Kitchener Rangers 2023-24 Season Thread (Part 3)

[LDN]

I still don't see this trade posted. Maybe the Hunters are still talking? LOL!

Just likely driving the price up…

 

[Matttheleaf]

Rehkopf is back Saturday, mesar next week.

I'm assuming Mesar is spending some time in europe with his family perhaps?

 

[Krangers08]

I'm assuming Mesar is spending some time in europe with his family perhaps?

Probably or just decided to take a vacation

 

[Jives]

Kitchener missing Mesar, Martin and Rehkopf. Saginaw missing of importance Dionicio and Sapovaliv (maybe more as I don’t know their team that well).

Parsons was Parsons. We got completely outplayed in the 2nd and 3rd but Parsons gave us a chance to win.

The thing I noticed the most is the forward group isn’t enough. I still think we need 2 more 3rd line players. I saw 1 line today and Lam. The 4th line (Pug, Mercer, Bott) are fine but can’t step up to a 3rd line for a contender. It’s a very solid 4th line.

Swick - Razor - Mesar
Martin - Sop - Misa/Lam
xxxxx - xxxxx - Misa/Lam
Pug - Mercer - Bott/Ellinas
Ex. Romano, Stark

I’m completely fine with an import (3rd and 4th cost ballpark but I think it’s going to cost a touch more) and then a vet 19 year old. I totally see Bott or Ellinas being traded to get this.

The D…yes we 100% need a 3/4 guy and then probably a 5/6 vet. I like Reid a lot. I like Campbell. It would be tough to ride both into a long playoff ride. Campbell I’m sure is pretty happy with his ice time this year but I think he is the healthy scratch come Jan 10 (or atleast I hope because we add 2D). He would be a very solid 7th D. He will get so much ice time next year with Hunter, Motew and whoever we acquire moving on. Hopefully he can ride it out and sees the long term growth he could have here in the years to come.

Import F - 3rd and 4th
F - Bott or Ellinas and 4th and Morey (yes not worth much but just out loading a F)
3/4 dman - 2nd, 3rd, 4th
5/6 dman - 4th , 4th, Scott (see Morey comment)

With these ballpark trade values we hold on to ALL 2024 draft picks we have (to build around our strong 2007 core) and don’t move any of our 2007 young core.

 

[Krangers08]

doesn’t there have to be a 12 month gap for a player to be traded or is that only to the team they came from

 

[Jives]

doesn’t there have to be a 12 month gap for a player to be traded or is that only to the team they came from

Vandenberg.

 

[Krangers08]

Vandenberg.

Ahh yea you’re right thanks . JB mention it’s to the same

 

[frontsfan67]

Kitchener missing Mesar, Martin and Rehkopf. Saginaw missing of importance Dionicio and Sapovaliv (maybe more as I don’t know their team that well).

Parsons was Parsons. We got completely outplayed in the 2nd and 3rd but Parsons gave us a chance to win.

The thing I noticed the most is the forward group isn’t enough. I still think we need 2 more 3rd line players. I saw 1 line today and Lam. The 4th line (Pug, Mercer, Bott) are fine but can’t step up to a 3rd line for a contender. It’s a very solid 4th line.

Swick - Razor - Mesar
Martin - Sop - Misa/Lam
xxxxx - xxxxx - Misa/Lam
Pug - Mercer - Bott/Ellinas
Ex. Romano, Stark

I’m completely fine with an import (3rd and 4th cost ballpark but I think it’s going to cost a touch more) and then a vet 19 year old. I totally see Bott or Ellinas being traded to get this.

The D…yes we 100% need a 3/4 guy and then probably a 5/6 vet. I like Reid a lot. I like Campbell. It would be tough to ride both into a long playoff ride. Campbell I’m sure is pretty happy with his ice time this year but I think he is the healthy scratch come Jan 10 (or atleast I hope because we add 2D). He would be a very solid 7th D. He will get so much ice time next year with Hunter, Motew and whoever we acquire moving on. Hopefully he can ride it out and sees the long term growth he could have here in the years to come.

Import F - 3rd and 4th
F - Bott or Ellinas and 4th and Morey (yes not worth much but just out loading a F)
3/4 dman - 2nd, 3rd, 4th
5/6 dman - 4th , 4th, Scott (see Morey comment)

With these ballpark trade values we hold on to ALL 2024 draft picks we have (to build around our strong 2007 core) and don’t move any of our 2007 young core.

