Traded Korpisalo (5 years/20M)

[Stylizer1]

Who?

 

[Dionysus]

I'm excited to see how Korpi and Forsberg work as a tandem. Don't love the term, but 4m aav is not bad. Welcome Joonis!

 

[UglyPuckling]

Then tell us who you would have signed because doing nothing is not the answer?

If adding term was necessary to attract Korpisalo, how do we know, or how does anyone really know that by offering additional term to another alternative would not have worked?

One thing I've always wondered about is the idea that there weren't other choices and that somehow we can know and have reliable information about what every player that is an alternative would do, or would not do? It seems we are basing this mostly on history versus anything more precise as far as what all the alternatives would do. So if "no players would sign" or "no players were available" is reasonable based on an assumption, then it seems like some player would sign or some players were available if the right contract was waived in front of him is also a valid assumption. How do we know that Dorion even approached all of the alternatives?

It's kind of hard to know with certainty. Kind of a funny analogy, but the world was also thought to be flat until it wasn't. It's a devil's advocate thing I suppose, but still worth considering I'd think.

 

[KingAlfie11]

Look... I'll eat crow if Koripsalo sucks, but unless he is injured I just cannot see it. He played on Columbus last year and they were a defensive mess, yet he was solid. He also looked rock solid in the playoffs for the kings. I was honestly cursing him during the Oilers series. I think he is a goalie that has finally found his stride. Kind of like Ben Bishop, who we signed in his late twenties.

Yeah Korpi will be just fine. He will be our Craig Anderson 2.0, Anderson was 29 when we acquired him from Colorado and I see a lot of similarities between Andy and Korpi.

 

[Sens9292]

He’s a good goalie and a much better improvement for the Sens going with Talbot. The term is 1 or 2 years longer as goalies go as goalies go but an improvement. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Gustavsson take a big step back this year.

 

[Big Muddy]

If adding term was necessary to attract Korpisalo, how do we know, or how does anyone really know that by offering additional term to another alternative would not have worked?

One thing I've always wondered about is the idea that there weren't other choices and that somehow we can know and have reliable information about what every player that is an alternative would do, or would not do? It seems we are basing this mostly on history versus anything more precise as far as what all the alternatives would do. So if "no players would sign" or "no players were available" is reasonable based on an assumption, then it seems like some player would sign or some players were available if the right contract was waived in front of him is also a valid assumption. How do we know that Dorion even approached all of the alternatives?

It's kind of hard to know with certainty. Kind of a funny analogy, but the world was also thought to be flat until it wasn't. It's a devil's advocate thing I suppose, but still worth considering I'd think.

Interesting thoughts.

Another question would be how do we know if JK wouldn't have signed a three year term? How do we know it was offered?

For me, it's OK to say there's a lot that is unknown when a lot is unknown. LOL.

I hope with Andlauer coming on board, and the team getting better things will improve. Got to hope.

 

[Nova Stutzlia]

He had a good season for.....the LA Kings? The team that has played defence first hockey for over a decade?

He played 11 games for the Kings, 28 for the Blue Jackets.

2022-23	Columbus Blue Jackets	NHL	28	0	0	1551	81	0	0	3.13	11	11	3	845	0.913	-	-	-
2022-23	Cleveland Monsters	AHL	1	0	0	60	2	0	0	2.00	1	0	0	38	0.950	-	-	-
2022-23	Los Angeles Kings	NHL	11	0	0	621	22	0	1	2.13	7	3	1	258	0.921

 

[Que]

He’s a good goalie and a much better improvement for the Sens going with Talbot. The term is 1 or 2 years longer as goalies go as goalies go but an improvement. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Gustavsson take a big step back this year.

Gus has conditioning issues that may follow him his whole career. For what reason is irrelevant and unfortunate.

 

[KingAlfie11]

Last season Korpi had a GSAx of 12.7 which was 11th vs all situations
and 18.0 vs 5 on 5 which was 9th!! That's pretty damn good if you ask me

 

[aragorn]

If adding term was necessary to attract Korpisalo, how do we know, or how does anyone really know that by offering additional term to another alternative would not have worked?

