Player Discussion Kirby Dach: Welcome to Montreal part 2

[Rapala]

Gruesome : Adjective , causing repulsion or horror; grisly.

This is my problem with people making WAY too big a deal than it should be regarding his injury lol

It's a torn ACL, yes it's bad, all ligament tears are bad, this one is just 'worse' because of the lengthy period of time the new ligament gas to organically mesh with the bones (if they are using a ligament from a fresh cadaver , gross I know)

He's 23 not 33, and the injury has not been career threatening for 15 years now with the progresses of the surgery
Best of all, was already back on the ice in April
Full offseason program he normally does + the extra knee rehab
By next October He's back to 100% and then some

I get people being skeptical of people when it comes to 'major injury'
But the ACL tear affects way more NBA players and NFL players in the long run, the advantage of 'skating' helps us here
If he had SNAPPED his tibia in half or something I'd be waaaaay more cautious and worrisome obviously
But I just can't bring myself to be SUPER worried about an NHL ACL tear anymore
It's really just about 'length of time' we get impatient about

I honestly cant wait to see him back for training camp and see who the lucky guy is playing next to Dach and Newhook (should be Caufield)

I know one thing for sure. I'm going to be totally pissed in camp with all the extraneous bodies.
There are only a handful of kids who should be playing alongside the top Pros.
Two camps from the get go and tell the Laval camp the players who step it up will be the ones
to get any pre-season spots that need to be filled.
Want to be good out of the gate play the guys who need to gel with each other with each other FFS.
Maybe Suzuki's line wouldn't take three games to get in sync.

Damn what a concept.

 

[WeThreeKings]

I know one thing for sure. I'm going to be totally pissed in camp with all the extraneous bodies.
There are only a handful of kids who should be playing alongside the top Pros.
Two camps from the get go and tell the Laval camp the players who step it up will be the ones
to get any pre-season spots that need to be filled.
Want to be good out of the gate play the guys who need to gel with each other with each other FFS.
Maybe Suzuki's line wouldn't take three games to get in sync.

Damn what a concept.

I'm fairly certain they reduced the amount of games to 6. So I would say they took that seriously.

 

[Rapala]

I'm fairly certain they reduced the amount of games to 6. So I would say they took that seriously.

Damn I hope so. I wanted it last year for their second camp.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Damn I hope so. I wanted it last year for their second camp.

Yeah I checked they have the two rookie camp games and then 6 preseason games.

 

[Rapala]

Yeah I checked they have the two rookie camp games and then 6 preseason games.

I think I knew that I'm talking in terms of have Dach line up with BoBo's who will never play with us.
I find it's useless and a huge waste of time.
We've done it two camps in a row now and I was pissed last year because I thought they'd tweak their camp having had a full year's experience.
It's pretty easy to identify our best prospects and make sure they get the reps while keeping the wannabe's and tweeners apart.

 

[Rob Sense]

I think nervous posters with ZERO knowledge of medicine and ACL reconstruction should refrain from losing their sh*t on public forums. Dach is healed and is 100% good to go. Go back to your individual expertises and let science do its job....FFS!

 

[Rapala]

I think nervous posters with ZERO knowledge of medicine and ACL reconstruction should refrain from losing their sh*t on public forums. Dach is healed and is 100% good to go. Go back to your individual expertises and let science do its job....FFS!

I'm not sure who's nervous about performance but they have every right to be nervous about availability.
Someone mentioned Benoit Brunet who was an excellent player when healthy but was rarely healthy.
The saving Grace was Brunet was healthy for our last cup winning run.

 

[Rob Sense]

I'm not sure who's nervous about performance but they have every right to be nervous about availability.
Someone mentioned Benoit Brunet who was an excellent player when healthy but was rarely healthy.
The saving Grace was Brunet was healthy for our last cup winning run.

Sure bud...if Dach is sidelined with a STD then he is injury prone but it is not due to his knee!

 

[Tyson]

Sure bud...if Dach is sidelined with a STD then he is injury prone but it is not due to his knee!

Hasn't he had wrist issues too?

