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Kopitar; For or Against a trade if it comes to it?

Kingsfan1 said:
I think Kopitar signs an extension by the end of this month, soon as Dean has a better idea of what's to come with MR
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How is DL going to know by the end of this month what comes of MR? The "end of this month" is only 17 days away; meanwhile, MR's next court date isn't until December and his grievance hearing hasn't even been scheduled yet.

He won't know anything more on September 30 than he does on September 13.
 
Ron said:
How is DL going to know by the end of this month what comes of MR? The "end of this month" is only 17 days away; meanwhile, MR's next court date isn't until December and his grievance hearing hasn't even been scheduled yet.

He won't know anything more on September 30 than he does on September 13.
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I believe a tsn analyst or someone recently mentioned that they expect Richards grievance to be heard before the season starts and possibly by end of this month to have an arbitrator rule in favor of someone
 
Kingsfan1 said:
I believe a tsn analyst or someone recently mentioned that they expect Richards grievance to be heard before the season starts and possibly by end of this month to have an arbitrator rule in favor of someone
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I am getting the feeling that Dean has decided that there will be no 8-year, high-AAV deal for Kopitar before the season starts.
 
KINGS17 said:
I am getting the feeling that Dean has decided that there will be no 8-year, high-AAV deal for Kopitar before the season starts.
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likid said:
Doesn't matter. He'll get this on LA or 7-year, even higher AVV on some other team...
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Unless the Kings trade Kopitar, he won't be getting a 7-year, high-AAV deal from another team before this season starts.
 
Kingsfan1 said:
I believe a tsn analyst or someone recently mentioned that they expect Richards grievance to be heard before the season starts and possibly by end of this month to have an arbitrator rule in favor of someone
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friendman said it on local radio that the hearing is supposed to be the week before the regular seaosn
 
From Friedman's 30 things article:

6. Anze Kopitar’s agent, Pat Brisson, was scheduled to go to Switzerland this week to visit another client, Auston Matthews. That may slow down negotiations with the Kings, but it certainly sounds like both sides are taking a serious run at getting this done before the season.
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For what's it's worth...

http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/los150916.html
Sources tell TFP Kopitar's reps, CAA Sports, haven't moved off their stance that Kopitar's new contract should be comparable to the deal that Jonathan Toews received from the Chicago Blackhawks last summer ($84 million over eight years), while the Kings are looking to bring in the deal somewhere in the range of $9 million per year.
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If that's true, kopi's standing firm on 10.5, that's a bit of a surprise. And 'standing firm' doesn't bode well for the Kings. Kopi holding all the cards.

With TT and TP's new contracts on the horizon next summer and the CAP wavering in the 70M area possibly, not an easy road for DL.
 
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Between Lucic, Lewis, Ehrhoff, McBain, and Enroth, that's a little over $8 million on the cap. Add Voynov, and it's over $12 million. I have little doubt they'll figure it out with Kopitar. He's at $6.8 now. Even adding 4 million to that, they're still well under.

How Lombardi fills out the roster around a newly paid Kopitar is the only question left.
 
KingsFan7824 said:
Between Lucic, Lewis, Ehrhoff, McBain, and Enroth, that's a little over $8 million on the cap. Add Voynov, and it's over $12 million. I have little doubt they'll figure it out with Kopitar. He's at $6.8 now. Even adding 4 million to that, they're still well under.

How Lombardi fills out the roster around a newly paid Kopitar is the only question left.
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Adding $4M to that makes Kopitar extremely overpaid.
 
KingsFan7824 said:
Between Lucic, Lewis, Ehrhoff, McBain, and Enroth, that's a little over $8 million on the cap. Add Voynov, and it's over $12 million. I have little doubt they'll figure it out with Kopitar. He's at $6.8 now. Even adding 4 million to that, they're still well under.

How Lombardi fills out the roster around a newly paid Kopitar is the only question left.
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McNabb's contract is up as well. For 2016/17 they are at 51M with 15 players signed. If Kopi gets 10, with the CAP hovering in 70 M range, that doesn't leave much left.
 
Although I'm all for re-signing Kopi, I'd be pretty disappointed in him if it's anything close to 10M@8. Not expecting a hometown discount, but with this kind of numbers, it just tells me that he's more about getting paid, than he is about winning championships.
 
deeshamrock said:
McNabb's contract is up as well. For 2016/17 they are at 51M with 15 players signed. If Kopi gets 10, with the CAP hovering in 70 M range, that doesn't leave much left.
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McNabbs contract extension is probably one of the last things you should worry about. Dude has yet to become an NHL regular...
 
Minor Boarding said:
McNabbs contract extension is probably one of the last things you should worry about. Dude has yet to become an NHL regular...
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McNabb did fine last year and I think if given additional responsiblities and ice time, he'll adjust. Most defensemen take a good 300 games before they are fully acclimated. ,

McNabb or not, that doesn't change the head count or DL's situation.
 
