Player Discussion Kirby Dach: Welcome to Montreal part 2

[CHfan1]

Okay, what's his trade value?

My guess is it would be similar to what Sam Bennett got traded for (Bennett and a 6th for Heineman and a 2nd).

I think Montreal has to be patient with Dach, it typically takes athletes a full season to get back to feeling normal after a torn ACL/MCL.

 

[WeThreeKings]

I'd vote 3rd round pick which isn't much based on his current role with the team. I read some rumors suggesting that Hughes is looking to make a trade. I am curious as to who he is looking to move? Roster players or picks?

Everything that's been said is they aren't interested in doing anything short term and the plan is still the long term vision.

If he were to make a move it would be to sell the pending UFAs and use his picks and prospects to add a veteran D on the right side or a forward with jam, both with some level of term.

 

[Riggins]

For all those who want to get of rid Dach maybe they forgot how good he was getting before the injury .He was argueably our best player at that time.Patience people.It takes time to come back from this type of injury

Agreed, but "best player at that time" included a preseason and less than 4 periods of hockey. Literally one real NHL game.

You do have to give Dach lots of runway to try to figure it out. It's hurting the team bad right now, but that's actually helpful in a tank context. I'm personally not convinced he's even a center.

I strongly disagree with the premise that we're screwed if Dach doesn't figure it out, which Basu has been saying on his podcast. He might end up a middle 6 winger and that's still fine. With all our prospects and draft capital we can trade for a veteran stop gap 2C while we await a Hage and/or another draftee (Hagens or Misa if we're lucky) to take that spot.

 

[CristianoRonaldo]

Oh and Bennett/Reinhart where traded because they where top player on their respective teams?? No... They had red flags or under performing. Bennett was a 4th C/W in Cal.

You are answering your own question, Bennett was buried down lineup and playing with awful teammates, also, Bennett is fine defensively.

Reinhart was the best forward of an atrocious team.

How are these two comparable comparable to Dach ?

 

[Habs]

i can't believe how bad he is, I was rooting for the kid.

 

[CristianoRonaldo]

He’s not a plus plus playmaker. He’s a decent playmaker but when everyone on the ice knows you’re passing the puck, because you have the worst shot in the league, your upside is limited. Plus plus playmakers don’t average 1 assist every 3 games.

Transporting the puck through the neutral zone isn’t good enough to be a 2C on a really good team. You’re describing an average 2C.

We got ourselves a taller version of Desharnais, aren't you happy ?

 

[le_sean]

Here is an audio about it, go to 9min: Martin St-Louis a passé un message hier
It was a radio show, decembre 8th.
(In french)

Well then it’s even more pathetic if it’s true. Guy misses an entire season and can’t bother to put the work in to get in shape before the next one?

 

[Kosseca]

You are answering your own question, Bennett was buried down lineup and playing with awful teammates, also, Bennett is fine defensively.

Reinhart was the best forward of an atrocious team.

How are these two comparable comparable to Dach ?

No he wasn't... he was god awful in Cal...

 

[1909]

For all those who want to get of rid Dach maybe they forgot how good he was getting before the injury .He was argueably our best player at that time.Patience people.It takes time to come back from this type of injury

Right. Some folks have short memory. I was expecting Dach to take 40 games to turn the corner. And I am still expecting it.

 

[Marioesque]

Anybody else playing their way up to that line? nope...you're basically just moving around the undigested berries in bear scat from one side of the pile to the other...it's still shit man

Evans would likely do better.

 

[CristianoRonaldo]

Would be cool if we could do something like Dach for Tuch.

Yes, it would be cool to fleece BUF, like every other team around the league.

 

[KevSkillz4]

If Dach can play like he did against Buffalo for the rest of the season, everything will be fine.

 

[Chose]

Well then it’s even more pathetic if it’s true. Guy misses an entire season and can’t bother to put the work in to get in shape before the next one?

Do you think it is possible for a 22/23 yo to make that mistake, acknowledges the struggle afterward, thinks about his future paydays if he continues that path, and procedes to correct the next summer, or even now, working his ass off ?

I think it is more than possible. Look at how it whipped Joshua Roy in the minors after he dropped bad.

Do you think 3.3M for another season is enough, or do you want 7M per for next 8/10y ?
Then you know what you have to do.