 

[Rapala]

Sure bud...if Dach is sidelined with a STD then he is injury prone but it is not due to his knee!

Let me know when you want to have a real discussion about real issues.

 

[Rapala]

Hasn't he had wrist issues too?

That and he missed a good chunk at the end of the 21/22 season with what I guess was a concussion.
The thing that bugs me is none of the injuries seemed to be caused by violent contact.

 

[Rob Sense]

Let me know when you want to have a real discussion about real issues.

OK...just not about medicine and injuries because you are out of your pay grade.

Hasn't he had wrist issues too?

Is that why he was sidelined last season? He could get an infected ingrown toenail in november...who knows. One thing is sure...his knee is healed so what is so complicated???

 

[Rapala]

OK...just not about medicine and injuries because you are out of your pay grade.

Yeah right. I'm talking about MAN f***ING GAMES LOST period.
It's historical mate and the history has to change.
I'm not saying anything more or anything less.

 

[Rob Sense]

Yeah right. I'm talking about MAN f***ING GAMES LOST period.
It's historical mate and the history has to change.
I'm not saying anything more or anything less.

sure his knee is not connected to his wrist and his wrist is not connected to his brain...etc. If he wrecks his shoulder in training camp then maybe he is injury prone but one is not related to the other. A wrist slash and a 230 pound guy pouncing on your knee while teetering on the boards are not connected! The knee is healed so lets stop worrying about its fragility. Maybe Dach is fragile but that is a whole other discussion.

 

[VirginiaMtlExpat]

I think nervous posters with ZERO knowledge of medicine and ACL reconstruction should refrain from losing their sh*t on public forums. Dach is healed and is 100% good to go. Go back to your individual expertises and let science do its job....FFS!

A lot of fatalism out there. These forums bring out that kind of agitation.

 

[Rapala]

sure his knee is not connected to his wrist and his wrist is not connected to his brain...etc. If he wrecks his shoulder in training camp then maybe he is injury prone but one is not related to the other. A wrist slash and a 230 pound guy pouncing on your knee while teetering on the boards are not connected! The knee is healed so lets stop worrying about its fragility. Maybe Dach is fragile but that is a whole other discussion.

You are missing the point entirely. Some players have had cursed careers when it comes to injuries.
Freak injuries if truth be told. I've watched his collisions at least twenty times each and I still come out scratching my head.
Out of 100 players with that same contact I'm in the single digit percentile of those who come out injured.

You don't get it too bad for you.
But don't try to tell me or anyone else for that matter what they should or shouldn't be concerned with about any player.
Particularly ones coming off injuries.
You aren't concerned great I hope you are right obviously.

 

[Tyson]

OK...just not about medicine and injuries because you are out of your pay grade.


Is that why he was sidelined last season? He could get an infected ingrown toenail in november...who knows. One thing is sure...his knee is healed so what is so complicated???

Have you ever heard the term "injury prone"???

You are missing the point entirely. Some players have had cursed careers when it comes to injuries.
Freak injuries if truth be told. I've watched his collisions at least twenty times each and I still come out scratching my head.
Out of 100 players with that same contact I'm in the single digit percentile of those who come out injured.

You don't get it too bad for you.
But don't try to tell me or anyone else for that matter what they should or shouldn't be concerned with about any player.
Particularly ones coming off injuries.
You aren't concerned great I hope you are right obviously.

You are speaking to someone way smarter than any of us...I am sure you know that.

 

[the]

I think a decent comparaison can be made with our very own Alexei Kovalev who had an ACL injury early in his career and still had a phenomenal career but every few years he had to do some sort of touch-up surgeries and would be sidelined for a few weeks. In 2010 he got injured again at 37 years old and he was never the same afterwards.

Kirby in his young NHL career has had a concussion, shoulder injury, wrist injury and now knee injury. I wouldn’t call an ACL injury fatal but it’s one additional injury we have to worry about that can linger on from time to time for the rest of his career.

Add in his previous injuries that can resurface also and I think it’s a fair reason to be worried. Hopefully he comes back healthier than ever and his string of bad injuries are behind him.

