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Player Discussion Kirby Dach: Welcome to Montreal part 2

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Lafleurs Guy said:
I just think that we've seen this movie before. A player gets hurt, doesn't play well and immediately gets called out for lack of effort.

The guy's coming back from a catastrophic injury. It's clearly f***ed him up and as I said to you, he may never really recover. But that doesn't mean the guy's not working to get back to where he was.

If he doesn't come back, so be it. We'll have to see. But this isn't a case of a guy who doesn't give a shit.
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It's not.. but hey, who better to judge a professional athlete and their desire to improve more than a bunch of dudes with beer guts tapping the keys on a laptop.
 
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The Gr8 Dane said:
Wish I could like this a thousand times , who cares Dach and Newhook are the side project not the main one , Dach has time to figure things out and if he can't its not the end of the world.
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Dach was most definitely not a side project.

Given the fact that our captain was never really projected to become a top-10, premiere NHL centerman, Dach was quite obviously acquired to fill the role of a 1B C, with the objective of making us sufficiently strong down the middle on aggregate.

This not working out is certainly not the end of the world, but it puts a major dent in our rebuild. Let's not fool ourselves that it's a no biggie.
 
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Kakko only got a 3rd. No point in trading him until the end of this contract unless you can gamble on something better.

Still think he has a 3 line winger floor
 
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WeThreeKings said:
It's not.. but hey, who better to judge a professional athlete and their desire to improve more than a bunch of dudes with beer guts tapping the keys on a laptop.
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how dare you

I would never type on some normie laptop keyboard. I use a custom made mechanical keyboard with CherryMX Red switches and sound dampening, 0.4mm travel reduction, 40A-R blue o-rings.

I'm a pro at judging professionnal athletes. I ain't no amateur
 
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Like I said before, the not training well in the offseason is a mixed blessing. It gives us a real reason why he isn’t playing well. But it’s obviously not a great reason lol.

Is there anything in these interviews of him saying why he didn’t train?

Pure speculation would lend me to think he was bummed. It’s understandable but obviously we’d all rather he came back in primo shape. That’s the mindset we’d all want him to have.

He probably would’ve had a rough time even if he was in shape but being overweight will make it worse.

The sheer amount of injuries probably f***ed with his head. I think he’s in a good environment to work through whatever he’s going through.

I just hope he stays healthy. If that can happen I think he’ll figure it out and be a helluva player
 
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Archijerej said:
Dach was most definitely not a side project.

Given the fact that our captain was never really projected to become a top-10, premiere NHL centerman, Dach was quite obviously acquired to fill the role of a 1B C, with the objective of making us sufficiently strong down the middle on aggregate.

This not working out is certainly not the end of the world, but it puts a major dent in our rebuild. Let's not full ourselves that it's a no biggie.
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Beck’s question mark-y as a top 6 C but if he has Laine and Demidov flanking him I’m sure he could do just fine. At least he’d be a fine stop gap for Hage who easily has #2C upside and probably only has another year of college after this one.

Honestly it might be totally fine. I do generally agree with you. It would sting but are plan Bs and Cs are pretty promising
 
dackelljuneaubulis02 said:
Like I said before, the not training well in the offseason is a mixed blessing. It gives us a real reason why he isn’t playing well. But it’s obviously not a great reason lol.

Is there anything in these interviews of him saying why he didn’t train?

Pure speculation would lend me to think he was bummed. It’s understandable but obviously we’d all rather he came back in primo shape. That’s the mindset we’d all want him to have.

He probably would’ve had a rough time even if he was in shape but being overweight will make it worse.

The sheer amount of injuries probably f***ed with his head. I think he’s in a good environment to work through whatever he’s going through.

I just hope he stays healthy. If that can happen I think he’ll figure it out and be a helluva player
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It's not that he didn't train, I think he was hyper focused on rehabbing and strengthening the knee area and less so on his overall game.

It seems like he just focused his efforts on the wrong things in the off-season and now he's trying to catch up on all the things he neglected which is harming his game.

I think it's more the mental thing than anything else but if it's a wake-up call and he works himself out of it, he will and we will be better for it. If it becomes a chronic thing, better to know now than to invest another long term contract on him.
 
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eklund the clown said:
For all those who want to get of rid Dach maybe they forgot how good he was getting before the injury .He was argueably our best player at that time.Patience people.It takes time to come back from this type of injury
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He was impressive at the end of his last season, and for the 2 games before injury
 
Pomee said:
I hope these are just warming up slap shots, cause they look like everything with Kirby. Uninspired, lackadaisical weak ass shots, which will be no threat to any NHL goalie.
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To be fair if your trying to change the mechanics of something like taking a shot or your stride you do it by going slow and making sure you do the movement(s) correctly.
 
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NotProkofievian said:
Dach doesn't really have any weapons to rely on. I mean, what is he? Not a shooter, obviously. Is he a playmaker? I dunno about that either. He's "big" but frail and unable to use his size.

What would you say you do here, Kirby?
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Prior to injury, he was more of a playmaker than a shooter. The way he would protect the puck and create room for himself while scanning his options was very exciting to me in terms of what he could become.

It's looking like this whole season may well be a write off for Kirby. Hopefully he stays healthy because I think next year is looking like a make or break situation in Montreal for him in the context of being a core peice.

I wish it wouldn't come down to that but it is what it is.
 
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jfhabs said:
I see the same thing, he's hitting the puck on his back foot instead of the middle of his feet.
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In my mind it's the same thing as players missing great scoring opportunities around the net because they are falling away from the play.
Gallagher made a fantastic living because he was always smart enough to fall into the play.
 
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HuGort said:
He didn't play well against lowly Sabres. Looks like he is mailing it in.

I would try play him on 4th line. Against other teams weakest forwards and bottom pairing D
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Those that think he played well against the Sabres must have the bar really low. It’s hard for some to admit the guy stinks worse than Dvo.

Problem with playing against 4th, those guys are the type that go all out because that’s what needed to stay in the lineup. Kirby doesn’t do that.
 
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Anybody know a good way to find a history of nhl injuries? I've had to use the advanced search feature on Google but it's been disappointing. I don't know if I'll be able to do my idea of comparison of players who had similar injuries to Dach.
 
WeThreeKings said:
Touch some grass
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lol I touch a lot of ice instead ;)
Its not only his weight on the back foot, his knees are not bend enough, his lower hand is way to high on the stick for a slap shot and there is no follow through imho.
 
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jfhabs said:
I see the same thing, he's hitting the puck on his back foot instead of the middle of his feet.
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He could intentionally be practising a non-perfect situation since those are actually more common actual games.

If you only have a good shot under perfect conditions then you max out at A. Kostitsyn levels. The key to scoring a lot of goals is to get a good enough shot away even when the puck isn't perfectly in your wheelhouse.
 
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Le Barron de HF said:
Anybody know a good way to find a history of nhl injuries? I've had to use the advanced search feature on Google but it's been disappointing. I don't know if I'll be able to do my idea of comparison of players who had similar injuries to Dach.
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Since teams barely explain why players have surgeries these days, it will be hard to find that data publicly. You will have better luck reading research papers if you can find them/access them (example: Anterior Cruciate Ligament Injuries in the National Hockey League: Epidemiology and Performance Impact - PubMed , need to subscribe for the whole thing)
 
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