Player Discussion Kirby Dach: Welcome to Montreal

[LaP]

The 13th overall pick from this past draft has roughly a 50/50 chance at being an NHLer (probably less) and even if he does, is likely to be at a similar developmental point as Dach is currently on now at 21, when they're the same age.

The only reason why anyone would think the 13th > Dach is because we haven't had the chance to see whatever flaws that 13th overall pick has yet.

Shiny new toy...

The chance for this 13th overall to look better that Dach at the same age are very low. People act like Dach is 22-23. It's going to be an important season for him next year but we are not there yet.

 

[NORiculous]

Would you have given that to get KK who has better stats than him (on average) ? And it is not two late round picks but the very first of round 3, and another one under 100 of round 4.


A damaged 3rd line center at best if everything turns right. While we gave a young, dynamic, healthy, top-4 d-man.

Will see. A lot depends on how the injury heals and how he is going to rehab it.

CHI is actually a mess right now, so there is no reason not to be hopeful. I mean I was totally shocked when the trade went down but after letting it sink in a bit, I think that if ever Dach does work out, it will be a home run because his ceiling is huge.

It could flop, yes. But in any case, a top 5 pick next year is in the cards right now. Specially when some forwards (Anderson/Dvorak/etc.) are traded (too many right now).

Time will tell but I am starting to think that Dach might be worth the swing. Habs specifically said they did their homework on him.

When I look at clips, he has flashes but also looks clumsy (which happens with bigger guys until they fill out. ) He still needs at least 3 years (yep), which is kinda good since that is at least what the Habs need to rebuild properly.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Here is what chicago fans told me in the last 2 days about him and things i know by watching him play.

-Heavy wrist injury
-Absolute terrible at taking faceoffs
-Average speed at best.
-Struggle defensively
-Barely use his big body
-Struggle to fight on the board
-Good shot but doesnt use it often
-Decent passing
-Hawks saying he would fit more on the wings.
-had all the chance on the pp and best players like Kane to play with and still couldnt grow up.

No matter how you see this , this screams like a 3rd line player for a 13th/Romanov , this is bad.

 

[1909]

Here is what chicago fans told me in the last 2 days about him and things i know by watching him play.

-Heavy wrist injury
-Absolute terrible at taking faceoffs
-Average speed at best.
-Struggle defensively
-Barely use his big body
-Struggle to fight on the board
-Good shot but doesnt use it often
-Decent passing
-Hawks saying he would fit more on the wings.
-had all the chance on the pp and best players like Kane to play with and still couldnt grow up.

No matter how you see this , this screams like a 3rd line player for a 13th/Romanov , this is bad.

No better than Dvorak for sure.

 

[NORiculous]

Here is what chicago fans told me in the last 2 days about him and things i know by watching him play.

-Heavy wrist injury
-Absolute terrible at taking faceoffs
-Average speed at best.
-Struggle defensively
-Barely use his big body
-Struggle to fight on the board
-Good shot but doesnt use it often
-Decent passing
-Hawks saying he would fit more on the wings.
-had all the chance on the pp and best players like Kane to play with and still couldnt grow up.

No matter how you see this , this screams like a 3rd line player for a 13th/Romanov , this is bad.

He is still 3 years away. Needs time to fill his body. Habs aren’t contending in the next 3 years so it’s fine. All we need to see is progress.

 

[Rob Sense]

I was sceptical when trade was announced but the more i read the more i think the kid needs time and proper development.

The mishandling of Kirby Dach

When the lottery commenced ahead of the 2019 NHL Entry Draft, the Chicago Blackhawks had a 3.0% chance to select within the top three picks. Fortune seemed on Chicago’s side when they, the New Jersey Devils and the New York Rangers were announced to be the teams to selected in the top three.

www.the-rink.com

Why I Still Believe in Kirby Dach

Look, I am known by friends and family to be quite the optimist. So let me just get that out there now. I try my best to look at all situations with rose-colore

blackhawkup.com

 

[Runner77]

Oh f***! It’s a Colles fracture… It can produce long-lasting symptoms of reduction of range of motion, adhesion of tendons or chronic pain… not the best fracture in the wrist for an athlete (hockey)

Are you a real doctor or a HF wannabe medic?

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Are you a real doctor or a HF wannabe medic?

He graduated Dr. Reechi's class

 

[Runner77]

He graduated Dr. Reechi's class

There will be no attending movie theatres while rehabbing, then.

 

[Legend123]

The 13th overall pick from this past draft has roughly a 50/50 chance at being an NHLer (probably less) and even if he does, is likely to be at a similar developmental point as Dach is currently on now at 21, when they're the same age.

The only reason why anyone would think the 13th > Dach is because we haven't had the chance to see whatever flaws that 13th overall pick has yet.

Shiny new toy...

No it's not. You can't force things to fit toyr narrative. It reminds me of when tge oilers threw away the pics that ended up veing barzal for reinhart, a player clearly in heavy decline since his draft

Drafting 13oa would be a do over and fits our window better by being 3 years younger.

MSL will be great for this kid too
Confidence and the right coaching changed the world for Caufield and it will for Dach too
The habs are now moving forward with a plan to better develop these kids
Moving on from clown choices and behaviors by guys like Therrien Bergevin Sly etc

Surely you guys see this happening to the organization also?
Better days ahead folks

That's big hope and less proving. Msl can't save everyone

 

[DrBizz4r3]

Are you a real doctor or a HF wannabe medic?

Real doctor, but i wish i had a course with Dr.Recchi. His correlation between movie night and concussion puzzle the medical world

 

[VirginiaMtlExpat]

I was sceptical when trade was announced but the more i read the more i think the kid needs time and proper development.

