Traded Korpisalo (5 years/20M)

[UglyPuckling]

Nobody mentioning how Jarry got alot more than Korpisalo, gor the same term?

Jarry was worse than Korpisalo last year and has fewer NHL career games played.

I think it was discussed a few pages back (#14 & 15).

Jarry
Started 198
Games Played 206
3 seasons of 38, 56, & 47 games started

Korpisalo
Started 201
Games Played 221
Best season Games Started 35

Initially I wasn't overly thrilled with this signing but after reading 18 pages of comments I've realized that not one poster has proposed anything better that would meet with the approval of the posters here. Can you imagine the crying that would be taking place if we'd done nothing?

I think this was mentioned in several posts. Not going to your research for you though.

 

[ToasterStutzle]

Here to remind everyone we should be thankful the korpi contract isn’t the Jarry contract.

Needed goaltending unanimously agreed on. We got one, but they aren’t free. Only goalie deal that were sweetheart deals were tendies returning to the same team (varly, andy, raanta). Why can’t we be happy for once?

 

[DJB]

This article is effing hilarious. Twice Dorion mentions liking the term (because he knows Sens fans are in an uproar about it) and then later on he throws our two goalie coaches under the bus basically saying they are the ones that highly recommend him. (So if it doesn’t work out Pierre can blame someone )

I never seen such an insecure person in hockey operations.

 

[Icelevel]

This article is effing hilarious. Twice Dorion mentions liking the term (because he knows Sens fans are in an uproar about it) and then later on he throws our two goalie coaches under the bus basically saying they are the ones that highly recommend him. (So if it doesn’t work out Pierre can blame someone )

I never seen such an insecure person in hockey operations.

It’s embarrassing. He has to go asap.
And I’m glad that’s finally going to happen.

 

[Micklebot]

This article is effing hilarious. Twice Dorion mentions liking the term (because he knows Sens fans are in an uproar about it) and then later on he throws our two goalie coaches under the bus basically saying they are the ones that highly recommend him. (So if it doesn’t work out Pierre can blame someone )

I never seen such an insecure person in hockey operations.

I mean, the term is ideal for a starting goalie of that age. The issue is whether or not Korpisalo will be a legit starting goalie or not.

I'm not a big fan of Korpisalo, but I probably would have said the same thing about Anderson when we acquired him from the Avs, (and I know I said something similar about Kiprisoff when Cgy acquired him from SJ years ago) so what the heck do I know.

I'm disappointed with the signing, I'd have gone a different direction, but honestly, I find goalies the toughest position to judge.

 

[ColinM]

Yeah by the sounds of it they will tandem the two, so 40 games a piece give or take some streaks and injuries perhaps?

Might be the way to go to have two good tenders making the same as one star guy who has to play more.

As for term, I’m not going to fret over it, it’s the Ottawa tax as far as I’m concerned, everyone seems to need the extra perks.

It reminds me of the Rhodes / Tugnutt comparison circa 1997/98. Neither was a starter in their own right but either one were useful for 30 to 35 game each.

 

[KingAlfie11]

It’s embarrassing. He has to go asap.
And I’m glad that’s finally going to happen.

Are you sure about that?

 

[Icelevel]

Doesn’t fit the anti PD narrative….

Wait so because there was a worse signing then we should all rejoice and praise the clown?

So we shouldn’t post about our displeasure with the mark stone trade because someone out there made an even worse trade?

Sorry, but anyone who thinks this guy is good at his job just doesn’t know what it takes to win in this league. It’s definitely not him.

 

[KingAlfie11]

This article is effing hilarious. Twice Dorion mentions liking the term (because he knows Sens fans are in an uproar about it) and then later on he throws our two goalie coaches under the bus basically saying they are the ones that highly recommend him. (So if it doesn’t work out Pierre can blame someone )

I never seen such an insecure person in hockey operations.

