months now, and not one single person has posted a link to even suggest PD was allowed, by Chicago, to talk contract extension with DBCS at any time before he became an Ottawa Senator.


It is the exception, NOT the standard, that a GM grants permission for another GM, during trade talks, to communicate with a player on their team…. So stop pretending that this is standard operating procedure , it is not and we all know that.

Not all info surrounding trades is released for public consumption. Pierre could always ask and then make a decision based on the response he gets. All folks are doing are assuming and making conjectures regardless of what side of this debate they are supposedly taking.

 

[Icelevel]

Jarry…..…..5.375 AAV X 5yrs
Sorokin….….8.25 AAV X 8yrs
Korpisalo……..4.0 AAV X 5yrs

Three crazy deals. Yes they are all alike. All crazy. What’s the point?

 

[Loach]

There has never been any mention that Chicago gave permission to any GM to talk to DBC, while he was still a Chicago Blackhawk….. this question has been discussed in this and other threads for months now, and not one single person has posted a link to even suggest PD was allowed, by Chicago, to talk contract extension with DBCS at any time before he became an Ottawa Senator.


It is the exception, NOT the standard, that a GM grants permission for another GM, during trade talks, to communicate with a player on their team…. So stop pretending that this is standard operating procedure , it is not and we all know that.

I looked and couldn't find anything. Couldn't find Chi saying PD couldn't talk or Chi saying he could. If you found something that says Chi said no talks I'd like to read it.

 

[UglyPuckling]

11+26=37

I took the stats from ESPN. 35 was the number of regular season Games Started in 2019-20. Not sure what your point is, but if you have issues, reach out to ESPN.

Joonas Korpisalo Career Stats - NHL - ESPN

Complete career stats for the Boston Bruins Goaltender Joonas Korpisalo on ESPN. Includes goals, assists and points per NHL season.

www.espn.com

 

[Micklebot]

I took the stats from ESPN. Not sure what your point is, but if you have issues, reach out to ESPN.

You have the wrong year for most games started, he split this year between Columbus (26 starts) and LA (11 starts) for a total of 37 starts. 35 would have been the 2019-20 season exclusively with Clb.

 

[UglyPuckling]

Three crazy deals. Yes they are all alike. All crazy. What’s the point?

Maybe the point is Sorokin is a very good goalie?

You have the wrong year for most games started, he split this year between Columbus (26 starts) and LA (11 starts) for a total of 37 starts. 35 would have been the 2019-20 season exclusively with Clb.

I didn't specify the year in the original post that I made. I did however add that point to Post #511. I used regular season starts.

What seems to have gotten lost in this is that Jarry has started more games in the regular season and will be expected to be the starter in Pittsburgh in the future.

Is Korpisala the starter and Forsberg the backup now? What are folks thinking the split of games will be between the 2 goaltenders?

 

[Crosside]

I know this is highlight save, but tough not to fall in love. So athletic and not give up in one puck. Remember me Bobrovski in his prime

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Korps by all accounts has the tools to be a good goalie. He is a risk on the 5 year deal. His problem has been consistency. If he finds that we should be ok, if not .. ?

 

[bert]

what part of TAMPERING is so hard to understand. The Chicago GM did NOT grant permission for PD to talk to DBC or his agent, and therefore was NOT allowed to talk extension until DBC became the property of the Ottawa Senators…AFTER the trade.

this is black and white, night and day…NOT “splitting hairs”….

Well it happens all the time. If you don't know don't make the deal. Why is that so hard to understand?

 

[Flamingo]

I know this is highlight save, but tough not to fall in love. So athletic and not give up in one puck. Remember me Bobrovski in his prime

I’m really impressed with how he keeps his balance while extending laterally, and can recover to a butterfly or ready stance quickly. He doesn’t end up on his belly or butt very often. Well, at least in these highlights.

 

[JD1]

I looked and couldn't find anything. Couldn't find Chi saying PD couldn't talk or Chi saying he could. If you found something that says Chi said no talks I'd like to read it.

Idk maybe it's just me but I think it is fairly safe to assume that given Dorion didn't speak to the DeBrincat camp during the trade process he couldn't because he wasn't allowed

It would be asinine to be allowed to speak to his camp but choose not to do so

 

[GermanSpitfire]

It could go wrong but I like this deal.

