Traded Korpisalo (5 years/20M)

[HoweHullOrr]

Immediate negative overreaction is clearly our jam in here!

Switching the topic to hockey, what do you think Korpisalo has to do to earn his contract? Specific points would be preferred. Thx.

Shit maybe some of us know hockey and understand we just gave a 1B goalie at best too much money and term?

Crazy stuff!

Let's see how responds to the question that was asked, especially the specific criteria or points.

 

[HSF]

uhhhh what make this guy worth it for 5 years? holy

 

[Ice-Tray]

Let's see how responds to the question that was asked, especially the specific criteria or points.

Seriously dude? I have to respond with your criteria AND on your time line?

Jesus, the nerve….. lol

 

[HoweHullOrr]

To me it’s pretty simple; he’s one of the top available UFA goalies coming off a pretty solid season who ACTUALLY AGREED TO SIGN IN OTTAWA.

We all know that virtually no one wants to come and play here, especially not UFAs with options, no one wants to be traded here unless they have specific ties, and guys that do get traded here have to be seriously woed to stay.

We also know that in order to actually sign a UFA who is willing to even come and play in Ottawa, we need to over pay the typical UFA over pay that everyone has to pay, and we have to give at least one more year of term.

We have seen this play out time and time again, year after year.

We all agree that we needed a goalie to stabize the tandem if we want to be serious about playoffs this season, and when you’re us you pick from the slim options available.

The guys that reupped with their teams weren’t ever coming here, the best tradable goalies didn’t want to play on Canada, or were never actually on the block, or would potentially cost heavy assets and then we hope we can convince them to stay like DBC.

UFAs pick their destinations.

In the end we overpaid a bit and over termed a bit to ensure that we got the guy we wanted, who was willing to come here, who actually has the potential to be a good goalie for us.

Perhaps we should also let the guy play a game or two before pretending to have it all figured out. Understanding and accepting the realities of the Ottawa team in terms of player acquisition makes things like this a lot more understanding. The truth hurts, yes, but it is the truth; we are never in the running for the guys we really wish we could get…. Never have been, never will be.


I don’t think that’s it L’Avy, it’s think It’s just frustrating every year to re realize that this is the reality of UFAs and Ottawa/Canada.

You over pay/term for a guy in your list, or you pick from what’s left after the music stops and the guys left are willing to take anything to stay in the league.

The league is actually moving towards tandems, so that’s what we got, and at 4 mill that’s not a big cap hit if he can continue on from last year. We’d be soled to have a .904 SV from both guys at this point.

It's a long answer, but I asked for some specifics. I'm not looking for a tome filled with generalizations. What does Korpisalo need to do to earn his contract?

You are talking about tandems, but he is getting paid like a starter (52 + games).

 

[Norris4Norris]

It's a good signing if you disregard term and money. Also, we're not the LA Kings.

But in that you must mean that you appreciate Korpisalo's game. You say it is a good signing and I agree.

Term and money for a proven healthy quantity is better than gambling like we did for Murray and Talbot. Plus, to me, it shows a commitment from management to the players on the team. If I was a player like Tkachuk I would love a stable presence in net who has been through the ups and downs in his career. It is amazing, as we all know, how even an above average goalie can greatly boost a team's confidence.

To your second point, we could be the next LA Kings. We have young studs on defense and offense. This next year could be the year they put it all together.

I have to see this as a win until proven otherwise by the health and/or play of Korpisalo.

 

[NyQuil]

But in that you must mean that you appreciate Korpisalo's game. You say it is a good signing and I agree.

Term and money for a proven healthy quantity is better than gambling like we did for Murray and Talbot. Plus, to me, it shows a commitment from management to the players on the team. If I was a player like Tkachuk I would love a stable presence in net who has been through the ups and downs in his career. It is amazing, as we all know, how even an above average goalie can greatly boost a team's confidence.

To your second point, we could be the next LA Kings. We have young studs on defense and offense. This next year could be the year they put it all together.

I have to see this as a win until proven otherwise by the health and/or play of Korpisalo.

Proven healthy quantity?

 

[L'Aveuglette]

I thought Vegas was nuts giving the money they gave to Adin frikkin' Hill but Dorion somehow always manages to out-crazy other GMs. And at least Hill legitimately had a big part in winning them a Cup.

 

[aragorn]

People didn't like Murray's contract... There's a FAT chance they are absolutely going to hate this one.



You really can't make this shit up.