What the heck are you talking about dude? He never threw our two goalie coaches under the bus, that you're interpretation, he only said that he consulted them on their evaluation of Korpi. which any good gm would do. So good try on twisting and taking everything Dorion said out of context to fit your narrative

 

[ACLEVERNAME]

This article is effing hilarious. Twice Dorion mentions liking the term (because he knows Sens fans are in an uproar about it) and then later on he throws our two goalie coaches under the bus basically saying they are the ones that highly recommend him. (So if it doesn’t work out Pierre can blame someone )

I never seen such an insecure person in hockey operations.

He's waiting for you at one of the local rinks if you want to throw down

 

[Icelevel]

Another concern aside from the body health is he doesn’t get many starts per season. An average of 28. Most was 37 in 19-20

 

[KingAlfie11]

Wait so because there was a worse signing then we should all rejoice and praise the clown?

So we shouldn’t post about our displeasure with the mark stone trade because someone out there made an even worse trade?

Sorry, but anyone who thinks this guy is good at his job just doesn’t know what it takes to win in this league. It’s definitely not him.

And I presume you know what it takes to win in the NHL? What makes you an expect? Every one in the hockey world agrees that Dorion has done a good job assembling a good young talented team. Anyone who thinks Dorion hasn't done a good job rebuilding the Sens doesn't know what their talking about.

 

[aragorn]

Brian Burke was saying some of the same things I did about Korpisalo's contract being too long & too expensive if he was a backup or a 1b versus a starter. So, I think I was doing that and would agree with getting some info from someone with experience in the industry.

Like I said, if JK plays well as a starter even if its 45+ games started for multiple years, then I'm OK with the contract.

I guess I do wonder what the thinking is on Sogaard and Merilainen though given the term of the JK contract.

hey are still quite young & have lots of yrs left, goalies tend to get better later in their hockey careers & seem to last longer too. We'll see.

 

[SenatorsLegionary]

Commenting that a goaltender prospect is NHL ready, is what all GMs are going say….but we all know very few goaltenders start off in the NHL at such a young age, and stick long term…. The vast majority require years of development in the AHL, and MS has youth on his side, and two full seasons in the AHL will work well in the long run, for both MS and the organization….. can’t understand why people want to rush young players into the NHL before they’re ready.

I actually agree with you on this point and I'm not advocating for Soogard to be a full-time NHLer next year. My point was more questioning/trying to sense of what the long-term plan is in goal.

Dorion's comments that I was referencing in my post signal to me that he sees Soogard as the goalie of the future for this team. I think that ideally, a reasonable timeline to project Soogard into the NHL would be in 3 years from now, the year after Forsberg's contract expires. That's why a 2 or 3 year term would have made sense on Korpisalo, it bridges the next few years to give MS some extra developmental years and allows the team to ease him into the NHL in a tandem once he is ready. The 5 year term causes me to question what our plan is once MS is ready, and it's going to be a tough contract to get out of if it backfires.

I guess the best case scenario would be that Korpisalo maintains or improves his play from last season and we will roll with a 1A/1B tandem in years 3-5 if Soogard is ready by then. I just don't know how likely that is to happen, which is why I would have preferred a 2-3 year term instead of the 5 years.

 

[Icelevel]

And I presume you know what it takes to win in the NHL? What makes you an expect? Every one in the hockey world agrees that Dorion has done a good job assembling a good young talented team. Anyone who thinks Dorion hasn't done a good job rebuilding the Sens doesn't know what their talking about.

The team should be far ahead from where it is. He keeps screwing up, holding the progress back.

 

[Crosside]

MS gonna replace Forsberg in two years

 

[Micklebot]

Another concern aside from the body health is he doesn’t get many starts per season. An average of 28. Most was 37 in 19-20

He played 39 this year, plus 6 in the playoffs.

 

[Icelevel]

He played 39 this year, plus 6 in the playoffs.

My mistake. Still a concern/big risk.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

Well, when Dorion doesn't even ask Debrincat about an extension, I guess people are bound to wonder what he does versus what he doesn't do. By the appearances, it looks like he gets locked on to a specific target. He did this with Duchene as well. And, then there's the Murray situation. But, at any rate, people are making a lot of assumptions regardless of which side of the argument they are on.