 

[coladin]

My final take on the player is, he was the best option available to us. We aren't in a position to give up assets for a goalie like Hart/Helebuck/Swayman/Thompson (and by the sounds of it even when we did ask we were on some of their no-trade lists). That left us with the UFA options, We've known Varlamov was going back to NYI for days now, so that left us with a choice of Andersen, Jarry, or Korpisalo. Jarry was the biggest risk so he's out. So we are down to Korpi vs Andersen. Andersen is older and more injury prone, and likely on the back end of his prime, while Korpisalo is younger and has had one major injury but looked the best he ever looked coming back from said major injury. So given our universally accepted need for a goaltender, and the options available to us to be considered, Korpisalo was the best option.

As for the contract, 4 million is not the end of the world. I actually like the AAV. As for the length sure it may be a year or 2 too long, but it's not crippling by any means. The cap is expected to rise drastically in that five-year span and it's not unrealistic to believe coming on years 4 and 5, 4 million will be the going rate of a good backup. As for today, he is the 24th highest-paid goalie in the league, it's not like we are paying him elite #1 goalie money, we are paying him 1A money. My guess is we are expecting somewhere around 50 starts a year from him, so 11 more than his current career high. He will also now be behind the best defensive personnel he has ever been behind. So if the guys who get paid to know hockey and goalies believe he can come in and be that 1A option for us then those are the guys we should be trusting not random people on the internet complaining for the sake of complaining. Shitting on the player and the deal do nothing good for the team, the player, or the community of fans who want to see this team finally bring a cup home to Ottawa.

Those who are ripping on this deal would be the same people ripping on the team for not doing a damn thing to address goaltending. Is it the perfect deal? No. Is it fair to be ripping on a team for taking a chance on a guy when he was realistically our best option available to us at a position of need? No. We were all crying for a goalie, we got one who has been playing some of the best hockey of his career. Could it fail? Sure, every contract can. Could he come out and prove to be an ideal #1 guy on a playoff team? Absolutely. A bunch of keyboard warriors, some of whom have admitted to only stat watching, aren't a reliable source on the quality of a player, or a contract for that matter. Some people just like to complain for the sake of complaining around here, and it must be exhausting for them.

Very well said. The vitriol was embarrassing

 

[Adrianopolous]

I liked his performance in the Oilers series

 

[Filatov2Kovalev2Bonk]

What edguy said, Korpy's gonna be fine and if one of our other two goalers hold up we'll easily maintain playoff pace. This isn't a bad deal and Andlauer can just buy it out by dipping into his tip jar.
The big issue is if the Sens miss the playoffs and there's a change at GM/Coaching this handcuffs the next guy pretty badly.

 

[The Expert]

I took the stats from ESPN. 35 was the number of regular season Games Started in 2019-20. Not sure what your point is, but if you have issues, reach out to ESPN.

Joonas Korpisalo Career Stats - NHL - ESPN

Complete career stats for the Boston Bruins Goaltender Joonas Korpisalo on ESPN. Includes goals, assists and points per NHL season.

www.espn.com

My point is he started 37 games last year, you said the most games he started in a season was 35. You apparently didn't look at last season which makes sense. The issue is not with ESPN however.

 

[UglyPuckling]

Maybe the point is Sorokin is a very good goalie?


I didn't specify the year in the original post that I made. I did however add that point to Post #511. I used regular season starts.

What seems to have gotten lost in this is that Jarry has started more games in the regular season and will be expected to be the starter in Pittsburgh in the future.

Is Korpisala the starter and Forsberg the backup now? What are folks thinking the split of games will be between the 2 goaltenders?

My point is he started 37 games last year, you said the most games he started in a season was 35. You apparently didn't look at last season which makes sense. The issue is not with ESPN however.

I used regular season starts for all the years played for both players which I explained above in post # 513 (which you replied to with your recent post).

There is a reason for that. If you use Games Started for a comparison and one goalie has more playoff appearances than the other, it makes for a less useful comparison. The words regular season starts wasn't mentioned in the very first post I made on this subject, so I can see where the confusion was created.

Edit/Update - I missed the row above the bottom row for the LAK regular season stats. My bad. This is my official apology. The point I was trying to make is that Jarry has been carrying the load for the Penguins as a starter whereas Korpisalo has been used more in backup role for several of his career years. I felt that the difference in contract values could be based on that. Oh well.

 

[Korpse]

We could have had TWO Daniel Sprongs’!