Rob Sense
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he meant biggest not oldest!Perry,Staal,Armia not even 20 months ago
Player Discussion Kirby Dach: Welcome to Montreal
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You can’t trade for centers in this league
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Based on every player with the same stats and pedigree that signed lately? I don't see how right it is.
Kaako?
But he only signed for 2 years.
Edit - Pavel Zacha just signed a 1yr 3.5M deal, he's produced 32, 35 & 36pts the last 3 seasons. He's also 4 years older.
So if this reported 4yr/3.5M per year deal is accurate, again, I don't see what the issue is.
You're not paying these players for what they've accomplished so far, you're paying them on a projection of where you think they might be going over the next few years.
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Redux91
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They changed the habs in one season. Adding big and skilled player. Sean M, Juraj S and Kirby D in one summer. WOW!
Same with our Defensemen.
VirginiaMtlExpat
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I agree with this view. I'd like to see a large-format prospect with a bit more p*ss and vinegar who can play top-9 though, ideally top 6 (maybe trade for one). I would not want the three forwards you mentioned to be goaded into fighting, same for the top three, swift-skating towering defenseman prospects.
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Thing is, if he's what the Habs think he is (and stands to reason they believe he is, since they wouldn't have traded for him), then this approach will just mean you'd have to negotiate a longer term, more costly deal 2 years from now.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think that's necessarily a bad approach, I was convinced 2 years was what both sides wanted to do (and maybe it still is).
But there's a form of risk/reward and pros/cons with whatever approach you take.
OldCraig71
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He has only produced 26 points twice in his NHL career and the Hawks didn't see him as part of their rebuilding future and he's just 21 years old. I would be cautious with this player and give him a show-me contract and see how it unfolds he hasn't done enough to warrant a long-term commitment.
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Yeah that was my thinking...but there's risk in that approach as well.
If he pans out like you think he will, which again, is safe to presume that's how's the team feels it will unfold...then it's going to cost you probably double that annual salary (6.5-7M/yr) 2yrs from now if you sign him to a bridge deal today.
Like I said, there are pros and cons to either scenario...but like i said in a subsquent post, this is less about what he's done so far and more about where you think he's going to be in a few years.
Pavel Zacha just signed a 1yr 3.5M deal and he's 4yrs older and coming off a career high 36pts.
If Dach were to sign this 4yr deal @ 3.5M at 21yrs old and coming off what is basically 2 back to back 26pt seasons.
I'd say the value is about right.
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OldCraig71
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I think that a cautious approach is better especially since they drafted him 3rd overall and were willing to part ways with him so soon. It's sort of like us not matching the KK offer sheet, just not enough upside for where he was picked and the Hawks must have had similar feelings about Dach. KK is looking like a 3rd liner albeit early in his career and I wouldn't want to see us make a long-term commitment to a similar player results-wise anyway. 2.5 for 2 years is what they should give him and hope that he breaks out.
Like I said...my original thinking was that signing a 2 year bridge deal right around 2M just made too much sense for all parties.
It gives Dach enough time to show and prove.
it gives the Habs more information for his next contract.
But if the player (Dach) is willing to afford the Habs some cost certainty over the next 4 years AND the team is willing to pay him a higher salary than what he's currently worth....
Then everyone's happy.
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You don't pull the moves the Montreal Canadiens did to get Dach if you want to be 'cautious' about him. Considering what they gave up for him, they shouldn't be considering him a reclamation project. With that perspective in mind, 3.5 for 4 years would definitely be the better move to make as opposed to a two-year bridge. It's 3.5, for heaven's sake.
There's always fretting over the salary dollars players sign...but it's not like these numbers are darts thrown against a board (well for the most part i'd say).
Redux91
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I obviously should of specified "Kirby's Potential" lol
While I agree over 4 years, it could be worse than 3.5M if he becomes a 50 pt player by year 2 of the deal
But I'm not crazy about that coupling of exact price and term RIGHT off the bat..
I like him a lot sure but there are still concerns let's be real.. I'm not blind to the fact that his year 3 production is beyond worrisome, and I just have to truly hope what i believe are the real reasons he had such a bad year are true and weve discussed them all summer and hopefully he's looking at a breakthrough season
Hopefully when we see him in games all the worries will be alleviated, but I'm also hoping by then the imminent contract announcement looks a tad better than 4×3.5M still
I would have preferred a 2x2 bridge deal if the alternatives were either a 2x2 bridge or a long-term deal at a much higher number, but a 4x3.5M is absolutely preferable as a compromise between both of those alternatives.
Montreal pays a little more in years 1 and 2 where ultimate cap efficiency is largely irrelevant, and in exchange gets Dach's age 24 and 25 seasons locked in at a number that is perfectly acceptable on the low end of Dach's projection, and could be an absolute steal if he is able to take a step over the next two years and develop into a legitimate 2C or better at that 3.5M price point. He's an RFA on expiry too, and you're perfectly set up to either extend him through age 26-33, or trade him with that RFA control so you get full value.
Even If he doesn't really take that step, it's still going to be a perfectly acceptable deal in the last two years. I can definitely understand why people would be skeptical that he can develop into a legitimate 2C or better, but 3.5M is middling 3C money and I find it hard to believe that Dach can't at minimum stick around as a middling 3C and live up to that number.
Montreal pays a little more in years 1 and 2 where ultimate cap efficiency is largely irrelevant, and in exchange gets Dach's age 24 and 25 seasons locked in at a number that is perfectly acceptable on the low end of Dach's projection, and could be an absolute steal if he is able to take a step over the next two years and develop into a legitimate 2C or better at that 3.5M price point. He's an RFA on expiry too, and you're perfectly set up to either extend him through age 26-33, or trade him with that RFA control so you get full value.
Even If he doesn't really take that step, it's still going to be a perfectly acceptable deal in the last two years. I can definitely understand why people would be skeptical that he can develop into a legitimate 2C or better, but 3.5M is middling 3C money and I find it hard to believe that Dach can't at minimum stick around as a middling 3C and live up to that number.
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Sheldon souray came back from a wrist issue that alsmost ended his career. We used to joke that it was a bionic wrsit because before the surgery, he could never hit the net with his hard shot. Then he came back and couldn't miss.
CristianoRonaldo
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I don't believe in him that much, I was against the trade #13 pick for Dach, but I would give him 4 years at 3.5M... If we are lucky, he may explode soon.
Catanddogguitarrr
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Dach is the most intriging new player with the Habs with Matheson. He is like the wild card. Maybe he's gonna be a nice surprice or a mistake, I don't know. I have no hopes with Dadonov and Hoffman. Maybe Gallagher can bounce back, same with Dvorak. Maybe. Maybe Drouin too and maybe Armia too. But I don't really expect any miracle with the names mentioned.
Catanddogguitarrr
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Looks like there are rare cases of a good wrist surgery. Souray may be a rare exception. Same with knee, foot and hip.
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