Traded Korpisalo (5 years/20M)

[DylanSensFan]

being better than Stuart Skinner is the bar? yeeshh

The Oilers pelted the Kings. Korpisalo was in god mode for a lot of that series.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Korpisalo was a lot better than Skinner in that series. The numbers don't lie. Yet Skinner ended up in the second round.

Skinner isn't great and proved to be the achilies heel for Edmonton in the next round imo. No confidence there either, but at least he's young and could improve. It was a successful season for him, but for where that team is at, it was a tough spot.

 

[HSF]

The Oilers pelted the Kings. Korpisalo was in god mode for a lot of that series.

god mode is being used very loosly here.

 

[Mingus Dew]

He had one double hip surgery, is that what we term a history of hip surgery's now? The upside is equally as good. What happened to swinging for the fences, or taking a chance on a particular guy. This management team can't do anything right for anyone. Look if it fails you will be happy because they will clean house & you won't have DJ or PD to crap on any more.

Yes, a major hip injury that requires surgery and shut down his entire season does in fact qualify as a history of hip injuries. Forsberg is gonna have a history of knee injuries moving forward. It’s what happens when you suffer a monster injury like that.

We talk about swinging for the fences in terms of drafting prospects that costs us absolutely nothing but draft capital lol. Insane the false equivalency. You don’t swing for the fences by blowing cap for 5 years on a dude that is unproven.

 

[DylanSensFan]

Korpisalo is a career .904 SV% goalie

Brossoit is a career .908 SV% goalie

Both are extremely inconsistent year to year

One gets 20M over 5 years, the other gets 1.85M for 1 year

Would love to hear an explanation from management apologists how that makes sense.

Look... I'll eat crow if Koripsalo sucks, but unless he is injured I just cannot see it. He played on Columbus last year and they were a defensive mess, yet he was solid. He also looked rock solid in the playoffs for the kings. I was honestly cursing him during the Oilers series. I think he is a goalie that has finally found his stride. Kind of like Ben Bishop, who we signed in his late twenties.

 

[Big Muddy]

Maybe/presumably that was the thought process & motivation behind the trade. His stats for previous seasons don't indicate he has been a starter in the past. His 35 game starts in 2019-20 was the most in his career.

I think if he plays like 52 + games as a true starter, he can earn his contract. His contract is indicative of a starter along those lines. Brian Burke made that comment this afternoon on NHL Network.

Do we even know he will play more than Forsberg?

He's being paid more than Forsberg whioch is an indication he should be the starter but as they say he has to win the job first. All goalies are backups before they are starters & have to take the job away from the starter. Let's give this guy a chance to see if he helps to improve the goalie situation before we run him out of town.

I think the poster you responded to is framing it in an interesting and good way. At least it's specific with some criteria i.e., the amount of games JK would need to start. I agree that Korpisalo has been given a starter's type of contract in terms of term and $s. He has a chance to live up to that contract and hopefully he will.

 

[starling]

5 years. Wow still can't believe it.
When do you think we are buying him out? I give it 2 years.

 

[DylanSensFan]

god mode is being used very loosly here.

I am going by what I saw. I honestly believed he would win the Kings that series, when they had no business even being close to the Oilers. If Koripsalo was playing for the Oilers in the playoffs, they'd likely been in the western final at the very least.

 

[Big Muddy]

Well if people thought the Korpisalo deal was bad, don't look at Jarry's new contract. I'm glad the sens got the better deal.

I guess you must think Jarry is a bad goalie?

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Look... I'll eat crow if Koripsalo sucks, but unless he is injured I just cannot see it. He played on Columbus last year and they were a defensive mess, yet he was solid. He also looked rock solid in the playoffs for the kings. I was honestly cursing him during the Oilers series. I think he is a goalie that has finally found his stride. Kind of like Ben Bishop, who we signed in his late twenties.

I think so much of the negativity is the term.

I was worried we'd choose him, but on a 2 or 3 year deal it would have been whatever.