Neither Misa is getting traded this year or next lol

 

[Krangers08]

Neither Misa is getting traded this year or next lol

He’s referring to Misaljevic

 

[EvenSteven]

doesn’t there have to be a 12 month gap for a player to be traded or is that only to the team they came from

It’s the 13 month rule. A player cannot be traded back to a team he was traded from inside of a 13 month window. Even in a three team deal. This rule was brought in because teams would pretty much loan players to teams for playoff runs only to get them back the next season.

It happened here in the 1990 playoff run. Windsor traded us Jason York for that run and we traded him back in the off season. All prearranged obviously.

I believe it was after that situation that the 13 month rule came about.

The only way a player can find his way back to a team he played on inside the 13 month window is via waivers.

 

[EvenSteven]

Kitchener missing Mesar, Martin and Rehkopf. Saginaw missing of importance Dionicio and Sapovaliv (maybe more as I don’t know their team that well).

Parsons was Parsons. We got completely outplayed in the 2nd and 3rd but Parsons gave us a chance to win.

The thing I noticed the most is the forward group isn’t enough. I still think we need 2 more 3rd line players. I saw 1 line today and Lam. The 4th line (Pug, Mercer, Bott) are fine but can’t step up to a 3rd line for a contender. It’s a very solid 4th line.

Swick - Razor - Mesar
Martin - Sop - Misa/Lam
xxxxx - xxxxx - Misa/Lam
Pug - Mercer - Bott/Ellinas
Ex. Romano, Stark

I’m completely fine with an import (3rd and 4th cost ballpark but I think it’s going to cost a touch more) and then a vet 19 year old. I totally see Bott or Ellinas being traded to get this.

The D…yes we 100% need a 3/4 guy and then probably a 5/6 vet. I like Reid a lot. I like Campbell. It would be tough to ride both into a long playoff ride. Campbell I’m sure is pretty happy with his ice time this year but I think he is the healthy scratch come Jan 10 (or atleast I hope because we add 2D). He would be a very solid 7th D. He will get so much ice time next year with Hunter, Motew and whoever we acquire moving on. Hopefully he can ride it out and sees the long term growth he could have here in the years to come.

Import F - 3rd and 4th
F - Bott or Ellinas and 4th and Morey (yes not worth much but just out loading a F)
3/4 dman - 2nd, 3rd, 4th
5/6 dman - 4th , 4th, Scott (see Morey comment)

With these ballpark trade values we hold on to ALL 2024 draft picks we have (to build around our strong 2007 core) and don’t move any of our 2007 young core.

I think it might make sense to swap out Scott for Campbell to up the quality of that other D man.

That could happen seamlessly since the addition of Dirracolo.

Brzustewicz. Andonovski.
Motew. D Man.
D Man Reid.
Dirracolo. Scott.

That’s solid.


Also, most times, teams usually ask for a conditional pick or two should the player we’re trading for play an OA season the following year. In your scenario, except for the import player, the other additions could be OA candidates next year and teams would want conditions over what you’ve sent them in the deal. We can’t do that. We won’t have the picks.

I would suggest that instead of conditions, the deal becomes a two parter where in the off season, they get an 04 OA off our roster for minimal return.

Example:
In your scenario, you send one of Ellinas/Bottineau, Morey, and a fourth for a F. To up the value of that forward a little and address the lack of picks available to add a conditional one, in the off season we send them, say, Swick for a 6th. Also, because there is a very good possibility that Swick is one of the top OA’s next year, perhaps in the first half of the deal, a 3rd’24 comes our way along with the player we’re trading for.

Hey, we already have way more OA candidates than we’ll need going into next year before any 04’s we’d pick up at the deadline (Swick. Miseljevic. Pugliese. Parsons. Malboeuf). If we moved two or three in this manner, it would only make life easier next year getting down to three. And since next year is a sell off year, we shouldn’t be so concerned of the quality of OA we use past the ‘25 deadline. We’d be selling the quality OA’s as part of the rebuild, we’d just be getting a lot of the value today.

This is another way we can get creative.

 

[bobber]

Rangers were flat yesterday. Outshot 33-13. 13 shots in their own barn is not acceptable. Not sure where MM gets all the parts to turn this into a solid contender this year if they put up a stinker like they did in this game. No excuses as both teams had players missing. Jussi said after they made far too many passes looking for the perfect goal. Parsons kept this game close. Did the coaches even pull the players over and rip them a new one to get them going? Rogers was down in our area for half the game. When you see solid teams like Saggy and the Soo as examples they are the prototype of where you need to be as a contender. Winning an OHL title is like Weight Watchers. A fat chance to get slim. MM tried to make a silk purse out of a sows ear last year. See what he comes up with this time around.

