Player Discussion Kirby Dach: Welcome to Montreal part 2

[Quatre Vingt Treize]

Right now with his 3 assists so far tonight he’s up to 10 points in 12 games, that’s a 68 points per 82 games pace!

A fire hydrant could score 68 points Playing with Suzuki and Caufield. Look at Monahan when he was there?

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

A fire hydrant could score 68 points Playing with Suzuki and Caufield. Look at Monahan when he was there?

Then what does that make Anderson haha

 

[Quatre Vingt Treize]

Then what does that make Anderson haha

Doesn't say much for him does it?

 

[LaP]

Not necessarily - Habs have so many picks at their disposal and won’t use all of them, I can easily see HuGo deal a 3rd / 4th rounder in exchange for a specific skill set, assuming the teams in a playoff hunt at deadline.

That's not being a buyer though that's being Marc Bergevin. If you're not willing to spend a 1st round pick you're not really a buyer. Deals like Vanek and Petry you don't see them anymore. A good player able to help on a 2nd line or a good top 4 dman (what we would need) that's a first minimum in today's market but you'll probably have to send a good prospect like Rohrer as well as the first. I mean in a world where Chiarot cost a first and Kulak a 2nd you don't get help from 3rd round picks.

Then what does that make Anderson haha

A not very good offensive player. He's a 20 goals and 40 points guys who generate offense mostly off the rush. He doesn't possesee much creativity and for his size is not very good at cycling the puck tbh. We are quit far from Kunitz here.

 

[Legend123]

He was playing the same, he just wasn't playing with good players that's the difference.

Plus we're talking about his ability as a transition player here not him being an elite player in general yet.

not gonna lie, before being put on the top line, i barely noticed much from Dach. So calling him elite at anything is pretty strange.

 

[Rapala]

I think MSL just wants to put him in a position to succeed offensively and to gain confidence. By doing so it sets Dach up to go back to C and be a productive 2C.

Dach will NOT be going back to C anytime soon. We'd have to move Dvorak or Monahan for that to happen. Keep him as close to Suzuki as possible for as long as possible learning how to play the right way. We want him to develop into a good 2C and this is his best path IMO.

 

[BenchBrawl]

Holy f*** can you imagine if Kirby Dach fulfills his potential in Montreal? That would be a crazy boost for our rebuild.

Right now almost every youngster are exceeding expectations. The gods are finally coming back on our side after decades.

BTW, Kirby Dach reminds me of Joe Thornton the most, stylistically. Thornton shouldn't have been a center, he was too slow. Should have a been a cycling playmaking winger with size, and the Sharks would have done better in the playoffs in my humble opinion.

I have fate in Owen Beck to fill that #2C spot maybe as soon as next year. Beck with Slafkovsky, why not? Or whoever we pick in 2023.

Keep Dach with the duo of virtuosos. Build his confidence through the roof. Maybe in a couple of years with full confidence he goes back to C if needed, but it's not crucial.

 

[Father Roy Richards]

A fire hydrant could score 68 points Playing with Suzuki and Caufield. Look at Monahan when he was there?

He joined them when they were already on a hot streak but he has looked like a real contributor. Most of his assists have been primaries and he's making great reads. If there's one thing you can nitpick on the Suzuki/Caufield combo it's that it has struggled to control the flow of play at times with their tough matchups and Dach can help there hopefully, so he maybe a perfect fit.

 

[DemidovSZN]

A fire hydrant could score 68 points Playing with Suzuki and Caufield. Look at Monahan when he was there?

Monahan wasn’t even good with them, what do you mean ‘’look at monahan when he was there’’ the guy picked up 2 assists in the 4 games he played with them and he wasn’t helping them with anything.

but okay if you want to keep being blinded by whatever you decided in your head.

Crazy how monahan, anderson, hoffman weren’t able to make their line better or making the plays and passes dach is but i thought a fire hydrant could score with them?

 

[Legend123]

A fire hydrant could score 68 points Playing with Suzuki and Caufield. Look at Monahan when he was there?

Mony was terrible on that top line. Or I should say he really made the line ineffective due to his slow speed. With Dach its lightyears better

 

[Scriptor]

There is no doctrine but there is a simple question...will we buy or sell veteran assets at TDL? That basically tells you if you are going for it or rebuilding.

I have no doubt we are not buying veteran assets at the deadline, but we might not get anything for most of those we are trying to sell either. It's entirely possible we get nothing for Drouin, Byron and Dadonov.

If, by chance, Hughes decides to keep and re-sign Monahan, it could also logically be seen as part of the rebuild process to surround the younger players with a quality, youngish veteran that can provide talented depth for them to flourish.

IMO, Monahan os the one player on an expiring contract that has the potential to be worth something tangible (even if that remains to be confirmed by how healthy he remains and how his production level stays at).

Then, the most easily traded asset will likely be a pivot like Dvorak, depending on the injury situations across the league.

Anderson would easily be targeted as a playoff addition, but the remaining four yers could be a hindrance.