 

[TB12]

Any updates on Dach’s summer rehab/training? On his socials I just see his sponsor ship posts with Amex and what not

Been working his bag off back home in Edmonton/Fort Sask. He is ready to go and will have a great season for the Habs. Kid couldn't be more excited to get going.

edit: to add, he absolutely loves playing in Montreal. The fans, support, everything. Keep supporting him Habs fans. You got a good one there.

 

[KevSkillz4]

I really think the only good thing about all his injuries of his young career, will help him to be even more stronger.

The first good thing to me it's all his injuries, isn't in the same place.

Having the same injurie in the same place every time, that's ruin everything. But for Dach at this moment, we don't know if that's going to ruin anything because it's not in the same place like his before injuries.

This guy is such a good hockey player, he is more than a top 6 talent to me when he is healthy. He can easily be more than that, but damm, STAY HEALTHY!

 

[Habssince89]

I 100% trust the knee is healed. The concern (if any) should only be on his overall durability. Knee injuries are so different now in 2024, and Kirby's age makes me less worried. A full season and I think people will exhale.

 

[WeThreeKings]

One thing he said last summer was that he was working on injury prevention and things like that, so obviously this injury was a big blow to the kid.. but that also means he will continue to work on injury preventative items, which many people don't.

That's why I'm hopeful that this stuff will be behind him. Freak accidents just followed the guy around but you'd have to think he would stop being unlucky at some point. Keep in mind Markov was unlucky in a short period with two major knee injuries and then never had a major injury again and he suffered those later in his career and at a time when knee surgeries etc. aren't as advanced as they are now.

 

[Leto]

One thing he said last summer was that he was working on injury prevention and things like that, so obviously this injury was a big blow to the kid.. but that also means he will continue to work on injury preventative items, which many people don't.

That's why I'm hopeful that this stuff will be behind him. Freak accidents just followed the guy around but you'd have to think he would stop being unlucky at some point. Keep in mind Markov was unlucky in a short period with two major knee injuries and then never had a major injury again and he suffered those later in his career and at a time when knee surgeries etc. aren't as advanced as they are now.

As a side note, Adam Oates has been multiple times on the Jeff Marek Show this year. One thing he talked on the show relates to him training NHLers to remove bad habits in their game that usually lead to injuries. Among his clients, there is a guy named Nick Suzuki. I am curious if this is something Nick talked about with Kirby.​

 

[tazsub3]

Wouldn't be surprised if he struggles for a large portion of next year, from what I understand that knee injury was nasty

Not necessarily , torn acl need time to heal however the athlete tends to comeback with a stronger structural knee.
He got injured so early in the year so effectively he would have been out for 11-12 month thus will be more then ready to play as he always did

I think nervous posters with ZERO knowledge of medicine and ACL reconstruction should refrain from losing their sh*t on public forums. Dach is healed and is 100% good to go. Go back to your individual expertises and let science do its job....FFS!

Well I gave my opinion on it coming from one who tore his acl discussed it to death with doctors and specialist .
Though I am in the camp of « he will be 110pct » heck the knee will feel stronger!

 

[waitin425]

I think nervous posters with ZERO knowledge of medicine and ACL reconstruction should refrain from losing their sh*t on public forums. Dach is healed and is 100% good to go. Go back to your individual expertises and let science do its job....FFS!

Perfectly said......I am going to post this for the third time on this thread for those who want to dive into the science of this type of injury....

Performance and Return to Sport After Anterior Cruciate Ligament Reconstruction in National Hockey League Players

Anterior cruciate ligament (ACL) rupture is a significant injury in male National Hockey League (NHL) players.To determine (1) the return to sport (RTS) rate in the NHL following ACL reconstruction, (2) performance on RTS, and (3) the difference in RTS ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

If you don't want to read the whole study....you can just read the conclusion....

"Conclusion​

There is a high RTS rate in the NHL after ACL reconstruction. All players who RTS did so the season following surgery. Performance following ACL reconstruction was not significantly different from preinjury. Cases performed better than controls in several performance measures."