Traded Korpisalo (5 years/20M)
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I think he's suggesting we missed out on hiring Kyle Dubas. He paid more money, something about inflation and the cap going up. You know.
BonHoonLayneCornell
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There's an argument for it and it's a choice he made. As a GM you're sticking your neck out for however you choose to proceed and if it doesn't work out, the criticism rightfully comes for you, just as the praise should if the decisions you made lead to success.
I don't see anything wrong with saying this didn't work out, so in hindsight, it appears to have been a poor choice to acquire him without trying to work out a deal first. We all know this strategy may be necessary in Ottawa, but just as much, we don't have money and clout to throw around, so being more conservative in your decisions and with your assets could be argued as a better choice just as easily.
Ultimately, it won't matter if he builds a winning hockey team, but if they can't and we're say floundering 2 years from now, I don't know how you couldn't look back at things like this and wonder if things would have been different with some other decisions.
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Well…I’ll say I’d rather Korpusalo at $20M over 5 years vs whatever Jarry got…that’s not saying much but it’s something.
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Slides to 3.5 and 3 mil in the final two years, which is interesting
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BonHoonLayneCornell
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Lets just hope he doesn't Jack Campbell us.
I was curious just now about any parallels to Joonas and Campbell's numbers have been pretty solid throughout his career, better than I thought, but for whatever reason as soon as he put on that Oilers jersey you could see as plain as day he wasn't gonna be the guy.
DylanSensFan
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Let them develop. That's the thinking. I've noticed that goalies can take time, unless they're Carey Price.
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I'm curious, why is that good?
Teams only seem to care about cap hit.
Other than us under Melnyk of course.
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One season doesn't make a career. Campbell is a better tender than Skinner. Campbell just faced a lot of crap last season, including a lot of injuries. He could turn it around this season and show the potential he had before signing with the Oilers. A lot of the time it's about being healthy in this league.
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Not a fan of the term and it seems like Dorion hasn’t learned anything at all, but Korpi seems like a gamer when it comes to the playoffs. This could be a boon if the Sens make the playoffs. I’ll gladly eat crow if he turns out to be a good player for us. I just want the Sens to win.
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It doesn't, and I think he'll be fine in a platoon situation, much better than last year, but your opinion of Campbell going forward is higher than mine. I don't like either of their goalie options with where the rest of the team is at. I really like their roster now, it's the best its been with McDavid, but goaltending will be Edmonton's problem in the playoffs again next year if they just run it back, imo.
But goaltending is not an easy problem to solve, obviously, and once you're financially tied to 1 or 2 that underperform, your back is against the wall. Skinner being young may still have room to grow, but they can't do much else.
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Korpi had an excellent year, and he’s entering his prime
I know it’s a signing that has some risk but let’s not let the former goaltending blunders cloud this one.
We got two solid goalies and a two really good goalie prospects. We’re in a good spot, not great or elite, but we good
I know it’s a signing that has some risk but let’s not let the former goaltending blunders cloud this one.
We got two solid goalies and a two really good goalie prospects. We’re in a good spot, not great or elite, but we good
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Oh, I don't think that's true. Much easier to sell a move to an owner when there's a 1.5 million real dollar savings in the real money.
Also, it makes it a ton easier to trade if need be - say to a low budget team that wants the cap him, not the dollars - aka rebuilders.
How would Dorion be able to assess his own (in)competence at evaluating goalies?
Dunning–Kruger effect - Wikipedia
BonHoonLayneCornell
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Fair enough, just don't hear it talked about much as a factor for other teams. Us and Arizona are the only 2 that come to mind.
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Some negative post here.
Fair and I might regret this later, but I don't see this as a bad deal.
FTR, no one is safe from buyouts anymore. Also, as the cap climbs, this won't hurt so bad.
I just hope he makes the first save and we're not down 4-1 after the first.
Fair and I might regret this later, but I don't see this as a bad deal.
FTR, no one is safe from buyouts anymore. Also, as the cap climbs, this won't hurt so bad.
I just hope he makes the first save and we're not down 4-1 after the first.
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I think the problem is more with how the league is changing. In the 1990s, if you had an elite goalie, you'd pay him the moon and he'd drag your mediocre team through a good three rounds of the playoffs on a pretty consistent basis. Over the past decade, since the game has opened up and composite sticks are standard (and goalie equipment is smaller), goalies generally don't have that kind of impact anymore. Sure, a guy can get hot for a few games or a round or two, but they don't slam the door shut like the dead puck era netminders.
As a result, you have a good 40-50 goalies in the league now that are pretty interchangeable. Add in the massive increase in serious injuries (they do have to flop around a lot more now with so many better shooters), and it becomes extremely risky to put a lot of money into your goaltending duo.
That hip surgery, and Forsberg having both knees done could be a massive problem for us in the next few years.