Should have signed a cheap solid UFA goalie (sort of like a Halak or Greiss before they declined too much), a good 2-way 3rd line forward and then trade DeBrincat for a roster forward and futures

But no, let's do Dorion's way! It has such a long track record of success

I am afraid that I will be right once again. Every off-season you see how it's building up and it's easy to see that the team will underperform. We are wasting prime years of our young stars (not peak, prime)

Here is the shit you can't make up, they were three wins away from being in a playoff spot last yr, that's a fact. If they would have had more stable goaltending they might have made the post season. They relied mostly on the top two lines for scoring (fact) because the bottom six just were not producing enough to help the team win. They started with a crappy defence, but got better as the season progressed & some of their D got better & they traded the one D everyone on this board wanted gone.

They had some horrific injury problems (fact) where they had to go 6 or 7 deep with their goaltenders last yr. We can all argue about what couldn't wouldn't shouldn't been but with all their problems last season they still came rather close to being a playoff team. All of the speculation on here on what shouldn't or couldn't been is just speculation & who knows what would have changed given all the problems & injuries with the goalies.

They just signed a #1 goalie which was their #1 priority in the off season to replace the other goalies who couldn't stay healthy here. They still have a few spots available that will be filled internally, but they could also make a couple of trades before the season starts. And finally, people used to bitch how cheap the last owner was & now we are spending to the cap (fact) & people still aren't happy, probably never will be. This is the best team we have had in quite a few yrs, we don't know what is going on behind the scenes & who wants to come here & who does't & who they have to settle for or what the constraints are. If they make the playoffs this coming season they have improved period, if they don't they will make changes including in the front office. IMO they have done the best they could given whatever restrictions they have to operate under.

To me it’s pretty simple; he’s one of the top available UFA goalies coming off a pretty solid season who ACTUALLY AGREED TO SIGN IN OTTAWA.

We all know that virtually no one wants to come and play here, especially not UFAs with options, no one wants to be traded here unless they have specific ties, and guys that do get traded here have to be seriously woed to stay.

We also know that in order to actually sign a UFA who is willing to even come and play in Ottawa, we need to over pay the typical UFA over pay that everyone has to pay, and we have to give at least one more year of term.

We have seen this play out time and time again, year after year.

We all agree that we needed a goalie to stabize the tandem if we want to be serious about playoffs this season, and when you’re us you pick from the slim options available.

The guys that reupped with their teams weren’t ever coming here, the best tradable goalies didn’t want to play on Canada, or were never actually on the block, or would potentially cost heavy assets and then we hope we can convince them to stay like DBC.

UFAs pick their destinations.

In the end we overpaid a bit and over termed a bit to ensure that we got the guy we wanted, who was willing to come here, who actually has the potential to be a good goalie for us.

Perhaps we should also let the guy play a game or two before pretending to have it all figured out. Understanding and accepting the realities of the Ottawa team in terms of player acquisition makes things like this a lot more understanding. The truth hurts, yes, but it is the truth; we are never in the running for the guys we really wish we could get…. Never have been, never will be.


I don’t think that’s it L’Avy, it’s think It’s just frustrating every year to re realize that this is the reality of UFAs and Ottawa/Canada.

You over pay/term for a guy in your list, or you pick from what’s left after the music stops and the guys left are willing to take anything to stay in the league.

The league is actually moving towards tandems, so that’s what we got, and at 4 mill that’s not a big cap hit if he can continue on from last year. We’d be soled to have a .904 SV from both guys at this point.

Good post.

 

[HSF]

Here is the shit you can't make up, they were three wins away from being in a playoff spot last yr, that's a fact. If they would have had more stable goaltending they might have made the post season. They relied mostly on the top two lines for scoring (fact) because the bottom six just were not producing enough to help the team win. They started with a crappy defence, but got better as the season progressed & some of their D got better & they traded the one D everyone on this board wanted gone.

They had some horrific injury problems (fact) where they had to go 6 or 7 deep with their goaltenders last yr. We can all argue about what couldn't wouldn't shouldn't been but with all their problems last season they still came rather close to being a playoff team. All of the speculation on here on what shouldn't or couldn't been is just speculation & who knows what would have changed given all the problems & injuries with the goalies.

They just signed a #1 goalie which was their #1 priority in the off season to replace the other goalies who couldn't stay healthy here. They still have a few spots available that will be filled internally, but they could also make a couple of trades before the season starts. And finally, people used to bitch how cheap the last owner was & now we are spending to the cap (fact) & people still aren't happy, probably never will be. This is the best team we have had in quite a few yrs, we don't know what is going on behind the scenes & who wants to come here & who does't & who they have to settle for or what the constraints are. If they make the playoffs this coming season they have improved period, if they don't they will make changes including in the front office. IMO they have done the best they could given whatever restrictions they have to operate under.

