Kopitar signs 8year/$80M contract confirmed with link

[Reclamation Project]

I've also said many times that I would never even consider re-signing Lucic. Thanks for everything and hope he gets another ring, but move on.

 

[damacles1156]

If you are going to give another forward Dustin Brown/Gabo money, that player better be Toffoli. Not Lucic.

 

[Reclamation Project]

Kings already have the "after" Lucic on their roster.

 

[tsanuri]

No, of course it will go down if HRR taken in by Candian teams and converted to U.S. dollars gets reduced due to the exchange rate. Remember what I posted about escrow going up from 16% to 20%? That tells you everything you need to know about what the NHL really thinks about HRR for this season.

Teams don't hedge to protect HRR, they hedge to protect themselves so they can pay the players in U.S. dollars as they are contractually required.

Actually it doesn't tell you everything. Escrow is set off the mid point not the cap. And the cap adds 15%. The escrow goes up because more and more teams are paying to the cap not the mid point. Which is where the 50% comes into play. So they are hedging the bets by raising the escrow but at the 16% it really just means they got it right.

 

[tsanuri]

It's part of a section which allows for adjustments to % share or adding other sources of revenue. Not that they would necessarily utilize that section, but if it gets dire enough there are parts of the CBA which allow amendments.

I never thought about TV deals though, not sure if they are substantial enough. Although there is a section on HRR just for the Leafs

Sorry but it's not there. You can't change what HHR is.

(a)
"Hockey Related Revenues."
"Hockey Related Revenues" or "HRR" for each League Year means the operating revenues, including Barter (as defined below), from all sources, whether known or unknown, whether now in existence or created in the future, as expressly set forth in this Section 50.1

And just a little farther down there is this.

(i) HRR shall include the following non-exhaustive list of revenues:

 

[KINGS17]

The plan stays the same, you let Lucic walk after the season.

Kopitar at 10 million a year is awful, but you have to sign that contract.

It is, what it is, Just hope the Kings win another cup or two.

I think we are of the same mind on this. The window will be closed as soon as the Kings can no longer maintain the supporting cast required to surround Kopitar and Doughty with enough talent to win a cup. That day could be coming sooner than we think if Dean can't rid the team of some troublesome contracts.

Anyone think Dean will get Toffoli signed for less than an AAV of $5M or $6M? Doughty will want at least $10M AAV. If the cap doesn't reach $80M within a couple of seasons, this run will be over.

 

[Little Psycho]

I've also said many times that I would never even consider re-signing Lucic. Thanks for everything and hope he gets another ring, but move on.

Sucks he won't ever sign cheap to stay on this contender team, but I agree.

 

[KINGS17]

It's called a fair market contract.

The going rate for superstar forwards is $10m a year with a full no-movement clause. Guys like Kopitar, Kane and Toews hold all the cards, they can demand what they want because they know there would be a line out the door on July 1st of teams willing to give them that.

This idea that Lombardi is some kind of magician who was going to have more luck than Bowman is ridiculous, the same thing is going to happen when Drew is eligible to sign an extension, just the way it is.

Will be interesting to see how the people who were so adamant about how awful the Kane and Toews deals were now react to this one. I'll give Hyori and K17 credit, they haven't changed their opinion one bit.

I'm personally ok with it, just realize the last 3 year are going to be rough, but worth it if we win another cup or two.

Kopitar had better lead the way to at least one or two more cups. People around here thought I rode his ass before. Well, I have some new spurs now.

He has been playing great as of late, but I am looking forward to seeing if he is going to relax now.

 

[damacles1156]

Lucic has no reason to take a pay cut, and players Never really do.

Dustin Brown was the last NHL player I can remember that took a true home town discount, on his middle contract.

 

[KINGS17]

I'm imagining K17 as the "All is lost" cat right now.

Not a chance. I am in the "show me more" mode. Kopitar still has a lot to prove in my eyes. This is not a good deal for the Kings. It is at best slightly in Kopitar's favor. I don't want to hear any more baloney about him needing the "right" wingers to create offense. It's his job to make his wingers better now.

 

[damacles1156]

I simply want Kopitar, to continue his assertive play style he has shown the last few games.

It's when he is at his best.

 

[King'sPawn]

Kopitar had better lead the way to at least one or two more cups. People around here thought I rode his ass before. Well, I have some new spurs now.

He has been playing great as of late, but I am looking forward to seeing if he is going to relax now.

And again... top scorer on the team every year while providing Selke performances. Led the team in scoring both postseasons they won the Stanley Cup. He has also missed 21 games in 10 years, even though he gets the most minutes among forwards.

You riding Kopitar all this time just says more about you than anything else.