Never did I even consider that it could take a big contract like this. It was a total shock to wake up to.

Now, he's our contending window goalie for better or worse and while there are some positive signs, he's still unproven and well into his career.

Hopefully this ends up more like Craig Anderson and less like Martin Gerber.

 

[HSF]

I am going by what I saw. I honestly believed he would win the Kings that series, when they had no business even being close to the Oilers. If Koripsalo was playing for the Oilers in the playoffs, they'd likely been in the western final at the very least.

sure but that has more to do with Skinner being poor and oilers skaters being good

average goaltending would indeed take them far

 

[DylanSensFan]

I think so much of the negativity is the term.

I was worried we'd choose him, but on a 2 or 3 year deal it would have been whatever.

Never did I even consider that it could take a big contract like this. It was a total shock to wake up to.

Now, he's our contending window goalie for better or worse and while there are some positive signs, he's still unproven and well into his career.

Hopefully this ends up more like Craig Anderson and less like Martin Gerber.

The problem is that these players want stability. I see what you're saying about the term. I don't like the term either to be honest. But I'm not going to shit on Korpisalo for wanting a team to stay with for the remainder of his career likely. I honestly have very high hopes for Korpisalo. What I saw in the playoffs last year was a goalie who can steal games. He was pelted by the Oilers. LA literally had no business winning the majority of those games. Korpisalo kept them in the series.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

The problem is that these players want stability. I see what you're saying about the term. I don't like the term either to be honest. But I'm not going to shit on Korpisalo for wanting a team to stay with for the remainder of his career likely. I honestly have very high hopes for Korpisalo. What I saw in the playoffs last year was a goalie who can steal games. He was pelted by the Oilers. LA literally had no business winning the majority of those games. Korpisalo kept them in the series.

I guess we'll find out. Based on the contract, he's the starter for this core while they try to contend.

 

[DylanSensFan]

sure but that has more to do with Skinner being poor and oilers skaters being good

average goaltending would indeed take them far

I got to see Aiden Hill and other goalies throughout the playoffs. Koripsalo was one of the top performers from my perspective. Skinner did suck. But he was also out played badly by Korpisalo. The Oilers as a team were pelting him in every game.

 

[majormajor]

I'll give you my take as a Jackets fan.

This contract is too long and of course as a rule you want to avoid that with goalies. Obviously too much risk. But near term this is a win for the Sens. Korpisalo was great last year. His form and his athleticism was all top notch. I'd say his weakness is that the puck tracking comes and goes, he can lose sight of it a bit too often. But overall he was stealing a lot of games he had no business stealing. If he does that for the Sens then he's worth more than $4m.

He's been sensational since he came back from hip surgery. Whether this is the new normal or whether the hip problems come back is beyond my knowledge. I can understand why you wouldn't trust Dorion and company to know. You'll need knowledgeable goalie trainers to tell you that. Though it is a big difference for me from the Murray debacle. Dorion signed Murray when Murray had already long lost his form, hoping he could regain it. Korpisalo is currently in fantastic form. I'm sure the goalie advisors raved about it.

He's a tandem guy, you probably won't use him like a starter. I know some disagree but I actually think $4m for 40 starts is about right.

Finally, he was known as being the kindest player to fans and teammates. People really love the guy. I wouldn't think it smart for my GM to give him that term but I'd still have been happy if he did, if you know what I mean.

 

[Speatleysson]

I guess you must think Jarry is a bad goalie?

That's not at all what I said, I think both are good goalies. Some people felt that the term and dollar amount were far too high for Korpi (and maybe they'll be right down the road), but Jarry's is far worse.

 

[Senovision]

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[Big Muddy]

That's not at all what I said, I think both are good goalies. Some people felt that the term and dollar amount were far too high for Korpi (and maybe they'll be right down the road), but Jarry's is far worse.

Jarry is a pretty good goalie. Burke was on NHL Network today and said Penguins like Jarry and think he's capable. He's had some injury issues though. Jarry has been a starter. Korpisalo has not (35 games started is his career best). That is probably a factor in the Jarry signing.

