Player Discussion Kirby Dach: Welcome to Montreal part 2

[The Great Weal]

I'm more interested to see how he can perform after such a gruesome injury and a year of not playing. We saw what Caufield's shoulder did to him this past season.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I'm more interested to see how he can perform after such a gruesome injury and a year of not playing. We saw what Caufield's shoulder did to him this past season.

The good news is that it happened early last season. At least he’s had an entire year to heal.

 

[Tyson]

If Dach has another injury riddled season then you have to start writing him off as not a player you can count on. He has to play 70 games per season imo.

 

[417]

I'm more interested to see how he can perform after such a gruesome injury and a year of not playing. We saw what Caufield's shoulder did to him this past season.

Wouldn't be surprised if he struggles for a large portion of next year, from what I understand that knee injury was nasty

 

[Doc5]

Any updates on Dach’s summer rehab/training? On his socials I just see his sponsor ship posts with Amex and what not

 

[morhilane]

Any updates on Dach’s summer rehab/training? On his socials I just see his sponsor ship posts with Amex and what not

He was already back to skating solo before the season ended. He's back home for the off-season probably, few players post about that on social media.

 

[Le Barron de HF]

I hope they ease him into his role. Give him soft matchups to start with Roy and Armia as his wingers.

 

[Redux91]

I'm more interested to see how he can perform after such a gruesome injury and a year of not playing. We saw what Caufield's shoulder did to him this past season.

Gruesome : Adjective , causing repulsion or horror; grisly.

This is my problem with people making WAY too big a deal than it should be regarding his injury lol

It's a torn ACL, yes it's bad, all ligament tears are bad, this one is just 'worse' because of the lengthy period of time the new ligament gas to organically mesh with the bones (if they are using a ligament from a fresh cadaver , gross I know)

He's 23 not 33, and the injury has not been career threatening for 15 years now with the progresses of the surgery
Best of all, was already back on the ice in April
Full offseason program he normally does + the extra knee rehab
By next October He's back to 100% and then some

I get people being skeptical of people when it comes to 'major injury'
But the ACL tear affects way more NBA players and NFL players in the long run, the advantage of 'skating' helps us here
If he had SNAPPED his tibia in half or something I'd be waaaaay more cautious and worrisome obviously
But I just can't bring myself to be SUPER worried about an NHL ACL tear anymore
It's really just about 'length of time' we get impatient about

I honestly cant wait to see him back for training camp and see who the lucky guy is playing next to Dach and Newhook (should be Caufield)

 

[Canadienna]

Gruesome : Adjective , causing repulsion or horror; grisly.

This is my problem with people making WAY too big a deal than it should be regarding his injury lol

It's a torn ACL, yes it's bad, all ligament tears are bad, this one is just 'worse' because of the lengthy period of time the new ligament gas to organically mesh with the bones (if they are using a ligament from a fresh cadaver , gross I know)

He's 23 not 33, and the injury has not been career threatening for 15 years now with the progresses of the surgery
Best of all, was already back on the ice in April
Full offseason program he normally does + the extra knee rehab
By next October He's back to 100% and then some

I get people being skeptical of people when it comes to 'major injury'
But the ACL tear affects way more NBA players and NFL players in the long run, the advantage of 'skating' helps us here
If he had SNAPPED his tibia in half or something I'd be waaaaay more cautious and worrisome obviously
But I just can't bring myself to be SUPER worried about an NHL ACL tear anymore
It's really just about 'length of time' we get impatient about

I honestly cant wait to see him back for training camp and see who the lucky guy is playing next to Dach and Newhook (should be Caufield)

I get what you are saying, just to clarify though, it wasn't only an ACL tear it was a simultaneous ACL and MCL tear on the same knee.

 

[Redux91]

I get what you are saying, just to clarify though, it wasn't only an ACL tear it was a simultaneous ACL and MCL tear on the same knee.

No I get you, still the same difference
The real 'problem' is just the lengthy time period the ACL needs to naturally graft

Don't underestimate what the rehab does for these guys to help re-strengthen everything
It's not like he's 'learning how to walk again'

 

[vokiel]

If Dach has another injury riddled season then you have to start writing him off as not a player you can count on. He has to play 70 games per season imo.

I think you should be more worried about his level of play not being the same.

 

[Tyson]

I think you should be more worried about his level of play not being the same.

Fair point.

 

[KevSkillz4]

He is the key for a perfect rebuild.

With him healthy, Habs have their top 2 C with Suzuki and Dach. (Hage would become a winger, because I see Dach to be a perfect big two-way C with great protection of puck).

Slafkovsky - Suzuki - Demidov.
Hage - Dach - Caufield.
Newhook - Beck - Roy.

I think that's a really really good top 9 to be a contender team.

 

[The Real Timo]

I'm more interested to see how he can perform after such a gruesome injury and a year of not playing. We saw what Caufield's shoulder did to him this past season.

What? All I heard is that he has become a more complete player

Maybe same can happen to Dach

No I get you, still the same difference
The real 'problem' is just the lengthy time period the ACL needs to naturally graft

Don't underestimate what the rehab does for these guys to help re-strengthen everything
It's not like he's 'learning how to walk again'

We don’t really need him to walk. But he should learn how to skate again.