 

[Goalfield13]

If Dach can play like he did against Buffalo for the rest of the season, everything will be fine.

If everyone played like they did against Buffalo, Habs are winning the cup. What a low bar.

 

[Deebs]

If Dach can play like he did against Buffalo for the rest of the season, everything will be fine.

He's been skating better and been more engaged over the past 3-5 games. He's coming along and I think as Laine gets in better shape, they'll start producing 5 v 5. Newhook on their line adds much needed speed. They can let him do the hard work being F1 and then that allows them to create offensively. It's going to take time but they'll get there.

 

[WeThreeKings]

 

[NotProkofievian]

You (and pretty much everyone here) were thrilled with the trade going into last season.

Now all I keep reading from posters: ‘why did we trade for this guy?’

Go back and read this thread from Feb 23 onwards. He’d been with us for a bit and was improving by leaps and bounds. Everyone was thrilled with him and some felt he might even be able to become a number one.

Coming back from what he’s trying to come back from is no joke. He’s been worse than we all expected but the more I read about those injuries the more I realize how difficult it is to bounce back quickly.

Nah, I think the trade was a good idea at the time. But it doesn't look like it's working out. I still think the trade was a good idea even though it looks like it's not working out. The two things are not connected.

When you trade for someone on the basis of potential, you do so with the understanding that it may never be realized.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Nah, I think the trade was a good idea at the time. But it doesn't look like it's working out. I still think the trade was a good idea even though it looks like it's not working out. The two things are not connected.

When you trade for someone on the basis of potential, you do so with the understanding that it may never be realized.

Of course. Injuries get in the way - which is what happened here. I hope Dach recovers but he may never be the player we thought he was going to be.

 

[ReHabs]

Nah, I think the trade was a good idea at the time. But it doesn't look like it's working out. I still think the trade was a good idea even though it looks like it's not working out. The two things are not connected.

When you trade for someone on the basis of potential, you do so with the understanding that it may never be realized.

The thing is, the people making these bets (Hughes, Gorton, Bobrov) all of a sudden look like they got the wrong one on a bunch of them in a short span of time: Barron, Michkov, Dach, Primeau, and Newhook. Could even add ol Marty St Louis as well.

It sure as hell shocked me.

What ever happened to Adam Nicholas the masterful development guru? The new physio staff? The psychiatrists whose recruitment we applauded…? Did they all fail Dach or did Dach fail them? If the latter, do we know if this was the case in CHI where he had a terrible season before getting traded?

 

[Dagistitsyn]

I was so high on Dach, he was one of the reasons I was most excited for this season. Trying to remain patient with him, nice to see him working on his shot.. (thank f***ing god) because it is atrocious in game. Literally zero threat.. non existent. Really hoping it’s just a confidence thing..

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

But he's lazy...

 

[WeThreeKings]

I was so high on Dach, he was one of the reasons I was most excited for this season. Trying to remain patient with him, nice to see him working on his shot.. (thank f***ing god) because it is atrocious in game. Literally zero threat.. non existent. Really hoping it’s just a confidence thing..

What happens most with someone coming back off an injury and then not being successful is usually retreating into the shell of what they are comfortable doing. Dach had to work hard on his shot and use his shot more but being off so long I think the bad habits creeped back into his game.

He has a lot of physical and mental hurdles to overcome before he will start to diversify his game the way he was prior to the injury.

We have nothing but time for the rest of the year.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

What ever happened to Adam Nicholas the masterful development guru? The new physio staff? The psychiatrists whose recruitment we applauded…? Did they all fail Dach or did Dach fail them? If the latter, do we know if this was the case in CHI where he had a terrible season before getting traded?

Right... because somebody has to have failed here. It couldn't possibly be that the guy suffered a brutal injury that takes a lot of recovery time. And it also couldn't possibly be that he'll ever be any better than he is now.

Let's start a thread on who's to blame.

 

[NotProkofievian]

But he's lazy...

Someone's easily impressed.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Someone's easily impressed.

I just think that we've seen this movie before. A player gets hurt, doesn't play well and immediately gets called out for lack of effort.

The guy's coming back from a catastrophic injury. It's clearly f***ed him up and as I said to you, he may never really recover. But that doesn't mean the guy's not working to get back to where he was.

If he doesn't come back, so be it. We'll have to see. But this isn't a case of a guy who doesn't give a shit.