 

[Scriptor]

That's not being a buyer though that's being Marc Bergevin. If you're not willing to spend a 1st round pick you're not really a buyer. Deals like Vanek and Petry you don't see them anymore. A good player able to help on a 2nd line or a good top 4 dman (what we would need) that's a first minimum in today's market but you'll probably have to send a good prospect like Rohrer as well as the first. I mean in a world where Chiarot cost a first and Kulak a 2nd you don't get help from 3rd round picks.


A not very good offensive player. He's a 20 goals and 40 points guys who generate offense mostly off the rush. He doesn't possesee much creativity and for his size is not very good at cycling the puck tbh. We are quit far from Kunitz here.

Anderson on a heavy third line would still produce close to 20 goals off the rush and average nearly 40 points, IMO. In that role, the production level is value, especially come playoff time. A bit overpaid at 5.5M, but not the end of the world as long as he imposes himself physically when he doesn't score and still brings something to the team by wearing out opposing Ds for players that are producing that night.

Heineman - Monahan - Anderson could be an interesting third line. It brings net crashing and speed on both wings, with two higher end wrist shots that can score off the rush. Monahan can launch either missile on a counter attack after an opposing team's giveaway.

That's not being a buyer though that's being Marc Bergevin. If you're not willing to spend a 1st round pick you're not really a buyer. Deals like Vanek and Petry you don't see them anymore. A good player able to help on a 2nd line or a good top 4 dman (what we would need) that's a first minimum in today's market but you'll probably have to send a good prospect like Rohrer as well as the first. I mean in a world where Chiarot cost a first and Kulak a 2nd you don't get help from 3rd round picks.


A not very good offensive player. He's a 20 goals and 40 points guys who generate offense mostly off the rush. He doesn't possesee much creativity and for his size is not very good at cycling the puck tbh. We are quit far from Kunitz here.

BTW, a 20G, 40P guy is not a "not very good offensive player". It's not a star offensive player, but it can be valuable secondary scoring in the right chair.

 

[salbutera]

we won't be. we have glaring weaknesses and no cap space.

I was only highlighting the response provided by head of Habs hockey ops..

 

[salbutera]

so a 6 month retool where we drafted 1OA in a crap shoot year then we stretch to make the playoffs by selling off picks for rentals and miss out on perhaps the best draft year in a decade?? that will ensure that we stay mediocre for the next decade!

Ownership is comprised of a consortium of business people who only care about maximization of profits and give a rats ass about a “great draft”.

Gorton will be negatively impacting how he is viewed by his bosses, if the Habs are in the hunt for a playoff spot and instead of status quo or adding assets decides to “sell off” - it sends a message of my fantasy hockey league team building is more important than your businesses revenues coming out of 2-years of lo$$ due to pandemic

 

[Rob Sense]

I was only highlighting the response provided by head of Habs hockey ops..

Of course this is what he will say in front of cameras. what are his other options?? saying we are cooked this year??

Ownership is comprised of a consortium of business people who only care about maximization of profits and give a rats ass about a “great draft”.

Gorton will be negatively impacting how he is viewed by his bosses, if the Habs are in the hunt for a playoff spot and instead of status quo or adding assets decides to “sell off” - it sends a message of my fantasy hockey league team building is more important than your businesses revenues coming out of 2-years of lo$$ due to pandemic

I think ownership will give a rat's ass about getting a generational talent wearing the bleu-blanc-rouge for the next 2 decades...that will certainly contribute to maximizing profits!

 

[Twisted Sinister]

Ownership is comprised of a consortium of business people who only care about maximization of profits and give a rats ass about a “great draft”.

Gorton will be negatively impacting how he is viewed by his bosses, if the Habs are in the hunt for a playoff spot and instead of status quo or adding assets decides to “sell off” - it sends a message of my fantasy hockey league team building is more important than your businesses revenues coming out of 2-years of lo$$ due to pandemic

Wow, someone black pilled even more than me. Nice.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Holy f*** can you imagine if Kirby Dach fulfills his potential in Montreal? That would be a crazy boost for our rebuild.

Right now almost every youngster are exceeding expectations. The gods are finally coming back on our side after decades.

The gods aren't back on our side. What is happening is a change of culture and philosophies. The central tenent is development. After decades of being stuck in old values, beliefs and patterns, they finally decided to evolve. Bergevin was the embodiment of those old ways, so it's no surprise you'd deny reality and put everything on the "gods".

Ownership is comprised of a consortium of business people who only care about maximization of profits and give a rats ass about a “great draft”.

Gorton will be negatively impacting how he is viewed by his bosses, if the Habs are in the hunt for a playoff spot and instead of status quo or adding assets decides to “sell off” - it sends a message of my fantasy hockey league team building is more important than your businesses revenues coming out of 2-years of lo$$ due to pandemic

You were saying the very same thing before last offseason and you were wrong.