 

[SSMHoundsFan]

I realize we were missing a complete #1 line tonight, but that was our defense. Unless we add a stud shutdown guy that plays a lot of minutes I don't think we can get by the Sags or London in the 2nd round if we don't finish first

I think what last night showed is truly how much depth this Rangers team has beyond its first line. Same could be said for the Hounds game vs the Rangers last month. Could call it a one off but was expecting a far better performance from your club despite being shorthanded...

 

[EvenSteven]

A big reason for the low shot total last night was our guys trying to get too pretty and the defense of Saginaw. Jussi said as much post game. He said they addressed it in the intermission but it continued in the 3rd.

When you have a three on one and don’t register a shot?

Look for that to get fixed before next game.

 

[EvenSteven]

I think what last night showed is truly how much depth this Rangers team has beyond its first line. Same could be said for the Hounds game vs the Rangers last month. Could call it a one off but was expecting a far better performance from your club despite being shorthanded...

Truth be told, when everyone is back, we’ll have a very good top six. Scoring is spread quite nice across those top six.

What we need is depth for the third line and a couple of good stay at home D.

 

[Rangers True Blue]

Brown reports that Rehkopf is back in Canada and will join the team this weekend. Mesar is staying on in Europe for a bit and then returns for Erie.

Fake rumour.....and dream of course....Mesar will drop in to see the Pobezal family and bring Tomas back with him....

 

[EvenSteven]

Should Ottawa decide to sell, and they might since they were all in last year and are starting a slide down the standings, we should be able to afford a couple of their secondary vets who would help address our depth?

LW- Will Gerrior. 5’10” 174lbs
14-11-25 in 34GP

LD- Matthew Mayich. 6’2” 197lbs
1-7-8 in 32GP. 6th round StL.

 

[SSMHoundsFan]

Truth be told, when everyone is back, we’ll have a very good top six. Scoring is spread quite nice across those top six.

What we need is depth for the third line and a couple of good stay at home D.

I am guessing that more than Rehkopf and Mesar was out of the lineup then last night...

 

[EvenSteven]

I am guessing that more than Rehkopf and Mesar was out of the lineup then last night...

OA LW Martin. He was on a 40 goal pace before the injury. Skating again now and should be back early in the new year.

 

[RangerNation]

I am guessing that more than Rehkopf and Mesar was out of the lineup then last night...

They still haven't replaced Schmidt either from the trade. They signed FA but that isn't for any sort of run this year. It's the 3rd line that needs to be addressed. Prior to Rehkopf and Mesar leaving, Rangers had 3 solid lines that complimented each other perfectly (1st, 2nd, 4th), to the point where Jussi rolled all 4 lines all game, no matter the situation. Mess that up, and you get a 4-3 record over WJC and some pretty messy hockey.

Still, the fact this team is even in this position to be critiqued for it's depth sitting at 1st place is wild. What a weird season. Silver lining last night, 2 rookies scored. Lam is a stud.

 

[bobber]

Truth be told, when everyone is back, we’ll have a very good top six. Scoring is spread quite nice across those top six.

What we need is depth for the third line and a couple of good stay at home D.

Good points Even. Rangers didn't fluke their way to first place at the deadline. They have some of the best forwards in the league on the top two lines who have been at the top of the point stats all season. The Soo and Saggy are built for a run with a lot of vets this season. Rangers are actually one of the youngest teams( 4th youngest) I believe in the OHL. At this point MM has a huge challenge and some big decisions to make going forward. Side note: Rangers could have won the game last night with a little luck and a little less fancy passing. Wasn't overly impressed with Saginaw who is hosting this season at this point. They will get stronger with trades along with other squads going forward.

 

[HockeyPops]

I think it’s enough to get 4 players without touching the 2024 picks and 2007s. Might have to dip into 2024 picks but I see no way the 2007s need to be touched. We can always recoup the 2024 2nd if we make a trade for one of our returning players in the offseason.

Offseason trades for players can only be made after the priority selection. Picks only trades can be made before the priority selection.

 

[EvenSteven]

Offseason trades for players can only be made after the priority selection. Picks only trades can be made before the priority selection.

And, you can’t trade for the player a team selected after the first round of the ‘24 draft until after the ‘25 draft.

 

[Rangers True Blue]

I think that slew foot major will come back. He had Parekh up high pulling him back but no foot or leg used behind Parekh’s skates or legs to take him down.

Agreed. Totally bogus call. A slew foot is basically a foot sweep in Judo and trust me, that was no foot sweep.

 

[Jives]

I have not seen the reply but live sitting right in that corner as soon as he did it I thought slewfoot and suspension.