This signing is a definite risk, and posters aren't being haters by expressing concern about it.
As a result, you have a good 40-50 goalies in the league now that are pretty interchangeable. Add in the massive increase in serious injuries (they do have to flop around a lot more now with so many better shooters), and it becomes extremely risky to put a lot of money into your goaltending duo.
That hip surgery, and Forsberg having both knees done could be a massive problem for us in the next few years.
This signing is a definite risk, and posters aren't being haters by expressing concern about it.
DylanSensFan
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The Oilers tending is their weak point. You won't get any arguments from me there.
The thinking with this signing probably is that with Korpisalo's knees and Forsberg's hips we can put together a good frankengoalie.
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Samsquanch
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Agree with this.
But with that being said, it seems like a lot of goalies hit their prime around his current age. And because goalies performances are so hard to predict going forward, it really turns into a "what have you done for me lately" kind of position.
And the good news is that Korpisalo at least has done very very well as of late. He looks to be at the peak of his game, healthy, and we aren't hoping for a former stud to regain his lost form.
Still a risk for sure. But he was as good a bet as any of the available goalies to have a good season next year. And who the hell knows whats gonna happen beyond next season? It's anyone's best guess with goalies, as you said.
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My final take on the player is, he was the best option available to us. We aren't in a position to give up assets for a goalie like Hart/Helebuck/Swayman/Thompson (and by the sounds of it even when we did ask we were on some of their no-trade lists). That left us with the UFA options, We've known Varlamov was going back to NYI for days now, so that left us with a choice of Andersen, Jarry, or Korpisalo. Jarry was the biggest risk so he's out. So we are down to Korpi vs Andersen. Andersen is older and more injury prone, and likely on the back end of his prime, while Korpisalo is younger and has had one major injury but looked the best he ever looked coming back from said major injury. So given our universally accepted need for a goaltender, and the options available to us to be considered, Korpisalo was the best option.
As for the contract, 4 million is not the end of the world. I actually like the AAV. As for the length sure it may be a year or 2 too long, but it's not crippling by any means. The cap is expected to rise drastically in that five-year span and it's not unrealistic to believe coming on years 4 and 5, 4 million will be the going rate of a good backup. As for today, he is the 24th highest-paid goalie in the league, it's not like we are paying him elite #1 goalie money, we are paying him 1A money. My guess is we are expecting somewhere around 50 starts a year from him, so 11 more than his current career high. He will also now be behind the best defensive personnel he has ever been behind. So if the guys who get paid to know hockey and goalies believe he can come in and be that 1A option for us then those are the guys we should be trusting not random people on the internet complaining for the sake of complaining. Shitting on the player and the deal do nothing good for the team, the player, or the community of fans who want to see this team finally bring a cup home to Ottawa.
Those who are ripping on this deal would be the same people ripping on the team for not doing a damn thing to address goaltending. Is it the perfect deal? No. Is it fair to be ripping on a team for taking a chance on a guy when he was realistically our best option available to us at a position of need? No. We were all crying for a goalie, we got one who has been playing some of the best hockey of his career. Could it fail? Sure, every contract can. Could he come out and prove to be an ideal #1 guy on a playoff team? Absolutely. A bunch of keyboard warriors, some of whom have admitted to only stat watching, aren't a reliable source on the quality of a player, or a contract for that matter. Some people just like to complain for the sake of complaining around here, and it must be exhausting for them.
As for the contract, 4 million is not the end of the world. I actually like the AAV. As for the length sure it may be a year or 2 too long, but it's not crippling by any means. The cap is expected to rise drastically in that five-year span and it's not unrealistic to believe coming on years 4 and 5, 4 million will be the going rate of a good backup. As for today, he is the 24th highest-paid goalie in the league, it's not like we are paying him elite #1 goalie money, we are paying him 1A money. My guess is we are expecting somewhere around 50 starts a year from him, so 11 more than his current career high. He will also now be behind the best defensive personnel he has ever been behind. So if the guys who get paid to know hockey and goalies believe he can come in and be that 1A option for us then those are the guys we should be trusting not random people on the internet complaining for the sake of complaining. Shitting on the player and the deal do nothing good for the team, the player, or the community of fans who want to see this team finally bring a cup home to Ottawa.
Those who are ripping on this deal would be the same people ripping on the team for not doing a damn thing to address goaltending. Is it the perfect deal? No. Is it fair to be ripping on a team for taking a chance on a guy when he was realistically our best option available to us at a position of need? No. We were all crying for a goalie, we got one who has been playing some of the best hockey of his career. Could it fail? Sure, every contract can. Could he come out and prove to be an ideal #1 guy on a playoff team? Absolutely. A bunch of keyboard warriors, some of whom have admitted to only stat watching, aren't a reliable source on the quality of a player, or a contract for that matter. Some people just like to complain for the sake of complaining around here, and it must be exhausting for them.