Good post.

why do you think Korpisalo stabilizes our goaltending?

hes a more expensive forsberg

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Imagine being that dick on a forum who asks for a reply and then complains because it didn’t suit your criteria.

Get f***ed, and also Happy Canada Day.

So, this is how you discuss? You were complaining about posters here, which is kind of ironic given how you are complaining.

We discuss and debate here on this discussion board and this is just a question. Now you have a chance to show your stuff, your hockey knowledge.

why do you think Korpisalo stabilizes our goaltending?

hes a more expensive forsberg

Another question would be whether Korpisalo even plays more than Forsberg. If Korpisalo plays like a 52 + game starter (and plays well), then the money & contract is OK.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

And look at at that Brossoit contract in Winnipeg of all places!

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

why do you think Korpisalo stabilizes our goaltending?

hes a more expensive forsberg

I will bet that Forsberg will be our #1 by years end.

 

[JackieDaytona]

Korpisalo is fine. I hope he does well here and it’s unfortunate that he’s not being welcomed with excitement or positivity. But this is all on Dorion and a f***ing dumbf*** contract that makes little sense given the current market and other signings around the league, and Korpisalis history. I’m not upset about getting the player, I find it difficult to understand the contract given. If those were the terms, just walk away. At that price and length, is it better than what we already have? In addition to other concerns with the lineup over the next 5 years? This is a dumbf*** move by Dorion, even if korpisalo is not bad. Jettison this idiot.

 

[Icelevel]

I like korpisalo and will hope for the best but I mean F Andersen signed for 2 years at $3.5M today

 

[Knave]

It's just a sign Dorion is out of ideas. I don't think goaltending fixes this team on its own.

The past few years have essentially been Dorion gambling on getting a star goaltender which is by far the riskiest strategy in all of hockey. There are very few goaltenders that get drafted at a young age and are consistently good for 5+ years like Price or Rinne.

And it's unfair to Korpisalo to expect him to come in and be prime Jonathan Quick and save our poor play night after night after night. And the team in front of Quick was much more sound defensively than we are.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Korpisalo is fine. I hope he does well here and it’s unfortunate that he’s not being welcomed with excitement or positivity. But this is all on Dorion and a f***ing dumbf*** contract that makes little sense given the current market and other signings around the league, and Korpisalis history. I’m not upset about getting the player, I find it difficult to understand the contract given. If those were the terms, just walk away. At that price and length, is it better than what we already have? In addition to other concerns with the lineup over the next 5 years? This is a dumbf*** move by Dorion, even if korpisalo is not bad. Jettison this idiot.

That's the thing. It's the contract. It's a big commitment.

We officially have our number one for the contending window with this core.

Who out there wanted that to be Korpisalo?

I know I had higher expectations, but at least we have Forsberg and maybe Sogaard pushes the issue sooner than later.

 

[L'Aveuglette]

But in that you must mean that you appreciate Korpisalo's game. You say it is a good signing and I agree.

Term and money for a proven healthy quantity is better than gambling like we did for Murray and Talbot. Plus, to me, it shows a commitment from management to the players on the team. If I was a player like Tkachuk I would love a stable presence in net who has been through the ups and downs in his career. It is amazing, as we all know, how even an above average goalie can greatly boost a team's confidence.

To your second point, we could be the next LA Kings. We have young studs on defense and offense. This next year could be the year they put it all together.

I have to see this as a win until proven otherwise by the health and/or play of Korpisalo.

Yeah as I said I like bringing Korpisalo in, but it seems obvious after all the fumbles PD has had with his UFA goalie signings(most if not all of them have backfired) that he should have been given less term, imo 2-3 years max, therefore limiting the risk.

Yeah I know in order for Ottawa to attract UFAs we often have to overpay, but I don't see any other GM giving 5 years to Korpisalo anyway. I'm sure 3 years would have done it at that price.

I will bet that Forsberg will be our #1 by years end.

I'm betting on Sogaard.

 

[Ice-Tray]

So, this is how you discuss? You were complaining about posters here, which is kind of ironic given how you are complaining.

We discuss and debate here on this discussion board and this is just a question. Now you have a chance to show your stuff, your hockey knowledge.


Another question would be whether Korpisalo even plays more than Forsberg. If Korpisalo plays like a 52 + game starter (and plays well), then the money & contract is OK.

lol, Dude, you passive aggressively called me out, twice, yucking it up with another poster and then you expect me to be gracious towards you? In what world??

Still, I take the time to put together a lengthy reply to why I think the goalie cost what he did, remarking in the post that he had a good season last year, which is why we liked him.