 

[damacles1156]

Not a chance. I am in the "show me more" mode. Kopitar still has a lot to prove in my eyes. This is not a good deal for the Kings. It is at best slightly in Kopitar's favor. I don't want to hear any more baloney about him needing the "right" wingers to create offense. It's his job to make his wingers better now.

It never was a valid excuse.

Kopitar has historically created offense with just about anybody.

So people bringing it up, were mistaken.

I agree it's not a valid excuse, never has been.

 

[KINGS17]

And again... top scorer on the team every year while providing Selke performances. Led the team in scoring both postseasons they won the Stanley Cup. He has also missed 21 games in 10 years, even though he gets the most minutes among forwards.

You riding Kopitar all this time just says more about you than anything else.

The Selke nomination last year was a joke. Anyone that thinks it wasn't has on their homer glasses.

I don't ride him all the time, but when he plays long stretches where he is content to stay on the perimeter or not take the puck to the net, then yeah it's time to criticize him.

He was not too good in the 2013 playoffs. I expect a lot from a player that makes $10M a season.

 

[Fishhead]

Sorry but it's not there. You can't change what HHR is.

And just a little farther down there is this.

Hmm, I think I interpreted it incorrectly. It says:

" The Applicable Percentage of the Players' Share shall be adjusted in the
event that, at any time, the System Arbitrator sustains one or more requests by the
NHLPA to adjust HRR by adding or imputing a source of revenues in existence and
known to the NHLPA at the effective date of the CBA, and not included in revenues
reported by Clubs through UROs, Levitt adjustments or Article 50"

It doesn't apply to "new" sources of revenue, apparently, so it would have to be something that was known as revenue, but wasn't included in the initial calculations.

 

[damacles1156]

Nothing wrong with wanting more out of certain players. If you ask me, Kopitar was not the Kings best player last year.

That award went to Doughty or Muzzin. Muzzin had a career year.

 

[Reclamation Project]

Doughty, Muzzin, Carter. In that order.

 

[Vamos Rafa]

**** the salary cap, seriously.

 

[Fishhead]

I think we are of the same mind on this. The window will be closed as soon as the Kings can no longer maintain the supporting cast required to surround Kopitar and Doughty with enough talent to win a cup. That day could be coming sooner than we think if Dean can't rid the team of some troublesome contracts.

Anyone think Dean will get Toffoli signed for less than an AAV of $5M or $6M? Doughty will want at least $10M AAV. If the cap doesn't reach $80M within a couple of seasons, this run will be over.

$80M will be tough to get to, IMO. DL will be really tested to keep a contending team.

Expansion may help a bit in the first year due to excitement, but after the shiny new toy glow wears off, there will probably be a drag on cap growth. That is, unless the expansion teams pull in better than average revenue. I think that's unlikely, if there were markets that viable out there the league would already have a team there.

 

[Reclamation Project]

Everyone talks about the cap increasing like it'll only go up for the Kings. Our competitors will also have the benefit of their star players talking up a smaller percentage of their cap along with being able to add extra pieces. It's a wash.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I think we are of the same mind on this. The window will be closed as soon as the Kings can no longer maintain the supporting cast required to surround Kopitar and Doughty with enough talent to win a cup. That day could be coming sooner than we think if Dean can't rid the team of some troublesome contracts.

Anyone think Dean will get Toffoli signed for less than an AAV of $5M or $6M? Doughty will want at least $10M AAV. If the cap doesn't reach $80M within a couple of seasons, this run will be over.

I'm with you on this, and I think we're dreaming if we get TT under 7 million/year.

I think DL is gambling on the cap going up since he was 'punished' for not using all his cap space before the compliance buyouts. He's pushing the limits and counting on bailouts. Can't say I disagree with that approach if it is in fact what it is, especially given our current status.

 

[Ron*]

**** the salary cap, seriously.

If there was no salary cap then the Detroit Red Wings would continue to rule the roost, attracting all the UFAs. In a sense, the CAP has very much benefited the Kings (and Blackhawks) just by the mere fact it limited Detroit's and Pittsburgh's ability to stockpile world-class players.

 

[Reclamation Project]

Lucic or Toffoli at 7.5/per. No hesitation on which one I'd pick. Toffoli will be a 30 goals scorer for 10 years.

 

[The Night King]

Not a chance. I am in the "show me more" mode. Kopitar still has a lot to prove in my eyes. This is not a good deal for the Kings. It is at best slightly in Kopitar's favor. I don't want to hear any more baloney about him needing the "right" wingers to create offense. It's his job to make his wingers better now.

It's fine to complain about it, but it won't change anything. Kopitar's slumps aren't going away and he's not becoming a better player now because he got a raise. He is who he is.

 

[TopT]

This is going to set the price for Stamkos and I believe he's going to get more than Kane and Toews.

he shouldnt but its possible