For the hundredth time, PD was not allowed to communicate with DBC, about an extension …. It would have been Tampering if he did, as DBC was under contract with Chicago.

 

[UglyPuckling]

hey are still quite young & have lots of yrs left, goalies tend to get better later in their hockey careers & seem to last longer too. We'll see.

Yes, having one step in 2 years would be helpful. That's when Forsberg's contract expires. And, spend less and use the saved money elsewhere.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

For the hundredth time, PD was not allowed to communicate with DBC, about an extension …. It would have been Tampering if he did, as DBC was under contract with Chicago.

Obviously, that's splitting hairs. The idea is it would be handled like Dorion/Garrioch have communicated this is being handled now, work out a deal for a trade, then discuss extension with the players agent, and only then finalize the trade if a contract is agreed to.

 

[ACLEVERNAME]

Goalies are a complete and utter crapshoot. No one had Anderson pegged as the future 'best goaltender in franchise history' when we swapped him for Elliott. Only time will tell.

I do like the connection with Forsberg tho. If they've got a ready-made personal and professional relationship and can take off right from start it may go a long way in catching that coveted "hot start" we're looking for.

All in all I like it

 

[Micklebot]

For the hundredth time, PD was not allowed to communicate with DBC, about an extension …. It would have been Tampering if he did, as DBC was under contract with Chicago.

If after negotiating a trade in principal with Chicago, they say no he can't talk about the potential of an extension with Debrincat before making the trade official, that's a huge red flag. So, either you get permission from the other team, or you know something isn't on the up and up and walk away from the trade.

This isn't a new concept, teams allow aquiring teams to talk to the player all the time, heck, Dorion is currently doing it in his attempt to trade DeBrincat right now, the idea that it would be tampering only works if you assume Chicago refuses to allow it, and then the question becomes why would they do that, and why would we still go through with the trade.

 

[majormajor]

I'm excited to see how Korpi and Forsberg work as a tandem. Don't love the term, but 4m aav is not bad. Welcome Joonis!

Goalies are a complete and utter crapshoot. No one had Anderson pegged as the future 'best goaltender in franchise history' when we swapped him for Elliott. Only time will tell.

I do like the connection with Forsberg tho. If they've got a ready-made personal and professional relationship and can take off right from start it may go a long way in catching that coveted "hot start" we're looking for.

All in all I like it

Sounds like you've already covered this, those two as a tandem won the 2016 Calder Cup. I believe it was Korpisalo for the first couple rounds and Forsberg for the last two.

 

[Samsquanch]

If after negotiating a trade in principal with Chicago, they say no he can't talk about the potential of an extension with Debrincat before making the trade official, that's a huge red flag. So, either you get permission from the other team, or you know something isn't on the up and up and walk away from the trade.

This isn't a new concept, teams allow aquiring teams to talk to the player all the time, heck, Dorion is currently doing it in his attempt to trade DeBrincat right now, the idea that it would be tampering only works if you assume Chicago refuses to allow it, and then the question becomes why would they do that, and why would we still go through with the trade.

It's also not an unheard of concept that players under contract get traded prior to them being informed of the trade happening.... the amount of control players have today is a bit alarming...

This is a huge shock to most of these guys the first time they get traded. If they love where they are, then they don't want to talk about signing long term somewhere else they havent even been yet (especially Ottawa FFS - come on ppl). Give them a chance to digest the gravity of the whole situation first, and what the impact will be on their life and family.

Many times, teams are hoping to convince a high profile player that their interest in them + the experience/culture when they get there is enough to convince them to sign their long term contracts there, after a test run.

Sometimes it works out like it did with Bobby Ryan signing with the Sens after being traded for.

Or sometimes like with Kwaih on the Raptors, no matter what you do, it's not enough to change their mind. Even wining a championship.

But let's not pretend like Dorion failed by not ensuring an extension was already in the works with Debrincat.... this is Ottawa guys. Should I continue?