You throw that entire post away with a one line diss, demanding something else instead…

And now you try and hit me up with a ‘discussion and debate’ gotcha moment?

Seriously bud, that was the most bullshit childish baiting attempt I’ve seen in a very long time. If you want to have a discussion or debate with someone, you need to learn how to engage with them like a grown up. You behaved like like an entitled little brat and got treated like one.

I have no idea why you’d think I or anyone else for that matter would feel any desire to ‘show their stuff‘ to you. Weird post, I think we’re done here.

 

[UglyPuckling]

So, this is how you discuss? You were complaining about posters here, which is kind of ironic given how you are complaining.

We discuss and debate here on this discussion board and this is just a question. Now you have a chance to show your stuff, your hockey knowledge.


Another question would be whether Korpisalo even plays more than Forsberg. If Korpisalo plays like a 52 + game starter (and plays well), then the money & contract is OK.

I think the question you asked was a good one.

And, I would agree that if plays as a true starter versus a 1b or backup, then Korpisalo has a chance of earning his contract.

 

[Mingus Dew]

Tell me who? Who was willing to come here? Maybe these guys wanted more money for less term which we couldn't afford & the term is what got him signed at a cheap price. He's only 29 yrs old, still quite young for a goalie & we still have Forsberg behind him & Sogaard in Belleville.

If he is as risky as anyone than what is the big deal? $4 mil is affordable & 5 yrs isn't that bad if he turns out to be better than what we had & gets us in the playoffs. At the end of his term he could turn into a decent backup for Sogaard.

If this is the only way to get a risky goaltender to come here then just stick with that we have. Would have been no worse off.

 

[L'Aveuglette]

Here is the shit you can't make up, they were three wins away from being in a playoff spot last yr, that's a fact. If they would have had more stable goaltending they might have made the post season. They relied mostly on the top two lines for scoring (fact) because the bottom six just were not producing enough to help the team win. They started with a crappy defence, but got better as the season progressed & some of their D got better & they traded the one D everyone on this board wanted gone.

They had some horrific injury problems (fact) where they had to go 6 or 7 deep with their goaltenders last yr. We can all argue about what couldn't wouldn't shouldn't been but with all their problems last season they still came rather close to being a playoff team. All of the speculation on here on what shouldn't or couldn't been is just speculation & who knows what would have changed given all the problems & injuries with the goalies.

They just signed a #1 goalie which was their #1 priority in the off season to replace the other goalies who couldn't stay healthy here. They still have a few spots available that will be filled internally, but they could also make a couple of trades before the season starts. And finally, people used to bitch how cheap the last owner was & now we are spending to the cap (fact) & people still aren't happy, probably never will be. This is the best team we have had in quite a few yrs, we don't know what is going on behind the scenes & who wants to come here & who does't & who they have to settle for or what the constraints are. If they make the playoffs this coming season they have improved period, if they don't they will make changes including in the front office. IMO they have done the best they could given whatever restrictions they have to operate under.

Good post.

Until proven otherwise, Korpisalo is NOT a #1 goalie. Where did you get that from?

 

[Norris4Norris]

Proven healthy quantity?

Ok I see what you are saying. I did not see those GP (games played) throughout his career. So he is a backup goalie for all intents and purposes?

 

[aragorn]

why do you think Korpisalo stabilizes our goaltending?

hes a more expensive forsberg

He might be but at the same time this team needed a #1 goalie & he has been a #1 goalie who played quite well for LA during these past playoffs. Forsberg is coming off double knee surgery so who knows what he is going to be like, but if he plays well & Korpisalo plays well enough they could stabalize the team to be a playoff team & that in itself should improve the team.

IMO this team is close to being a playoff contender, they have a much better defence to start next season than they had at the beginning of last season. Clearly they have to stay healthier than they were last yr, but if they can get stable goaltending that should reduce their goals against. They should have two good top lines & need their bottom six to score more than they did last yr to improve their goals for. I also think the defence will increase their goals for & be better at reducing their goals against.

 

[Mingus Dew]

You know what the funniest thing is... al the overly sensitive folks that rag over silly things are some of the ones that are not very sensitive to others online. Kinda weird if you ask me.

Not sure what money has to do with anything. I am sure Joonas is a big boy, and his agent is happy, but for sure his friends and family are on social media trying to find out what Ottawa is all about and the current display on social media is not a great picture.

They will survive lol. The hand wringing is ridiculous.

 

[aragorn]

Until proven otherwise, Korpisalo is NOT a #1 goalie. Where did you get that from?

Did he not play in the 2023 playoffs for LA? How often do backups play if the started is not hurt?