 

[aragorn]

I watched every minute of that series.

Oilers were great. Korpisalo wasn't up to the challenge in the context of a #1, he looked like an overwhelmed backup that series.

Against two of the highest scoring forwards in the league? Who exactly is up to the challenge of stopping McDavid these days?

Yes, a major hip injury that requires surgery and shut down his entire season does in fact qualify as a history of hip injuries. Forsberg is gonna have a history of knee injuries moving forward. It’s what happens when you suffer a monster injury like that.

We talk about swinging for the fences in terms of drafting prospects that costs us absolutely nothing but draft capital lol. Insane the false equivalency. You don’t swing for the fences by blowing cap for 5 years on a dude that is unproven.

Then tell us who you would have signed because doing nothing is not the answer?

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Against two of the highest scoring forwards in the league? Who exactly is up to the challenge of stopping McDavid these days?

Darcy Kuemper and Adin Hill this year and last?

 

[Speatleysson]

Jarry is a pretty good goalie. Burke was on NHL Network today and said Penguins like Jarry and think he's capable. He's had some injury issues though. Jarry has been a starter. Korpisalo has not (35 games started is his career best). That is probably a factor in the Jarry signing.

Yep.. don't forget that Korpisalo played for years on a bad hip; it limited him greatly. He never really had a chance to play more games because of that. He looks much better now that he's been patched up.. played liked a stud for Columbus and LA last year.

 

[Knave]

I guess you must think Jarry is a bad goalie?

It's hilarious. These people were slamming Dubas for weeks prior and now it's suddenly "see? Other GMs are doing it too".

Korpisalo is in a difficult spot. This team is not strong defensively. It's a big contract that will come with outsized expectations.

I hope it works out but the gambles Dorion takes in UFA and trades typically seem to backfire.

 

[UglyPuckling]

At 4M he isn't really paid like a starter. At least not a good one. He's paid like a 1B guy which is likely what he ends up being after next season depending on how Soogard plays.

Legit starters get 5.5+ a year.

Then you have a bunch of guys who are good but not that good between 3-5M.

Hellebyuck is a legit starter, I bet his next deal is in the 7+ range. That's a 50+ games legit starter.

Part of it is the comparison to contracts handed out to goalies this year. Andersen has been a starter. Hellebyuck is top of the heap with numerous 60+ game seasons.

You'll have to argue with people like Brian Burke who said the Korpisalo contract made sense if JK was a starter. He mentioned the 52 game point.

Like I said in my post, if Korpisalo plays as a starter and plays well, he will earn his contract. Let's hope he will get more games than Forsberg. That's a start. Even if we lower the standard and get it away from a 1b situation, 45+ games gets JK into the starter conversation or territory.

 

[NyQuil]

Look... I'll eat crow if Koripsalo sucks, but unless he is injured I just cannot see it. He played on Columbus last year and they were a defensive mess, yet he was solid. He also looked rock solid in the playoffs for the kings. I was honestly cursing him during the Oilers series. I think he is a goalie that has finally found his stride. Kind of like Ben Bishop, who we signed in his late twenties.

Two years ago, we were the only team amongst our competition (NJ, Anaheim, Buffalo, Detroit) who had a goalie over a .900.

That was Forsberg with his .913.

I remember thinking, if he doesn’t put up another .913, we could be in for some trouble.

We are dealing with very small sample sizes here where virtually any goaltender can look like a world beater.

 

[DylanSensFan]

Two years ago, we were the only team amongst our competition (NJ, Anaheim, Buffalo, Detroit) who had a goalie over a .900.

That was Forsberg with his .913.

I remember thinking, if he doesn’t put up another .913, we could be in for some trouble.

We are dealing with very small sample sizes here where virtually any goaltender can look like a world beater.

True, but Corpisalo has played in two playoffs now. He's been a dominant presence in both. We can say last year was a small sample size, but he's been slowly building to this point over a number of years. I'd say his best play if still ahead of him.