 

[The Real Timo]

Wouldn't be surprised if he struggles for a large portion of next year, from what I understand that knee injury was nasty

He can struggle in the regular season but come da playoffs he needs to bring it. We need moar bigger in da playoffs.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Gruesome : Adjective , causing repulsion or horror; grisly.

This is my problem with people making WAY too big a deal than it should be regarding his injury lol

It's a torn ACL, yes it's bad, all ligament tears are bad, this one is just 'worse' because of the lengthy period of time the new ligament gas to organically mesh with the bones (if they are using a ligament from a fresh cadaver , gross I know)

He's 23 not 33, and the injury has not been career threatening for 15 years now with the progresses of the surgery
Best of all, was already back on the ice in April
Full offseason program he normally does + the extra knee rehab
By next October He's back to 100% and then some

I get people being skeptical of people when it comes to 'major injury'
But the ACL tear affects way more NBA players and NFL players in the long run, the advantage of 'skating' helps us here
If he had SNAPPED his tibia in half or something I'd be waaaaay more cautious and worrisome obviously
But I just can't bring myself to be SUPER worried about an NHL ACL tear anymore
It's really just about 'length of time' we get impatient about

I honestly cant wait to see him back for training camp and see who the lucky guy is playing next to Dach and Newhook (should be Caufield)

I don’t know enough about this stuff to have an opinion, but this was positive to read.

I think the good thing here is that he didn’t hurt his wrist. That’s what we were all worried about. Yeah a fluke injury sucks but if you’re correct and this doesn’t linger then it’s all good.

Bottom line though: he’s missed a LOT of hockey over the years. He needs to have a healthy year.

 

[the valiant effort]

Dach will lead the league in scoring on Nov 1st. He won’t keep up that pace of course, but if he does stay healthy he will reach 85 points

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

If Dach has another injury riddled season then you have to start writing him off as not a player you can count on. He has to play 70 games per season imo.

That is unfair if it is an injury that is unrelated to past injuries. He has not had injuries that are in any way related to each other as of yet and is just the victim of really bad luck. If his repaired knee becomes a problem then yes, we have reason for concern. Other than that scenario or his wrist suddenly becoming a problem again you have to use reason with any other injury. If he gets slashed and breaks a finger or gets a puck in the face etc are not reasons to start tossing around the injury prone tag. This is how random luck works, the are always clusters that the layman attempts to apply significance to or invent agency where it does not exist.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

That is unfair if it is an injury that is unrelated to past injuries. He has not had injuries that are in any way related to each other as of yet and is just the victim of really bad luck. If his repaired knee becomes a problem then yes, we have reason for concern. Other than that scenario or his wrist suddenly becoming a problem again you have to use reason with any other injury. If he gets slashed and breaks a finger or gets a puck in the face etc are not reasons to start tossing around the injury prone tag. This is how random luck works, the are always clusters that the layman attempts to apply significance to or invent agency where it does not exist.

It may be unfair but at some point you have to make alternate plans. He’s already missed so much hockey.

We can keep him but if he’s hurt again you have to bring onboard another 2nd line center. We can’t go another year without one.

Hopefully this is moot. I’m hoping for a healthy season.

 

[BLONG7]

If Dach has another injury riddled season then you have to start writing him off as not a player you can count on. He has to play 70 games per season imo.

He has to stay healthy..............absolutely.

 

[Rob Sense]

Wouldn't be surprised if he struggles for a large portion of next year, from what I understand that knee injury was nasty

the knee is healed.

 

[Mrb1p]

I fully expect Dach-Roy to be just as good as Nick-Slaf.

Up to Newie/Armia or Cole to tip the scale.

 

[Tyson]

Gruesome : Adjective , causing repulsion or horror; grisly.

This is my problem with people making WAY too big a deal than it should be regarding his injury lol

It's a torn ACL, yes it's bad, all ligament tears are bad, this one is just 'worse' because of the lengthy period of time the new ligament gas to organically mesh with the bones (if they are using a ligament from a fresh cadaver , gross I know)

He's 23 not 33, and the injury has not been career threatening for 15 years now with the progresses of the surgery
Best of all, was already back on the ice in April
Full offseason program he normally does + the extra knee rehab
By next October He's back to 100% and then some

I get people being skeptical of people when it comes to 'major injury'
But the ACL tear affects way more NBA players and NFL players in the long run, the advantage of 'skating' helps us here
If he had SNAPPED his tibia in half or something I'd be waaaaay more cautious and worrisome obviously
But I just can't bring myself to be SUPER worried about an NHL ACL tear anymore
It's really just about 'length of time' we get impatient about

I honestly cant wait to see him back for training camp and see who the lucky guy is playing next to Dach and Newhook (should be Caufield)

Had Bobby Orr had today's medical technology his career would not have ended at 28. You are right, good post.

 

[417]

the knee is healed.

I understand but it might still take him sometime to feel comfortable…best case scenario he picks up where he left off but mentally it might take him awhile to feel like himself.

 

[HabzSauce]

I understand but it might still take him sometime to feel comfortable…best case scenario he picks up where he left off but mentally it might take him awhile to feel like himself.

I'm betting he'll figure it out pretty quick he's probably real hungry to start playing again