 

[salbutera]

Of course this is what he will say in front of cameras. what are his other options?? saying we are cooked this year??

Gorton had no problem saying it to NYR media..

 

[salbutera]

I think ownership will give a rat's ass about getting a generational talent wearing the bleu-blanc-rouge for the next 2 decades...that will certainly contribute to maximizing profits!

There very little profit margin growth & revenue increase to be had with Habs even if they were to become a dynasty team.

Ownerships greatest growth opportunity is via acquiring & growing non hockey related revenue (construction, concerts / events etc). In order to continue investing in non hockey related ventures, however, requires constant revenue stream (re: ca$h) to keep flowing from Habs.

 

[BenchBrawl]

The gods aren't back on our side. What is happening is a change of culture and philosophies. The central tenent is development. After decades of being stuck in old values, beliefs and patterns, they finally decided to evolve. Bergevin was the embodiment of those old ways, so it's no surprise you'd deny reality and put everything on the "gods".



You were saying the very same thing before last offseason and you were wrong.

Old values, beliefs and patterns are time-tested and allowed us to survive, as opposed to new and modern "reasoning" which sounds good but threatens to lead to catastrophe. Give me the gods over the new flavors of the month. The gods are powerful. Atheism is a short-lived fashion that cannot replace what the beliefs in gods have provided to our species. Atheistic societies have been the most murderous in recorded history (Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, Maoist China). That's what happens when humans think their reason trumps the deep logic of the divine.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Gorton had no problem saying it to NYR media..

And if he did that here, he'd be contradicting what his boss said a few years ago.

Their actions regarding tanking and roster turnover has been and will be a lot more telling than whatever they say to placate the many interests that revolve around the team. The end goal is more important than pleasing those obsessed with short term gain.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Old values, beliefs and patterns are time-tested and allowed us to survive, as opposed to new and modern "reasoning" which sounds good but threatens to lead to catastrophe. Give me the gods over the new flavors of the month. The gods are powerful. Atheism is a short-lived fashion that cannot replace what the beliefs in gods have provided to our species. Atheistic societies have been the most murderous in recorded history (Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, Maoist China). That's what happens when humans think their reason trumps the deep logic of the divine.

Nazi Germany was mostly catholic and was condoned by the pope at the time.

And you clearly haven't read the countless deaths and persecution caused by religious powers based on dogmas and their resulting wars.

Your entire appeal is a red herring. Violence is born out of bad developmental psycho-social environments and has nothing to do with Atheism vs Belief.

Also, I'm not an atheist per se. I'm agnostic which is an entirely different ball of wax and something you might want to look into.

Also, since you're clueless about the role of attachment relationships in the development of emotional self-regulation and how poor emotional self-regulation is the foundation of violent and abherent behaviors, may I suggest you read Allan N Schore's extensive work in bringing attachment theory to new heights of understanding. There are a few others, but his work is one of the most cited.

 

[LaP]

BTW, a 20G, 40P guy is not a "not very good offensive player". It's not a star offensive player, but it can be valuable secondary scoring in the right chair.

You must read not very good literally. As not followed by "very good" (the very is important and must not be ignored). He is a mediocre offensive top 6 player (again literally). He finished 199th in the league last year for points per games among forwards who played more than 40 games. That means on average teams had 6.2 players with a better points per games average than him. He would be a terrific 3rd line player if we had a real 2nd line.

 

[BenchBrawl]

Nazi Germany was mostly catholic and was condoned by the pope at the time.

And you clearly haven't read the countless deaths and persecution caused by religious secterian power and dogmas and their resulting wars.

Your entire appeal is a red herring. Violence is born out of bad developmental psycho-social environments and has nothing to do with Atheism vs Belief.

Also, I'm not an atheist per se. I'm agnostic which is an entirely different ball of wax and something you might want to look into.

Also, since you're clueless about the role of attachment relationships in the development of emotional self-regulation and how poor emotional self-regulation is the foundation of violent and abherent behaviors, may I suggest you read Allan N Schore's extensive work in bringing attachment theory to new heights of understanding. There are a few others, but his work is one of the most cited.

The point isn't to write a thesis but to highlight that old ideas and methods are more time-tested and very often more secure and valuable. Not always, but often, and the dangers of new methods is often hidden until it blows up the whole thing.

Sure, religious societies created wars. Wars always happen. But throughout history humans survived and communities believed in gods regardless of location and culture. That means there's hidden value in it, even if we can or can't explain it. Same for old methods that are ridiculed by modern hot shots.

I already red a large chunk of the Sapolsky book you suggested a few months back.

Still think Bergevin was a sublime maestro, and I still prefer old methods.

 

[Tetragrammaton]

A fire hydrant could score 68 points Playing with Suzuki and Caufield. Look at Monahan when he was there?

A fire hydrant can make passes? Kirby is the perfect compliment to that line.

Next year:

Dach - Suzuki - Caufield
Slafkovsky - Dubois - Anderson

Possibly Mesar with Slaf and Dubois..