Knowing what we know - who do you draft in a re-draft? 18 yr old Crosby or 18 yr old McDavid?

Who do you take in a re-draft - 18yr old Crosby vs 18 yr old McDavid


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Video Nasty

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You obv have never played hockey or know anything about the sport which is about WINNING. Crosby has won at every level of f***ing hockey he's ever played while always bringing home playoff mvps. McDavid is not a winner period

It’s interesting to think that there was once a version of this guy who didn’t actually believe this while Lemieux and the Penguins missed the playoffs 5 times in his first 6 seasons in a league where all but 5 teams qualified for the playoffs and was in the midst of missing 54 out of 80 games in 1990-1991 before the Cup run. I really doubt you waited to put him above Gretzky prior to the Cup wins.

It’s almost as if he had a team good enough to win a division title and make the playoffs while sustaining him missing nearly half of the schedule in both Cup years as well as 6 playoff games during the repeat run.

The team around the superstar still needs to be good enough to help give that superstar the chance to elevate them to the championship.

You know that the Oilers goaltending has failed McDavid and the rest tremendously.
 

um

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Very different scenarios.

The difference between Crosby and McDavid's on-ice ability is largely marginal and the difference in hardware mostly comes down to health. Last year is the only full season in McDavid's career that is clearly better than anything from Sid, even when you account for scoring differences. But the way people talk about McDavid's offense, you'd think he was in the midst of a Gretzky-like prime putting up these totals year-over-year. He's not (or, at least, there's no way of knowing this until he keeps it up for another 6-7 years) and just about lost out on the previous year's scoring race to Gaudreau and Huberdeau.

When there isn't much separating two players (as was also the case in the Sid vs. OV debate), the little things matter. The problem was that Toews was nowhere near Crosby's level and it became a running joke that the hockey hipsters of the late 00s/early-10s would use defense to make up for a massive difference in offensive ability.
The injuries argument was an okay point a few years ago, but McDavid has blown out Crosby these last few years.

Not only does he have the more dominant seasons, he’s had way more dominant seasons.
 

Nathaniel Skywalker

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The injuries argument was an okay point a few years ago, but McDavid has blown out Crosby these last few years.

Not only does he have the more dominant seasons, he’s had way more dominant seasons.
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Flair Hay

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Crosbys teams finished top 5 in the league 7 times and top 10 fourteen times. Made the playoffs 16 times.

McDavids teams have made the playoffs 5 times and finished top 10 twice, top 5 never.

Crosby had better teams. Its not close.

Pittsburgh was a tire fire when he arrived but they figured their shit out quick

Edmonton still hasn't put together a club as good as Crosby's 3rd year
 

Flair Hay

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I wonder who or what the biggest catalyst for that was.

Things that make you go hmmm.

Any NHL fan knows the difference in the two situations, come on.

If we are nitpicking between legends that are the best of their seperate generations, supporting cast is going to be a big part of it
 
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Voodoo Child

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McDavid is a reel but Crosby is far more complete - harder down low and adaptable versus just being really really fast.

I hope I don’t have to say what everyone is thinking but Golden Goal - fluky but it still crossed the line and two Conns (Philly should have got the first).

Do you like this supermodel, or that one? That’s what this is. Crosby by a nose.
 

Tad Mikowsky

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You obv have never played hockey or know anything about the sport which is about WINNING. Crosby has won at every level of f***ing hockey he's ever played while always bringing home playoff mvps. McDavid is not a winner period

He’s not “always” bringing home playoff mvps.

Please. The closest thing to the show for you is clinging onto your Sidney body pillow.

Henri Richard> Crosby right? After all, he knows WINNING more than Crosby.
 

authentic

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Probably because he'll be 36 this year.

Aging.

It's this magical force that eventually retires every pro athlete.

All while working on his 19th straight year above a PPG and being voted by the players as the best all around player.

Crosby stopped competing as the best player long ago due to concussions and a pretty bad wrist injury. He would've aged even better and probably remained the best player for longer under better circumstances.

Crosby's trophy case is not indicative of his level of play. Without injuries he also has 5 art rosses. There's a reason why he's ranked ahead of Jagr despite Jagr having 5 art rosses.

He could've had as many as 7 or 8 Art Rosses really, but 5 at the very least.
 
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Skolman

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Crosby's trophy case is not indicative of his level of play. Without injuries he also has 5 art rosses. There's a reason why he's ranked ahead of Jagr despite Jagr having 5 art rosses.
What years are you certain he wins the Art Ross where he didn't? Just curious
 

BraveCanadian

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Not to be disrespectful to Sid. But I'm shocked McDavid isn't winning 90%-10%

A lot of this board just spent that past 15 years jumping through all kinds of hoops to anoint Crosby the greatest player ever by giving a huge amount of credit to the "modern game", coulda shoulda wouldas about injuries, on pace and PPG argument blah blah blah.

It is going to take some time for them to realize, as good as Crosby was/is, there were better players before him and after him. Not to take him down too much or anything because he's a slam dunk first ballot hall of famer and all that.. but McDavid is on a different level.
 

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