Confirmed Trade: [MIN/CBJ] David Jiricek, 2025 5th round pick for Daemon Hunt, 2025 1st round pick, 2027 2nd round pick, 2026 3rd and 4th round picks

[Dr Jan Itor]

If Jiricek sucks, then giving up anything is a bad deal.

If he doesn't, then it sounds like maybe haggling over a 2nd rounder too much (a 1st rounder of some kind was all but guaranteed).

 

[Pablo El Perro]

not for a recent 6th overall pick.

I'm guessing there were bigger issues with that 6th overall.

 

[MuckOG]

Can't say that I've watched alot his play, but giving up this early on a young RD seems strange considering it generally takes considerably longer than 2 years for them to develop.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

Don’t blame current Columbus management. The kids probably a bust and they know it. He was an inherited player.

I also wouldn't blame the former management on the pick. I don't recall anyone panning it at the time or even the following season.

 

[roon]

He may not be known for it yet, but his track record says he should be, and maybe the year he is having in Columbus finally gets him the recognition for the great job he does with young players. There's a long list of players in their early 20s that were were/are productive under Dean. I like how you say I don't know what I'm talking about when I described what I'm talking about. Since you don't address my reasoning, it's best for us to move on.

Russo yesterday posted that Bracket thinks Jiricek would go to-10 in a re-draft. It's a delusional take, but it aligns with why they were willing to give up what they did. Maybe the simple reason why it doesn't make sense is because management doesn't have it.

I didn't say you don't know what you're talking about - I asked what you're talking about. How does trading assets we don't really need to take a small gamble on a big RHD with a nice resume not make sense?

Judd Bracket has a delusional take - but some dude on the internet knows what hes talking about?

k

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

It is VERY likely Columbus regrets this.

 

[Breakers]

The pick return is decent

I’m sure CBJ was waiting for a Griffin Reinhart type of offer but couldn’t wait

 

[Turin]

It is VERY likely Columbus regrets this.

Even Jiricek turns into a good, not great player I don't think Columbus regrets this. They got like a whole draft class of picks. Only way they regret it is if he turns into a star, which is still possible of course.

 

[ThatGuy22]

I didn't say you don't know what you're talking about - I asked what you're talking about. How does trading assets we don't really need to take a small gamble on a big RHD with a nice resume not make sense?

Judd Bracket has a delusional take - but some dude on the internet knows what hes talking about?

k

I can only assume this is in response to SoH

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Even Jiricek turns into a good, not great player I don't think Columbus regrets this. They got like a whole draft class of picks. Only way they regret it is if he turns into a star, which is still possible of course.

Or if they don't hit on those picks.

draft picks are great but you actually have to do something with them.

 

[Fro]

Or if they don't hit on those picks.

draft picks are great but you actually have to do something with them.

Or using in a trade for an upgrade...thats how CBJ win this

 

[MuckOG]

Or using in a trade for an upgrade...thats how CBJ win this

Like what the Wild just did? 2 of the picks that went to CBJ were originally from teams other than the Wild

 

[smitty10]

Jiricek is going to be a stud. This is a huge win for Minny.

 

[Fro]

Like what the Wild just did? 2 of the picks that went to CBJ were originally from teams other than the Wild

I am (was?) A huge fan of Jiri...thought he would be a 1 RD for CBJ, he needed and was asked to gain muscle and strength...he did not for 2 years...if Minny can get him to buy in to it, great on them...

 

[Marlowe Syn]

I am (was?) A huge fan of Jiri...thought he would be a 1 RD for CBJ, he needed and was asked to gain muscle and strength...he did not for 2 years...if Minny can get him to buy in to it, great on them...

I heard a similar lack of progression on his skating as well. I was hoping Wild skating coach Andy Ness would work some magic on him. It may not matter if the player isn't committed to it. Although Guerin convinced Gustavsson to come into camp in shape. Gus did, and is reaping the rewards.

The Wild are a tight knit team, and it's showing on the ice. This might be the change of scenery he needs. For whatever reason it seemed like he was checked out of Columbus long before this trade.

 

[Fro]

I heard a similar lack of progression on his skating as well. I was hoping Wild skating coach Andy Ness would work some magic on him. It may not matter if the player isn't committed to it. Although Guerin convinced Gustavsson to come into camp in shape. Gus did, and is reaping the rewards.

The Wild are a tight knit team, and it's showing on the ice. This might be the change of scenery he needs. For whatever reason it seemed like he was checked out of Columbus long before this trade.

My thought was that there was a clear path to 1RD in Columbus..only hurdle was/is Severson...if that wasn't motivation, not sure what is

 

[Indy18]

My thought was that there was a clear path to 1RD in Columbus..only hurdle was/is Severson...if that wasn't motivation, not sure what is

We gave him every opportunity to succeed this year. He was put on the team from camp spite not really earning it. Mateychuk really deserved that spot but was sent down to the AHL instead to let him cook. I argue he wasn't even the 9th best Dman out of camp it was that rough.

 

[BleedBlue14]

They are operating right now with a 15M cap penalty...they'll be fine. Those penalties expire next year. Kaprizov will take a big bite out of the cap, but otherwise, all of their important players are signed. Some young ELC's like Buium, Ohgren, Wallstedt,and maybe Yurov should help bring some quality depth.