One thing I've always wondered about is the idea that there weren't other choices and that somehow we can know and have reliable information about what every player that is an alternative would do, or would not do? It seems we are basing this mostly on history versus anything more precise as far as what all the alternatives would do. So if "no players would sign" or "no players were available" is reasonable based on an assumption, then it seems like some player would sign or some players were available if the right contract was waived in front of him is also a valid assumption. How do we know that Dorion even approached all of the alternatives?

It's kind of hard to know with certainty. Kind of a funny analogy, but the world was also thought to be flat until it wasn't. It's a devil's advocate thing I suppose, but still worth considering I'd think.

Or just trust the experts who have been in the business for decades, but regardless it's like baseball the chances of getting hits & home runs is based on very low percentages relative to the amount at bats. All GMs get some hits, some home runs, occassionally luck out on a late pick & most certainly stike out more often than not. And when they do we replace them & go through the whole thing again.

We have had plenty of GMs, scouts & coaches over the past 30 yrs & not once has everyone been on board with who they were with maybe the exception the yr we went to the cup final. Of course, once we lost those finals we went back to crapping on them again. But you're right we just never get all of the information to make any reasonable assumption as to what exactly happened & why & unless it comes out later we may never know. It would be great if it was all transparent, but I doubt any team would want that & prefer their info/strategy stays well guarded. It's all Monday morning quarterbacking at best.

 

[NyQuil]

Last season Korpi had a GSAx of 12.7 which was 11th vs all situations
and 18.0 vs 5 on 5 which was 9th!! That's pretty damn good if you ask me

We’re paying for one season just like the Oilers did with Campbell.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

We’re paying for one season just like the Oilers did with Campbell.

Ya you can't dispute he put up good numbers last year, but we're buying high hoping he can sustain career high numbers.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

I feel at this point we can only be optimistic until Korpisalo proves us wrong or right.

 

[KingAlfie11]

Or just trust the experts who have been in the business for decades, but regardless it's like baseball the chances of getting hits & home runs is based on very low percentages relative to the amount at bats. All GMs get some hits, some home runs, occassionally luck out on a late pick & most certainly stike out more often than not. And when they do we replace them & go through the whole thing again.

We have had plenty of GMs, scouts & coaches over the past 30 yrs & not once has everyone been on board with who they were with maybe the exception the yr we went to the cup final. Of course, once we lost those finals we went back to crapping on them again. But you're right we just never get all of the information to make any reasonable assumption as to what exactly happened & why & unless it comes out later we may never know. It would be great if it was all transparent, but I doubt any team would want that & prefer their info/strategy stays well guarded. It's all Monday morning quarterbacking at best.

You're spot on, that's the new generation today they think they know more about managing an nhl team then the actual gm who has many many years of experience in his field. It's so much more easier being a GM in NHL 23 then it is in real life.

 

[Nova Stutzlia]

From 0:00 to 5:20 on Korpi:

 

[OgieO]

I think we can all agree that the term is to long but many here are over reacting imo. Def some risk (too much imo) I'm glad we've got two goalies that can play. Just need a staff that can implement a decent defensive system now.

 

[Ice-Tray]

I would have probably went down the trade route and def not commited to term which most other goalies aren't getting in the market rn

again 'give him a chance' is not the same as a 5 year deal

my god if you are looking at it from the angle that this could get Dorion fired than the bar is so low around here

Like who? And what would you be willing to give up in terms of assets instead of straight cash?

And what if your preferred candidate isn’t available, or doesn’t want to extend here, then what?

I think they considered the trade market just as much as the UFA market, probably more, and yet here we are.

We can’t simply fall back on the idea that we could have traded for better, especially since we haven’t seen him play here yet.

Ottawa tax has been paid, let’s see what we have.

 

[UglyPuckling]

Or just trust the experts who have been in the business for decades, but regardless it's like baseball the chances of getting hits & home runs is based on very low percentages relative to the amount at bats. All GMs get some hits, some home runs, occassionally luck out on a late pick & most certainly stike out more often than not. And when they do we replace them & go through the whole thing again.

We have had plenty of GMs, scouts & coaches over the past 30 yrs & not once has everyone been on board with who they were with maybe the exception the yr we went to the cup final. Of course, once we lost those finals we went back to crapping on them again. But you're right we just never get all of the information to make any reasonable assumption as to what exactly happened & why & unless it comes out later we may never know. It would be great if it was all transparent, but I doubt any team would want that & prefer their info/strategy stays well guarded. It's all Monday morning quarterbacking at best.

