Player Discussion Kirby Dach: Welcome to Montreal part 2

Lafleurs Guy

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Yeah it seems like MSL is coaching based on what he wished his coaches did for him when he was young and trying to establish himself in the NHL.

As for Dach I agree, keep him with Caufield & Suzuki long enough for him to believe he can be top player in the NHL.
For the past decade our coaches have done the same thing and gotten the same results. Over and over we’d see apologists say the player “needs to earn it” and the coach would continue to misuse them.

We finally have a guy who understands how things work. Dach has responded beautifully.

Now, does that mean it will last forever? Not necessarily… but at least we’re doing things differently now.
 

Scriptor

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Ok Ottawa is in last place and the Habs are in second to last. Either way Habs are pretty bad. And yes, to your point, they will obviously look to trade vets over the next 12 months.
I'm not sure that will make us worse. Which its do you think they will be trading? Losing Drouin, Hoffman and Dadonov will have zero negative impact on our future performance. In fact, it might even help the team's performance with more dynamic youngsters vying to make an impression now that they finally have a chance to do as much.

Maybe, if we get rid of Monahan and Dvorak at the trade deadline, we might see a negative impact because of the reduced depth up front.

Losing Edmundson or Wideman on the back end, as we've seen, won't cripple us by any means and shouldn't negatively affect the team. Not short to medium term, anyhow, but maybe a little long term as the kids perhaps hit a wall along the way.

On another note, I honestly don't think that Hughes will trade Anderson this season...
 

Scriptor

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i prefer we win the Stanley Cup but we have decided to go with rebuild hence the trades for high picks since Hughes took over. He did not trade for win now players! Do I need to explain this to you? this board is full of different variations on this take.
St_louis is still going with a do your best approach. Rebuilding never came with the doctrine, "don't do too much so we don't ruin our chances of picking in the top-3."
 

Rob Sense

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St_louis is still going with a do your best approach. Rebuilding never came with the doctrine, "don't do too much so we don't ruin our chances of picking in the top-3."
There is no doctrine but there is a simple question...will we buy or sell veteran assets at TDL? That basically tells you if you are going for it or rebuilding.
 
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On another note, I honestly don't think that Hughes will trade Anderson this season...
Anderson is still a big part of this team. Trading him would mean Slaf and Dach would have to really step up their games. Let Andy stay so the young guys can just play without added pressure.
 

HuGo Burner Acc

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Anderson is still a big part of this team. Trading him would mean Slaf and Dach would have to really step up their games. Let Andy stay so the young guys can just play without added pressure.
Trading Anderson's would be quite easily, especially as the GMs of this league overvalued the power forward stereotype. But it's probably more beneficial to keep him for the foreseeable future. But, one of him or Gallagher needs to be traded. And if it's Gallagher, expect a terrible trade for the habs so a team can absorb him contract
 

salbutera

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Dach isn't good enough to drive a line on his own, at least thus far in his career. What's the point of having him struggle at C and score no points. Just leave him on the top line and get his confidence up
??? Dach has been a dominant transition player his entire career, his one strength has been gaining Ozone possession - which actually correlates with being able to drive a line on his own. His high IQ is helping facilitate the lines performance presently.

Trading Anderson's would be quite easily, especially as the GMs of this league overvalued the power forward stereotype. But it's probably more beneficial to keep him for the foreseeable future. But, one of him or Gallagher needs to be traded. And if it's Gallagher, expect a terrible trade for the habs so a team can absorb him contract
Players on long term deals simply don’t get dealt in season.
 
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HuGo Burner Acc

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??? Dach has been a dominant transition player his entire career, his one strength has been gaining Ozone possession - which actually correlates with being able to drive a line on his own. His high IQ is helping facilitate the lines performance presently.


Players on long term deals simply don’t get dealt in season.
Yeah I meant in the summer, for both players. And I'd extend that to mid sized term contracts too
 

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A lot of us were sad about seeing Romanov go, others were angry about not drafting Nazar or whoever at 13th...we're just about 20% of the season in but so far I think it's safe to say this trade was a win for us even if Nazar turns out to be a good player.

He filled an immediate need (even though he's playing wing now) for a team desperate for offense and creativity up front. And that contract could end up being amazing going forward.
 

salbutera

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So they'll trade kids and picks to make the playoffs? Doesn't make any sense to me. That's what being a buyers at the deadline is. Nobody will trade vets for Hoffman and Dandonov at the deadline.
Not necessarily - Habs have so many picks at their disposal and won’t use all of them, I can easily see HuGo deal a 3rd / 4th rounder in exchange for a specific skill set, assuming the teams in a playoff hunt at deadline.
 

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I really like Dach on this line, he's really good defensively, a great playmaker (Suzuki is a great scorer too so this makes that line even more of a scoring threat), he's better than both at the transition and he's pretty good with his size at protecting the puck. He actually fits really well, and playing with skilled players with more ice time will likely help him gain confidence and improve.
 
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Legend123

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??? Dach has been a dominant transition player his entire career, his one strength has been gaining Ozone possession - which actually correlates with being able to drive a line on his own. His high IQ is helping facilitate the lines performance presently.


Players on long term deals simply don’t get dealt in season.
Very dominant he's never scored more than 30 points lol
 

SlafySZN

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From what I watched, he didn't seem élite when he was playing C
He was playing the same, he just wasn't playing with good players that's the difference.

Plus we're talking about his ability as a transition player here not him being an elite player in general yet.
 

Rob Sense

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Not necessarily - Habs have so many picks at their disposal and won’t use all of them, I can easily see HuGo deal a 3rd / 4th rounder in exchange for a specific skill set, assuming the teams in a playoff hunt at deadline.
so a 6 month retool where we drafted 1OA in a crap shoot year then we stretch to make the playoffs by selling off picks for rentals and miss out on perhaps the best draft year in a decade?? that will ensure that we stay mediocre for the next decade!
 

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