The mishandling of Kirby Dach

When the lottery commenced ahead of the 2019 NHL Entry Draft, the Chicago Blackhawks had a 3.0% chance to select within the top three picks. Fortune seemed on Chicago’s side when they, the New Jersey Devils and the New York Rangers were announced to be the teams to selected in the top three.

www.the-rink.com

Why I Still Believe in Kirby Dach

Look, I am known by friends and family to be quite the optimist. So let me just get that out there now. I try my best to look at all situations with rose-colore

blackhawkup.com

Like I said elsewhere, he may also need more physiotherapy on his wrist, including dry needling to deal with inflammation, scar tissue and adhesions. And ideally, no more surgery if at all avoidable.

 

[417]

No it's not. You can't force things to fit toyr narrative. It reminds me of when tge oilers threw away the pics that ended up veing barzal for reinhart, a player clearly in heavy decline since his draft

Drafting 13oa would be a do over and fits our window better by being 3 years younger.

I'm sure I can find some busts who ended being picked around 13 too...that's not really the point.

Dach isn't that far removed from being a 3rd pick himself..I mean he's 21, how does he not fit in our window?

It's basically like having a slightly more mature 13th overall to work with.

There's risk involved in either scenario.

 

[ProMath]

No it's not. You can't force things to fit toyr narrative. It reminds me of when tge oilers threw away the pics that ended up veing barzal for reinhart, a player clearly in heavy decline since his draft

Drafting 13oa would be a do over and fits our window better by being 3 years younger.


That's big hope and less proving. Msl can't save everyone

What do you think the odds of a 13th Overall pick are ?

I'm not sure it is a good trade...but 13th overall a far from a sure thing.

That trade is an interesting Gamble and will weigth highly in the HuGo evaluation in 4-5 years.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Real doctor, but i wish i had a course with Dr.Recchi. His correlation between movie night and concussion puzzle the medical world

Tell us more then, about Dach's injury, its ramifications?

 

[BLONG7]

No it's not. You can't force things to fit toyr narrative. It reminds me of when tge oilers threw away the pics that ended up veing barzal for reinhart, a player clearly in heavy decline since his draft

Drafting 13oa would be a do over and fits our window better by being 3 years younger.


That's big hope and less proving. Msl can't save everyone

Luckily for us, MSL doesn't have to save everyone....

 

[HuGo Sham]

Real doctor, but i wish i had a course with Dr.Recchi. His correlation between movie night and concussion puzzle the medical world

is there a chance his wrist returns to normal functionality? he's only 21

 

[VirginiaMtlExpat]

Like I said elsewhere, he may also need more physiotherapy on his wrist, including dry needling to deal with inflammation, scar tissue and adhesions. And ideally, no more surgery if at all avoidable.

There, I tweeted him about dry needling. He has no excuse to let it fester now. .

 

[Rob Sense]

Like I said elsewhere, he may also need more physiotherapy on his wrist, including dry needling to deal with inflammation, scar tissue and adhesions. And ideally, no more surgery if at all avoidable.

We have no evidence that his wrist is not healed. The injury was over 18 months ago and he played 88 games over 2 seasons plus playoffs. If he is not healed and was forced to play injured then he should sue the blackhawks.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

No better than Dvorak for sure.

That's a straight fact

He is still 3 years away. Needs time to fill his body. Habs aren’t contending in the next 3 years so it’s fine. All we need to see is progress.

The thing is that in 3 years he hasn't progessed . While Romanov did. Yes he's only 21 but I don't see how he involve with our team. If he doesn't make it to the second line , the trade will be a bust.

 

[River Meadow]

First we draft Bustkovsky, and then we trade for Dachbustsky.

#FireHughes

 

[NORiculous]

That's a straight fact

The thing is that in 3 years he hasn't progessed . While Romanov did. Yes he's only 21 but I don't see how he involve with our team. If he doesn't make it to the second line , the trade will be a bust.

There is a huge difference between a guy that is 6 4 because it takes much longer to fill the body. You can’t directly compare them like that.

You can think otherwise but I’m telling you I think he needs 3 more full years. The timeline is fine though, since Habs won’t be competitive before that.

All we need to see till then is progress. If he shows progress for the next 3 years he will breakout, otherwise he won’t and could bust or be a 3rd liner depending on how his game has evolved.

Most big guys take longer. That just how it is and losing patience isn’t the way to go.

 

[Mrb1p]

The 13th overall pick from this past draft has roughly a 50/50 chance at being an NHLer (probably less) and even if he does, is likely to be at a similar developmental point as Dach is currently on now at 21, when they're the same age.

The only reason why anyone would think the 13th > Dach is because we haven't had the chance to see whatever flaws that 13th overall pick has yet.

Shiny new toy...

Nazar doesn't havw a 50% chance of making the NHL. The only thing preventing him from being a top 6er is a lotto ticket for a billion dollars and he retires early.

 

[417]

Nazar doesn't havw a 50% chance of making the NHL. The only thing preventing him from being a top 6er is a lotto ticket for a billion dollars and he retires early.

Maybe...I'm sure there were similar thoughts about Dach when he was drafted 3rd overall.

Point Is, we wouldn't know whether Nazar would become a top 6C anymore (or less) than we do when it comes to Dach.

Nazar's just the shinier toy right now and I get that, but it's not like Dach is some washed up 28yr old either.

It's a gamble, no doubt, but a worthy one to take all things considered, imo.

 

[jaffy27]

We have no evidence that his wrist is not healed. The injury was over 18 months ago and he played 88 games over 2 seasons plus playoffs. If he is not healed and was forced to play injured then he should sue the blackhawks.

Lot of that going on these days….I mean we are talking the BlackHawks here