Brian Burke was saying some of the same things I did about Korpisalo's contract being too long & too expensive if he was a backup or a 1b versus a starter. So, I think I was doing that and would agree with getting some info from someone with experience in the industry.

Like I said, if JK plays well as a starter even if its 45+ games started for multiple years, then I'm OK with the contract.

I guess I do wonder what the thinking is on Sogaard and Merilainen though given the term of the JK contract.

 

[Boud]

We’re paying for one season just like the Oilers did with Campbell.

I think the situations are wildly different.

Korpisalo had hip issues and got surgery. Soon as he got back he was stellar.

 

[PlayItAgain]

 

[KingAlfie11]

Ya you can't dispute he put up good numbers last year, but we're buying high hoping he can sustain career high numbers.

I think he will our D is much improve, and we just need consistent goaltending especially in the 1st period so that we can score the first goal of the game which is so important, Korpi and Forsberg shoul gave us the goaltending necessary to make the playoffs.

 

[bicboi64]

I like Korpisalo, was hoping we'd land him but this is another gamble on a goalie with a small sample size. Yes Korpisalo was a good goalie for the BJs who had some meh bluelines, but given the other signings that have just gone down today for goalies, we shouldn't be paying this much.

The cap hit is fine, term is not, and the term is probably what needed to be there for Korpisalo to sign here. However, this guy isn't Hellebyuck, Sorokin or Shesterkin, he's not the game breaker that you commit extra term to.

At that point, I'd have been fine if Dorion got the following:
Lyon for 2 years at $1 million aav
Broissoit at 1 year $1.175 million
Andersen at 2 years $3.4 million
Blackwood at 2 years $2.3million
Raanta at 1 year $1.5 million

I think this is a better gamble than Murray, but at the same time, doesn't seem like Dorion learned from his mistake with Murray.

On the bright side, for the first time in a while, we have a competent blueline. We're at least putting Korpisalo in a position to succeed, so the gamble's harms are mitigated a bit.

 

[SenatorsLegionary]

I don't mind the $4M AAV but 5 years is way too long IMO. I would've been okay with 2 mayyyybe 3 years tops just to mitigate the risk of the signing. Yes, Korpisalo is coming off a pretty good year but he was rather average to below average in seasons prior.

I guess what bothers me the most about the signing is
1) Although Forsberg is recovering from a serious injury, this signing is committing a significant amount of money and term into a goalie that is not a clear upgrade from a healthy Forsberg; and
2) There were rumblings that if we were unable to find a suitable option in net, that Soogard would get promoted full-time to the roster and play in the NHL. Pierre also mentioned in a press conference that he wrote in his notes that Mads was "NHL ready", after watching him play some games last year. Given that context, what is the vision of this signing? You're going to bring in an average vet that blocks your NHL ready young goaltender for the next 5 years? If Soogard takes over the starting job, then you're saddled with an expensive backup with term.

I just find the signing lacks evaluation and foresight. I really hope I'm wrong and that Korpisalo progresses, but it wouldn't surprise me if we find ourselves in another Matt Murray situation in 3 years.

 

[KingAlfie11]

There you go those numbers are worth $4 million per

 

[Adele Dazeem]

I like Korpisalo, was hoping we'd land him but this is another gamble on a goalie with a small sample size. Yes Korpisalo was a good goalie for the BJs who had some meh bluelines, but given the other signings that have just gone down today for goalies, we shouldn't be paying this much.

The cap hit is fine, term is not, and the term is probably what needed to be there for Korpisalo to sign here. However, this guy isn't Hellebyuck, Sorokin or Shesterkin, he's not the game breaker that you commit extra term to.

At that point, I'd have been fine if Dorion got the following:
Lyon for 2 years at $1 million aav
Broissoit at 1 year $1.175 million
Andersen at 2 years $3.4 million
Blackwood at 2 years $2.3million
Raanta at 1 year $1.5 million

I think this is a better gamble than Murray, but at the same time, doesn't seem like Dorion learned from his mistake with Murray.

On the bright side, for the first time in a while, we have a competent blueline. We're at least putting Korpisalo in a position to succeed, so the gamble's harms are mitigated a bit.

Andersen is the only goalie comparable. The rest are inferior by a substantial margin.