I didn’t mean in the next couple of years. Surely the bridges will be utilized if needed. Meant moreso going forward after that. I guess you operate under the assumption of paying who is most worthy anyways and it’ll shake itself out.

I’d venture to guess it will workout fine. And the rising cap will certainly help relieve that. I think a lot of it falls on where Kaprisov signs at cap wise. I’d venture to guess he’ll be upwards of 11m.

Boldy and Faber signing when they did definitely helps.

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

I didn’t mean in the next couple of years. Surely the bridges will be utilized if needed. Meant moreso going forward after that. I guess you operate under the assumption of paying who is most worthy anyways and it’ll shake itself out.

I’d venture to guess it will workout fine. And the rising cap will certainly help relieve that. I think a lot of it falls on where Kaprisov signs at cap wise. I’d venture to guess he’ll be upwards of 11m.

Boldy and Faber signing when they did definitely helps.

If Kaprizov signs for under 15 I’m doing cartwheels.

 

[SoundAndFury]

It is VERY likely Columbus regrets this.

This is such an unfounded statement.

Columbus got an excellent haul for a prospect with obvious issues. It is the kind of haul that is paid for an elite prospect so the only way Columbus regrets this is if 1) Jiricek becomes a legitimate star-level #1 defenseman; 2) Hunt doesn't pan out into anything at all; 3) they believe he could have become that star in Columbus organization (which the trade showed they do not believe anymore). If one of those 3 conditions isn't fulfilled, Columbus is absolutely fine with what they did.

And the time frame is so narrow on these things. When red flags appear (like they have with Jiricek) prospects value sinks rapidly. Look at Holtz's situation, 3 seasons after his draft nobody was willing to offer anything of value for him and eventually, he was traded for scraps. Jackets seized the perfect opportunity to get pretty much ALL the value you can reasonably expect back.

And the examples are ample. Holtz is one, Turcotte is another. Zadina. People always expect prospects to turn into something a draft guide told them they would 2-3 years ago but don't realize that if the player isn't progressing at an acceptable rate they are left with nothing once the hype wears off. Yes, there are miracle cases like Nichushkin but sitting and waiting for that miracle to happen is a much bigger risk than getting 5 asset return.

 

[Scoresberg]

Great deal for Minny. The chances of any one of those pieces they sent back turning into a Jiricek-level talent are incredibly slim.

 

[SoundAndFury]

Great deal for Minny. The chances of any one of those pieces they sent back turning into a Jiricek-level talent are incredibly slim.

The real question is what are the chances of Jiricek becoming a Jiricek-level talent.

Because the actual level of David Jiricek is that of a 21-year-old prospect who has repeatedly failed to improve on his weaknesses to the point where playing him in the NHL became not an option for one of the development-friendlier teams in the league.

And the funny thing is, we have seen this so many times. Imagine if the Rangers managed to trade Kravtsov for a similar haul rather than playing the "well this year he is going to come in and REALLY show something" game. And there were all those reasons and stats and numbers and videos why Kravtsov is truly an exceptional talent and all that.

 

[Scoresberg]

The real question is what are the chances of Jiricek becoming a Jiricek-level talent.

Because the actual level of David Jiricek is that of a 21-year-old prospect who has repeatedly failed to improve on his weaknesses to the point where playing him in the NHL became not an option for one of the development-friendlier teams in the league.

And the funny thing is, we have seen this so many times. Imagine if the Rangers managed to trade Kravtsov for a similar haul rather than playing the "well this year he is going to come in and REALLY show something" game.

He's a 2022 pick.. think he'll be fine.

 

[SoundAndFury]

He's a 2022 pick.. think he'll be fine.

Is Turcotte fine? Is Holtz fine? Is Kravtsov fine, etc.? Jiricek was always good to great at the AHL level and always not good enough to play in the NHL. This is the 3rd season for him in this limbo. When the casual fandom starts considering the fact that maybe he isn't going to be fine?

Furthermore, as my earlier examples show, by the time casual fandom starts considering it there isn't a single NHL team willing to give up anything of value for the "talent level" of those prospects.

 

[Scoresberg]

Is Turcotte fine? Is Holtz fine? Is Kravtsov fine, etc.? Jiricek was always good to great at the AHL level and always not good enough to play in the NHL. This is the 3rd season for him in this limbo. When the casual fandom starts considering the fact that maybe he isn't going to be fine?

Furthermore, as my earlier examples show, by the time casual fandom starts considering it there isn't a single NHL team willing to give up anything of value for the "talent level" of those prospects.

Obviously some players bust. Jiricek could as well.

But what I'm saying is that the package Minnesota gave up isn't a big loss at the end of the day. Hunt might turn into something, but the chances are pretty low. The picks are whatever, they are massively over-rated in the league anyways, and even the 1st is going to be a low one in a weak draft.

All-in-all, Jiricek is quite clearly the most valuable piece in that trade and has the highest potential. The return is quantity over quality which to me doesn't seem like a good one for the 6th OA pick from 2 years ago.