HYORI 1963 said:
Although I'm all for re-signing Kopi, I'd be pretty disappointed in him if it's anything close to 10M@8. Not expecting a hometown discount, but with this kind of numbers, it just tells me that he's more about getting paid, than he is about winning championships.
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Like any NHL player in his situation, elite among his ranking at age 29 when the deal starts, it's his only shot at the home run contract.
He's totally in the driver's seat, nobody on the team that does what he does and no centers in the pipeline coming up that are of that ilk.
Getting paid is what all players do, and signing for 1M less won't guarantee a championship.
 
KINGS17 said:
Adding $4M to that makes Kopitar extremely overpaid.
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That may be the case, but this has always been a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. Whatever he gets will be a lot for a guy that will get the checks more often in his 30's than 20's, but you can't let him walk, and you won't get what you should for him in a trade. There's no great answer involved.

Lombardi is still Lombardi though. Brown got paid. Quick got paid. Kopitar will too. We're just going to have to live with it, because it's going to happen.

deeshamrock said:
McNabb's contract is up as well. For 2016/17 they are at 51M with 15 players signed. If Kopi gets 10, with the CAP hovering in 70 M range, that doesn't leave much left.
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How much is McNabb going to get though? Between Ehrhoff and McBain, that's over $2 million. Somewhere in there is McNabb's money, and someone else from Ontario will probably have to find a way onto the team in 16-17. That's what the AHL is for. Mersch and/or Kempe maybe making a run at a spot in 2016.

The payroll is still a bit bloated after all the winning and loyalty, so they'll just have to get some additional production from the cheap contract prospects, which any team has to get anyway if they want to win.
 
KingsFan7824 said:
That may be the case, but this has always been a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. Whatever he gets will be a lot for a guy that will get the checks more often in his 30's than 20's, but you can't let him walk, and you won't get what you should for him in a trade. There's no great answer involved.

Lombardi is still Lombardi though. Brown got paid. Quick got paid. Kopitar will too. We're just going to have to live with it, because it's going to happen.



How much is McNabb going to get though? Between Ehrhoff and McBain, that's over $2 million. Somewhere in there is McNabb's money, and someone else from Ontario will probably have to find a way onto the team in 16-17. That's what the AHL is for. Mersch and/or Kempe maybe making a run at a spot in 2016.

The payroll is still a bit bloated after all the winning and loyalty, so they'll just have to get some additional production from the cheap contract prospects, which any team has to get anyway if they want to win.
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How much McNabb gets will depend on how he is used this year, how well he does and where he is on that projection for the next X years map that DL has. I think McBain is the one you would no worry one, he's replacable. McNabb has more upside.

He's shown enough that with more ice time and responsibility, he'll do fine. And I agree on the forwards (Kempe, Zykov) coming into the fold but defense is very important to DL and I think he'll want to stabilize the back end. Ehrhoff was a good risk, since 2 concussions in 6 weeks (end of Jan , mid march) had him still recovering over the summer, if he doesn't pan out, another veteran d will be traded for or signed. And that will require $$$.
And part of DL's ,map is TT and TP's new deals, which I'm guessing is part of his planning since they will be going into their final year next summer. That could be 10 between the two of them or close to it.
 
deeshamrock said:
Like any NHL player in his situation, elite among his ranking at age 29 when the deal starts, it's his only shot at the home run contract.
He's totally in the driver's seat, nobody on the team that does what he does and no centers in the pipeline coming up that are of that ilk.
Getting paid is what all players do, and signing for 1M less won't guarantee a championship.
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His current contract to me was a "homerun" contract at the time of the signing, so there's that. And no, taking 1M doesn't guarantee a championship, but if his teammates followed suit and also settled on a reasonable contract, then now, we have something.

To me, the sticking point isn't going to be the salary or the term, but whether or not, DL is willing to give him a NMC. Think about it, if DL begrudgingly gave into Kopi's demands (which is more than likely), DL may eventually try and move Kopi down the road, since his trade value has significantly increased.
 
I hope what happened to Chicago happens to LA, because Chicago had to get rid of some good players. And they still could lose Brent Seabrook also. If Kopitar is going to be making as much money as Toews he needs to be in the top 8 in scoring.
 
sinister6000 said:
I hope what happened to Chicago happens to LA, because Chicago had to get rid of some good players. And they still could lose Brent Seabrook also. If Kopitar is going to be making as much money as Toews he needs to be in the top 8 in scoring.
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Unfortunately that's not how it works with free agency, and that's why the players, in all sports, have wanted it for so long. A guy like Kopitar, even if the cap doesn't go up, is the kind of player that has all the leverage. He's not going to be signing any PTO's next August. Any GM that wants him will find room for him.
 
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